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| Woody14619 | hello :) | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | o/ | 21:02 |
| Woody14619 | Just wrapping up a project here.. should wait for SD69 anyway. :) | 21:03 |
| ivgalvez | hi all | 21:03 |
| ivgalvez | Stskeeps, good to see you | 21:03 |
| Woody14619 | K... well, hopefully SD69 will join us soon? How long do you have Ivgalvez? | 21:07 |
| ivgalvez | as usual :( | 21:08 |
| Woody14619 | (I bet he's reading e-mail... my bad.) | 21:08 |
| ivgalvez | it's been a crazy week | 21:08 |
| ivgalvez | at work | 21:08 |
| ivgalvez | well the NFP is moving finally | 21:09 |
| Woody14619 | Same here... work is crazy and social is nuts too with summer stuff winding down & winter stuff starting up. | 21:09 |
| Woody14619 | Yup. :) Well, lets start things up... and hopefully SD (and maybe NielDK?) will fall in as we do. | 21:09 |
| Woody14619 | #start Maemo Council Meeting | 21:10 |
| ivgalvez | This weekend I plan to test and vote for applications in CC :-) | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | Agenda: | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | 1> Elections and whatnot | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | 2> Bylaws updates | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | 3> Legal status and paperwork | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | 4> CSSU, testing, other back-burner items | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | 5> Misc/other | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | I already started... :) | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | (testing & voting that is) | 21:10 |
| ivgalvez | OK, let's go | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 1: Elecitons | 21:10 |
| Woody14619 | CC is underway! Yay! | 21:11 |
| Woody14619 | Sorry about the mixup on the banner stuff. | 21:11 |
| ivgalvez | your contribution to actual voting system has been decisive Woody14619 | 21:11 |
| ivgalvez | many thanks for that | 21:11 |
| Woody14619 | It wasn't clear who was doing it, so I made one. :) Thanks to qwazix(sp?) for his new banner. | 21:11 |
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| Woody14619 | And thanks to Reggie for promply putting stuff into place. | 21:12 |
| SD69 | hello sorry I'm late | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | Hi SD69, we just started.... | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | we're on topic 1... | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | Agenda: | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | 1> Elections and whatnot | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | 2> Bylaws updates | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | 3> Legal status and paperwork | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | 4> CSSU, testing, other back-burner items | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | 5> Misc/other | 21:12 |
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| Woody14619 | So, it looks liek the multi-vote per token system works well. | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | No issues or complaints yet. | 21:13 |
| ivgalvez | Woody14619, maybe you could start a thread under Community about Voting System, first of all, to inform about latest updates and provide a contact point for further development of the tool | 21:13 |
| Woody14619 | And the votes seem to be valid when I checked mine. | 21:13 |
| ivgalvez | it's like a community project by itself | 21:13 |
| Woody14619 | I would sooner create/update the wiki pages for it. :) | 21:13 |
| ivgalvez | great | 21:13 |
| Woody14619 | And may do that in the near future. | 21:13 |
| Woody14619 | Nominations are open... | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | only seen Tim's self nomination up to now | 21:14 |
| Woody14619 | And we have two nominees for Board already. | 21:14 |
| Woody14619 | TexRat also self-nominated. | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | he's running for Board but not for Council, isn't he | 21:14 |
| Woody14619 | Yup. So far none for Council. | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | I haven't seen him at ML | 21:15 |
| Woody14619 | But we have another week, and frankly, I'm not sure most people knew it even started. Hopefully the banner will fix that. | 21:15 |
| ivgalvez | yes | 21:15 |
| Woody14619 | His mail got held for moderation... which reminds me, I need to chat w/ X-Fade about that. Apparently the ML are no longer being checked. | 21:15 |
| ivgalvez | that's another item for the transition | 21:16 |
| Woody14619 | I may volunteer to do that, if I can get the privs to do so. | 21:16 |
| Woody14619 | since it's mainly manual spam-filtering. | 21:16 |
| Woody14619 | So, encorage people to run! (that all you people here, and people reading post-fact at home) | 21:17 |
| ivgalvez | all the lists or only the community one? | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | All.... My comment to Gregor in the devel list never made it either. | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | And that was like 2 weeks ago. | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | So, that's moving.... lets hope for the best. :) | 21:18 |
| ivgalvez | we should provide privs for moderating lists to Council and then, we should look for volunteers for the different lists | 21:18 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 2: bylaw updates | 21:18 |
| Woody14619 | I made some changes and mailed the out based on TMO feedback. | 21:19 |
| Woody14619 | If we could review those I'd like to post that revised version over the weekend, as a final draft. | 21:19 |
| Woody14619 | (Blog post, ML, etc). | 21:20 |
| Woody14619 | If you can review them (and SD69, add the new block you mentioned?) and mail them about, that would be great. | 21:20 |
| ivgalvez | OK, let's do it by mail | 21:20 |
| SD69 | I will | 21:20 |
| Woody14619 | They really look pretty good, after lots of work. | 21:20 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 3: Legal staus and paperwork. | 21:21 |
| SD69 | Your editting/formatting improved them a lot. Thanks. | 21:21 |
| Woody14619 | I've gotten the tax-id number from SD69, and will be looking at banks more this weekend. | 21:21 |
| SD69 | Hildon Foundation exists. | 21:21 |
| Woody14619 | woot! | 21:21 |
| SD69 | Yay! | 21:21 |
| ivgalvez | We are online !! | 21:21 |
| ivgalvez | congratulations | 21:22 |
| Woody14619 | I won't be doing anything without approval of the rest of you, but I should have a solid list of options soon. | 21:22 |
| SD69 | I think we need a donation policy | 21:22 |
| ivgalvez | we can use Mer's | 21:22 |
| Woody14619 | So, hopefully by mid-next-week we will have a foundation w/ bank account. | 21:22 |
| ivgalvez | Stskeeps, are you there? | 21:23 |
| SD69 | Should we put an announcement up on a new website? | 21:23 |
| Woody14619 | As I understand it, WE can't do anything legally binding until the Board is formed, as it must approve all actions we've taken, yes? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm? just take our donation policy if you want | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's cc sa | 21:24 |
| ivgalvez | any advice? | 21:24 |
| Woody14619 | :) | 21:24 |
| ivgalvez | Yes donations whould be first item on Board's agenda | 21:24 |
| SD69 | We can do contracts and sign them, but the Board has to ratify any contracts at the first meeting | 21:24 |
| Woody14619 | Ok. Make sense. I'm sure the Board will be happy to have a foundation and a bank account setup, and will approve it if for no other reason than not needing to do it themselves. ;) | 21:25 |
| Woody14619 | Just want to say a huge thanks to all of you for the work and effort put into this. | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | We went from damn near 0 to formed in just under a few months. | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | Even with distractions and vacations.... | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | Which leads us to topic 4.... | 21:27 |
| Woody14619 | Topic 4: Stuff we dropped or put on the back burner | 21:27 |
| Woody14619 | We have a lot of stuff we each would still like to accomplish, I'm sure. | 21:27 |
| ivgalvez | I have a point here I want to bring back to the table: Administration | 21:28 |
| ivgalvez | we have only achieved to get voting machine working | 21:28 |
| Woody14619 | Agreed... We have a lot more to do in that handoff. | 21:28 |
| ivgalvez | We will need to get administration privileges over maemo.org webpage, it's getting outdated | 21:29 |
| ivgalvez | we will need to put new information there | 21:29 |
| Woody14619 | I think a lot of this will be easier when there's a legal entity involved, and once Nokia hands over the keys, as it were. | 21:29 |
| ivgalvez | and News section is not working correct lately | 21:29 |
| SD69 | I think it's hard when we have to go through Nemein | 21:29 |
| ivgalvez | I won't even speak avout repositories.... | 21:29 |
| Woody14619 | I don't think Nemein is really the bad guy here, to be honest.... | 21:30 |
| ivgalvez | s/avout/about/ | 21:30 |
| Woody14619 | They're doing a CYA manuver... which legally, I understand. | 21:30 |
| SD69 | Nemein may be stuck in the middle - not an enviable position | 21:30 |
| ivgalvez | it's a bunch of inefficiencies | 21:30 |
| Woody14619 | And with less financial income from Nokia.... spending time on it isn't priority. | 21:30 |
| Woody14619 | Once Nokia gives the foundation the rights, it legally gives Nemian the ability to give us privs without being open to liability. | 21:31 |
| ivgalvez | now we have the NFP | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | we have to talk to Nokia about transfering maemo.org domain | 21:32 |
| Woody14619 | A lot of X-Fades time has been, AFAIK, used to consolidate things so that just that can happen. | 21:32 |
| Woody14619 | Agreed. | 21:32 |
| Woody14619 | We should setup a time with our contacts there and work on getting that as our task. | 21:33 |
| ivgalvez | we should also ask them about availability of flash images | 21:33 |
| ivgalvez | we should be able to redistribute them | 21:33 |
| Woody14619 | I think most of that (flash images, closed source components, etc) will all fall easily into a single NDA agreement. | 21:33 |
| ivgalvez | yes, something we can finally sign :-) | 21:34 |
| Woody14619 | Probably the same boiler plate they used when contracting Nemien to do services for them. | 21:34 |
| Woody14619 | So nothing new will need to be created.... | 21:34 |
| ivgalvez | OK, that's something I can work in, during this weekend | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | But good point ivgalvez, we need to keep on this track as well. | 21:35 |
| ivgalvez | and we also need to approach again Reggie | 21:35 |
| ivgalvez | about TMO future | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | So, next steps, cleary, are getting the rights from Nokia needed for server running. | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | Getting a bank account and policy for donations, etc. | 21:35 |
| Woody14619 | Finalizing the bylaws and making those ready for the first Board meeting. | 21:36 |
| Woody14619 | And yes, chatting with Reggie and seeing about the TMO movement status again. I think that will be best done after we have Maemo.org in pocket from Nokia though. | 21:37 |
| Woody14619 | As having that will layway a large number of his concerns. | 21:37 |
| SD69 | With the elections, I think we have to post about the status of the infrastructure, whatever the status may be | 21:37 |
| Woody14619 | (I also would like to try to pursuade him into running for Board, as I think that would help him and the Board in many ways.) | 21:38 |
| ivgalvez | Woody14619: excellent idea | 21:38 |
| Woody14619 | sd69: In what way? to what end? I'm not following you. | 21:38 |
| SD69 | The email thread with reggie is not public | 21:38 |
| Woody14619 | True, but it's been discussed in open meeting a couple times now. And the implication has been made in posting on TMO that all is not fluid and oiled. | 21:39 |
| SD69 | I also wonder if general membership knows the state of admin privileges | 21:39 |
| Woody14619 | Plus, I'd rather not swat at the behive while asking the queen for some honey.... | 21:40 |
| SD69 | I'd rather not swat, but the candidates don't know either | 21:40 |
| SD69 | I wouldn't want to nominate myself and then find out after the fact that there is a problem with the forum | 21:41 |
| SD69 | the forum should be out in the open during the election process | 21:41 |
| Woody14619 | True, but in that reguard we don't know either. Reggie hasn't come down one way or the other... I do see your point though. | 21:41 |
| ivgalvez | I hope we should be able to solve it, I'm more confident with that than with other pending issues | 21:42 |
| Woody14619 | And I think those running (so far) already understand the situation. It may be important to let new Board prospectives know this though. | 21:42 |
| SD69 | ivgalvez: will we solve it before the nomination period closes? | 21:42 |
| Woody14619 | One way or another, it will be solved. I think even the minimal offer (domain redirection and a read-only archive) is enough to let things continue. | 21:43 |
| ivgalvez | Not so sure about that :-( | 21:43 |
| SD69 | OK. I defer to the two of you. | 21:43 |
| Woody14619 | I think we need to talk about this more... | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | and think about it.... | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | probably over e-mail. | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | so, are there other Foundation paths we need to discuss. | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | (additional next steps for that, besides Nokia, bank account, and TMO?) | 21:45 |
| SD69 | domain name; "coming soon" landing page? | 21:45 |
| Woody14619 | As I recall you have the domain name, yes? Is it actually pointing to hosting agent? | 21:45 |
| Woody14619 | If so, can you create a simple coming soon page? | 21:45 |
| SD69 | Niel has hildonfoundation.org; I have maemocommunity.org | 21:46 |
| ivgalvez | I hope we could simply redirect to maemo.org | 21:46 |
| ivgalvez | and get maemo.org from Nokia | 21:46 |
| Woody14619 | long term, yes. :) But short term.... | 21:46 |
| Woody14619 | We should gift those both to the foundation ,yes sd69? | 21:47 |
| ivgalvez | ATM, we are still sitting at maemo.org | 21:47 |
| Woody14619 | Then ownership isn't an issue. | 21:47 |
| SD69 | yes, I will gift mine. | 21:47 |
| ivgalvez | great | 21:47 |
| ivgalvez | OK guys, need to go | 21:47 |
| SD69 | and prepare a form for Niel to sign for his | 21:47 |
| Woody14619 | And I think that's the desire, ivgalvez. | 21:47 |
| ivgalvez | see you | 21:48 |
| SD69 | I have to go too | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | k, :( was hoping for input on topic 4, but.. ;) | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | K. We'll handle the rest via mail. | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | I can stay a bit for questions from others. :) | 21:48 |
| Woody14619 | Thanks for attending! | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | yes, I have something to send you | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | bye | 21:48 |
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| Woody14619 | Anyone else in channel have input? Concerns? Questions? :) | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | The skipped topic (4) was to be about things we've put on hold, btw. | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | Like promoting CSSU on Maemo's Facebook page... | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | Testing/Promoting things Ivan has worked on but that got stalled as more time was taken for Foundation stuff. | 21:50 |
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| Woody14619 | OBS work that's been stalled because we frankly have not had the time or resources to work on it... | 21:50 |
| Woody14619 | etc. | 21:50 |
| Woody14619 | We will discuss this in e-mail, and probably form a task list to make sure it's not lost in hopes some/all of it crosses into the next Council. | 21:51 |
| Pali | is OBS planned in future? | 21:51 |
| Pali | or we stay on autobuilder? | 21:52 |
| Woody14619 | We are hopefull that once we get the infrastructure keys, part of that could open the option for more to work on OBS. | 21:52 |
| Woody14619 | I don't see autobuilder going away any time soon. But at the same time the maintainace on that is a bit of a bear. | 21:53 |
| Woody14619 | It will, I think, depend more on who volunteers to work on what. | 21:53 |
| Woody14619 | If there are volunteers to work on fixing/maintaining autobuilder, it may be viable to keep it alive. But OBS opens doors for easier cross-compile (less cpu use), compatability, and stadardization with other platforms. | 21:54 |
| Woody14619 | All of which will be critical as Maemo ages and if/when other platforms take off. (For example, where Jolla or Samsung to put out a viable MeeGo based device.) | 21:56 |
| Woody14619 | Right now, we're about keeping as many doors open as we can, since it's not at all clear where things will be in 3 months, yet alone 6 or 12. | 21:57 |
| kerio | can we get gcc 4.7.2-linaro in the autobuilder? | 21:58 |
| Woody14619 | I think that will again depend more on volunteers when the infrastructure opens a bit more. | 21:58 |
| Woody14619 | Which I hope to see happen once the new Board takes control and gets moving. | 21:59 |
| Woody14619 | So, not something I can answer definitivly in any case. | 22:00 |
| Woody14619 | Any other questions? Concerns? Comments? :) | 22:00 |
| Woody14619 | If not, I'll conclude the meeting... | 22:01 |
| Woody14619 | #end Maemo Council Meeting | 22:01 |
| Woody14619 | Thanks all... As always, if you have questions of comments, feel free to mail the Council at Maemo.org, or visit the Ask Council thread in the forums. | 22:02 |
| Woody14619 | (Or drop one of us a line here on IRC. I'm on often, but may be away often as well.) | 22:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | hey guys | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | did i miss everything? | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wanted to ask something nd forgot what | 22:51 |
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