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| mairas | hi folks | 18:01 |
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| SD69_ | hello | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | hi | 18:02 |
| SD69_ | anyone else here? | 18:04 |
| SD69_ | well let's start | 18:05 |
| SD69_ | matti: anything new from Nokia re maemo/meego? | 18:05 |
| mairas | SD69_, nope, no change in anything. | 18:06 |
| SD69_ | sorry to hear about Pyside btw | 18:07 |
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| mairas | SD69_, yeah, it sucks, but again, since the whole organization is being shut down, such things are to be expected. | 18:07 |
| * Jaffa waves | 18:08 | |
| mairas | but I'm much more optimistic now than at the time the announcement was made. | 18:08 |
| mairas | if I'd need to bet on it, I'd bet that the project will live on quite nicely. | 18:08 |
| SD69_ | matti: good to hear | 18:08 |
| SD69_ | maemo.org has election this month | 18:09 |
| SD69_ | I hope this isn't too blunt, but does Nokia care much what happens with maemo.org community? | 18:10 |
| SD69_ | or is it off the radar screen at this point? | 18:11 |
| mairas | SD69_, sure, we're funding maemo.org a lot longer than the internal meego team! | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | SD69_: Has anyone volunteered to do the stuff dneary's previously documented in future (e.g. for the Coding Competition voting; which seems to be using maemo.org/vote/?!) | 18:11 |
| mairas | so that should put things in perspective... | 18:11 |
| SD69_ | Jaffa: not yet | 18:11 |
| SD69_ | matti: funding is appreciated | 18:12 |
| SD69_ | no matter what the future of maemo.org | 18:14 |
| SD69_ | at this point, are there any specific positions funded for 2012 - bugmaster, wikimaster, etc. or is it general support? | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | As said before, there is only 'keep things running' support. | 18:16 |
| SD69_ | X-Fade: Does that include keeping all parts, including bugzilla, running? | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | SD69_: Sure, look at it as infrastructure support. | 18:17 |
| SD69_ | And can we use bugzilla for Cordia project? | 18:18 |
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| mairas | sorry, was AFK. but it's just like X-Fade described. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | SD69_: Why not? I suggest you ping andre about that. | 18:20 |
| SD69_ | X-Fade: Sure. It's hard to know who's still around these days ;-) | 18:22 |
| SD69_ | we need a replacement for dave Neary on the election stuff | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Yes, that is clear. | 18:23 |
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| SD69_ | asked for community volunteers, but no one has stepped up yet | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | Part of the problem is the number of systems which need to be directly queried. | 18:25 |
| SD69_ | yes. zehjotkah is having difficulty on the coding competition vote | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Including TMO account details from Reggie (which he's previously been wary of) | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Running a vote and running an election are slightly different things, of course (unless the vote has the same rules as the election ;-)) | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | Yes, it is a multi step process. Which is a significant amount of work. | 18:27 |
| SD69_ | Jaffa: yes, well attila apparently suggested it because of the transferable vote thing | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | You also don't want to publish your complete user database, so we need to make sure we don't leak those details. | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | I still think that for the app contest the voting system is just not suitable. | 18:28 |
| X-Fade | Having 9 separate votes at the same time, sending out a few K emails.. | 18:28 |
| SD69_ | we definitely need vote for council election | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | oh, yes. Not denying that :) | 18:31 |
| SD69_ | coding competition has 1000+ euros for prize money | 18:31 |
| SD69_ | not an "official" maemo.org activity, but no one wants to see it end with criticism | 18:32 |
| SD69_ | I'm surprised the voting delay thus far hasn't already brought compalints from contributors or competitors | 18:33 |
| SD69_ | *complaints | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | If no one steps up, I will make sure the election stuff gets done. | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | But I don't have time to dive into the contest votin. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Why can't the talk poll mechanism used there? | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | *be | 18:35 |
| SD69_ | apparently there was some fraud or suspected fraud in voting | 18:36 |
| SD69_ | and they want the transferable vote | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Well, then there is a problem :) | 18:36 |
| SD69_ | I hate to do it, but should we set a deadline on coding contest using maemo.org vote so it doesn't interfere with council vote? | 18:37 |
| SD69_ | I mean if they get it done today and vote for one week, no problem | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | I really don't have time to spend an additional day on the council vote. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | And that is the amount of time needed for this voting stuff. | 18:38 |
| SD69_ | Can you expand on the technical knowledge needed of a volunteer election supervisor? | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | SD69_: Problem is that the voting software is basically a hacky script. | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | It does not have management interfaces, you literally need to extract accounts from 2 databases, create some entries with sql statements etc etc. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | You also have the problem that there are 2 user databases, so you need to combine and de-dupe the list of accounts. | 18:42 |
| SD69_ | X-Fade: If we get a volunteer, we'll send them to you so you can show them the ropes this time and they can do it next time | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | SD69_: But that is the problem, you don't want to give access to the databases. | 18:46 |
| SD69_ | Not even a trusted community member? | 18:46 |
| X-Fade | That is why I still point at polls. Works through the web just fine, and we can check for cheating quite easily? | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | And takes 5 minutes to setup. | 18:47 |
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| SD69_ | I am talking council election, which rules were already set up | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | As said, I will do the council election. | 18:49 |
| SD69_ | X-Fade: Thanks. | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | Anything else we should discuss? | 18:51 |
| SD69_ | Any significant change in the stats on data from the repositories? | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | SD69_: Is the wording of the referndum finalised? | 18:52 |
| SD69_ | Jaffa: Yes | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | The downloads are in a downwards trend, but only slightly. | 18:53 |
| SD69_ | Will N9 have same effect as N900? | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Who knows. :) | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | We will see soon enough. | 18:54 |
| SD69_ | I haven't kept up - when is the N9 release date(s)? | 18:54 |
| SD69_ | approximately | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | All depends on the markets, but coming weeks apparently. | 18:55 |
| SD69_ | Does anyone else have anything else before we sign off? | 18:56 |
| mairas | nope :-) | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | Not from me. | 18:57 |
| SD69_ | thanks for attending matti | 18:57 |
| mairas | no problem | 18:57 |
| SD69_ | thanks X-Fade | 18:58 |
| SD69_ | I guess that's it - bye everyone | 18:59 |
| mairas | bye! | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | SD69_: Ok, talk to you later. | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | Bye. | 18:59 |
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