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| Woody14619 | Hello :) | 20:01 |
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| ivgalvez | hi | 20:02 |
| ivgalvez | how do you feel? | 20:02 |
| Woody14619 | Doing much better... The flu is gone, but still have a nasty cough from the bronchitis. | 20:03 |
| Woody14619 | Soo... Do we want to wait a bit for Rob/Niel? | 20:04 |
| ivgalvez | how was Sandy in your surroundings? | 20:05 |
| ivgalvez | yes, let's wait a few minutes | 20:05 |
| Pali | do you know what happen with maemo.org in 2013? Will nokia turn off servers? Or is there transfer to community? | 20:06 |
| Woody14619 | Not super bad... I live upstate, so nowhere near the center of it. We did get some nasty rain/wind though, so flooding and lots of trees knocked over, usually onto power lines. | 20:06 |
| ivgalvez | Hi Pali | 20:06 |
| Pali | hi :-) | 20:07 |
| Woody14619 | Pali: That is still being worked on, AFAIK. Council/Board have a meeting setup for that very soon, right ivgalvez? | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | Yes, we are trying to get new sponsor for hosting | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | however I'm not so confident that migration could be done smoothly | 20:07 |
| ivgalvez | we might need to replicate infrastructure if we don't receive proper support from Nemein | 20:08 |
| Woody14619 | ivgalvez: My work, on the other hand, does aerial photography, including imaging of disaster areas for surveying and the like. So, right now we're stupidly busy trying to re-shoot lots of those areas hit hard for our customers. | 20:09 |
| Woody14619 | Much easier for them to do an assesment in an office, based on images, instead of doing them all on location. Especially in cases where it's obvious (eg. house is simply gone, or clearly smahed by a tree, etc) | 20:10 |
| Woody14619 | I am hopefull once Board is in place things will fall into line much easier than it is right now though. | 20:11 |
| ivgalvez | hopefully | 20:12 |
| Woody14619 | Well, shall we begin? | 20:12 |
| ivgalvez | ok | 20:12 |
| Woody14619 | #start Maemo Council meeting. | 20:12 |
| Woody14619 | Agenda: | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | 1. CC awards, follow-up. | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | 2. Bylaws wrap up. | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | 3. Council election | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | 4. Board setup & such. | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | 5. Misc | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 1: CC Awards | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | Have we pinged the Nokia rep for a status on this yet? | 20:13 |
| ivgalvez | Devices are being received | 20:13 |
| ivgalvez | no problems up to now | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | Oh?! Great news. | 20:13 |
| Woody14619 | Awesome... so that's pretty much wrapped up then. | 20:14 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 2: Bylaws | 20:14 |
| Woody14619 | The bylaws are rather complete... Rev 7 may go to a Rev 8 with a few minor issues (including STV as formal method for votes, etc) | 20:14 |
| ivgalvez | I understand that we should fix the mention to IRC about meetings | 20:15 |
| ivgalvez | as it seems to be impossible due to legal reasons | 20:15 |
| Woody14619 | Someone is (again) trying to stir things up, but I think most people are on board. | 20:15 |
| Woody14619 | Yes and no... | 20:15 |
| Woody14619 | There are several other NFP groups that have such verbiage in their bylaws | 20:16 |
| Woody14619 | And while it may be non-effective right now, if there's a presiding judgement in a case allowing it (as there has been in several other states, including NY) then it would allow us to use that after such rulling is done. | 20:16 |
| ivgalvez | OK | 20:17 |
| Woody14619 | I see little harm in leaving it in... But the lawyer review will probably be the final say. | 20:17 |
| ivgalvez | Also to ask Rob: do the Bylaws need to be approved during first Board meeting? | 20:17 |
| Woody14619 | (But as Rob proposed putting it in there as a catch-all, I'm susspecting it will ride) | 20:17 |
| Woody14619 | I'm quite certain that's the case... He's said as much several times. | 20:17 |
| Woody14619 | And it makes sense, when you think about it. You have a new Board, they have to have rules to follow. | 20:18 |
| Woody14619 | If the didn't they could just postpone that indefinitly and not follow any rules until they felt like it... it would be chaos. | 20:18 |
| ivgalvez | OK then, if version 7 is approved how will the next updates get into it? again in a Board meeting I guess | 20:19 |
| Woody14619 | Whatever version is approved, any changes after that will have to be done by the ammendment process listed in the bylaws. | 20:19 |
| ivgalvez | yep, OK | 20:20 |
| Woody14619 | That's why it's one of the first things that was put in. :) | 20:20 |
| ivgalvez | so next point, which is kinda problematic... | 20:20 |
| Woody14619 | (that first verions was by majority rule of just the Board, as it was boiler-plate from a standard bylaws template...) | 20:20 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 3: Council elections | 20:20 |
| Woody14619 | From input I've gotten, historic prescident is that for 5 standing candidates, the rule is appointment of all 5. | 20:21 |
| Woody14619 | The wording in the election rules is pretty clear... | 20:22 |
| Woody14619 | And since this is for Maemo Council, and not Foundation Council (yet), it seems those would be the rules to follow. :P | 20:22 |
| ivgalvez | OK then | 20:23 |
| Woody14619 | I'm not super-fond of it myself, but at the same time, I don't see a huge issue either. | 20:23 |
| ivgalvez | Maybe next Council could iron this clear glitch in election rules | 20:23 |
| Woody14619 | I think all those involved will be reasonable and resposible Council. | 20:23 |
| Woody14619 | Well... Yes.. and frankly, the next Council will likely be a Foundation Council, not a Maemo Council. | 20:24 |
| Woody14619 | I'd prefer to see the Maemo rules changed as well, just to be safe. Perhapse I can write up a referendum and push the next Council to pass that. Assuming they want to hear from me. ;) | 20:24 |
| ivgalvez | sure I want | 20:25 |
| Woody14619 | As for timing, it would appear that the next Council will take effect at latest by the end of what would have been the election period. | 20:26 |
| Woody14619 | I was somewhat hopefull that those involved would be here this week to say hello and what not, but.. :( | 20:26 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 4: Board setup | 20:27 |
| Woody14619 | We have a date, and it sounds like we're using Skype, yes? | 20:27 |
| ivgalvez | both Skype and GTalk are ok to me | 20:28 |
| Woody14619 | If that's the case, we should have at least one party record the meeting for legal purposes. (And I think the bylaws call for minutes, if not transcripts, be made available somewhere.) | 20:28 |
| ivgalvez | however, I haven't used any of them with multiple callers | 20:29 |
| Woody14619 | I'm good with either as well. Skype has the added advantage of being able to use out N900 or N9 (and thus tools like call recorder). | 20:29 |
| ivgalvez | I hope it runs | 20:29 |
| Woody14619 | I used skype once in a 3-way call, but I was a leaf party. If I get a chance I'll look into it. I'm sure it's possible. GTalk may be preferable, just in that it also allows us to use other G services. | 20:30 |
| Woody14619 | Like transfering documents around, etc. | 20:30 |
| Woody14619 | That's an e-mail follow up thing. (Which I've not read yet today...) | 20:30 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 5: Misc | 20:30 |
| Woody14619 | Anything else we haven't covered? | 20:31 |
| ivgalvez | well the situation with infrastructure is worriying | 20:32 |
| ivgalvez | Nemein and Nokia are not very comunicative at this moment | 20:32 |
| Woody14619 | I agree... But I think both will come around when they have a legal entity to talk to. | 20:33 |
| Woody14619 | Talking to a user group vs talking to another company is very different for them. | 20:34 |
| ivgalvez | I hope so | 20:34 |
| ivgalvez | I now for sure from companies that don't dtalk to other ones that are not interesting to them | 20:34 |
| Woody14619 | Well, we'll see very soon either way. I think Nokia will be very willing to setup something. And once they do, Nemien will be able to talk to us as a potential employer vs as a customer. | 20:36 |
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| Woody14619 | hey! :) | 20:38 |
| Woody14619 | Hello future Council member. :) | 20:38 |
| ivgalvez | welcome | 20:38 |
| Woody14619 | So... we're at misc. :) | 20:40 |
| qwazix | Hello, sorry for being late | 20:40 |
| qwazix | reading the log right now | 20:41 |
| Woody14619 | qwazix: no problem. I've been late to a couple my self in the past 6 months. ;) | 20:41 |
| Woody14619 | Anything else Ivan? I know you usually have to head off around this time. :( | 20:42 |
| qwazix | I was looking at past logs and saw that it started at 21:00 EET but due to daylight savings... | 20:42 |
| ivgalvez | its's usually at 18:00 UTC | 20:42 |
| qwazix | Which is 20:00 EET winter time. Ok. Next week I'll be prompt. | 20:43 |
| Woody14619 | We don't change times here until the 4th... | 20:43 |
| Woody14619 | so right now I'm still -4. Next week will be -5. | 20:43 |
| qwazix | I'm +2 as of this week | 20:44 |
| Woody14619 | Lol... Got to love wild random time changes. :P | 20:44 |
| Woody14619 | As if we're all still farmers... | 20:45 |
| ivgalvez | yes, offices are always with lights on... where's the saving | 20:45 |
| Woody14619 | That's one of the reasons everything Maemo related is listed in UTC, as that doesn't ever shift. | 20:46 |
| Woody14619 | In the US we switch initials in the zone (EDT/EST, etc), but even major time-dependant things almost always use EST, even during EDT. :P | 20:47 |
| qwazix | That makes it even more confusing | 20:48 |
| Woody14619 | Anyway.. so... anything else Council related? | 20:48 |
| ivgalvez | nothing from my side I think | 20:48 |
| qwazix | Do we have anything like a seperation of council/board responsibilities? | 20:49 |
| Woody14619 | Just as a note, I fully intend that at next weeks meeting I'll likely officiate, as the new Council will not have a Chair yet, but will hand most of the floor over to the new Council. | 20:49 |
| ivgalvez | thanks Woody | 20:49 |
| qwazix | Also is there a formal intercommunication method? Somebody on tmo proposed that one member of each body attends the other's meetings, sounds a good idea | 20:50 |
| ivgalvez | qwazix: we need to work on that, Council should deal with day to day issues and act as interface for the community | 20:50 |
| Woody14619 | Tons qwazix. Right now we're still in a mix, since old Council is mainly incorporators (pre-Board). But once that changes, there will be a clear divide between the two... | 20:50 |
| Woody14619 | It would seem that Ivan could fill that position, being on both bodies. He'd make the best go-between I think. :) Though I do think long-term there should be a semi-official position for that (like Secretary, etc) | 20:51 |
| qwazix | Sounds good | 20:51 |
| qwazix | We should also discuss the obsoleted parts of maemo.org some time | 20:52 |
| Woody14619 | As I said in my TMO post, even if that (and historical reference) are the only things Ivan has time to provide to the Council, that in itself is a huge benefit. | 20:52 |
| qwazix | which to keep, which to ditch | 20:52 |
| ivgalvez | I will try | 20:52 |
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| ivgalvez | qwazix, right now my concern is to save as much as possible | 20:52 |
| Woody14619 | Agreed. But I think some of that will iron itself out based on what Nokia/Nemien can/will transfer and provide. | 20:53 |
| qwazix | I was browsing m.o. today and half of it is abandoned, or new content requires moderation from probably MIA nokia people. | 20:53 |
| Woody14619 | I think we should shoot for keeping everything, and then par it down into what's needed. | 20:54 |
| Woody14619 | Also, at some point I need to transfer the FB admin stuff to someone on Board? | 20:54 |
| ivgalvez | yes | 20:54 |
| ivgalvez | but at some point we need to create an administrators group | 20:55 |
| ivgalvez | not necessarily people on Board/Council | 20:55 |
| Woody14619 | I've done like 2 small moderation fixes to it (spam removal), but otherwise, it's pretty static at this point. | 20:55 |
| qwazix | FB? | 20:55 |
| Woody14619 | I'm willing/happy to continue to do that, as I generally hit FB several times a week. (Facebook) | 20:55 |
| qwazix | ah, | 20:56 |
| Woody14619 | Maemo.org has an official FB page... setup by Nokia. I currently am the only active admin, as the rest of the admins are all tied to now abandoned Nokia accounts. | 20:56 |
| Woody14619 | Nothing to write home about... About 8K followers. | 20:57 |
| qwazix | link please | 20:57 |
| ivgalvez | we should put a link in maeo.org | 20:57 |
| ivgalvez | maemo.org | 20:57 |
| Woody14619 | https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maemo/7855690587 | 20:57 |
| ivgalvez | there is also a maemo group in LinkedIn | 20:57 |
| qwazix | thanks | 20:57 |
| qwazix | Do we have admin rights for blogs in planet? | 20:58 |
| Woody14619 | I don't think we do... though Nemien probably does. I think the control the feed for that at least. | 20:58 |
| qwazix | That fb page could use some nice artwork :) I'll see what I can do | 20:58 |
| ivgalvez | great :D | 20:58 |
| Woody14619 | lol :) Just don't turn it into a myspace page. ;) :D | 20:59 |
| Woody14619 | K, I need to move on. Got tons of work to do. Thanks to all and will see you all next week. :) | 21:01 |
| qwazix | No, no, I'm all for subtle artwork | 21:01 |
| qwazix | Bye, have a nice weekend | 21:01 |
| ivgalvez | ok bye | 21:02 |
| Woody14619 | Same. If you need me, ping me.. I'll be here a bit, just not watching. | 21:02 |
| Woody14619 | Oh, and... | 21:02 |
| Woody14619 | #end Maemo Council meeting. | 21:02 |
| Woody14619 | :) | 21:02 |
| ivgalvez | good for you | 21:02 |
| ivgalvez | :) | 21:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i missed :( | 21:46 |
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