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| RevdKathy | Ah this looks like the right place, then | 19:11 |
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| timsamoff | Hi Kathy. This may be a repeat of yesterday if things don't look up. | 19:11 |
| RevdKathy | Ok. Sorry I'm late - work again | 19:11 |
| timsamoff | No worries. | 19:11 |
| timsamoff | We may have to communicate via email at this point, though... Others don't seem to be able to attend. | 19:12 |
| timsamoff | I'll stick around her for a while, though... Maybe everyone thought 1800? | 19:13 |
| RevdKathy | I'll hang here - no problem. If you want me, @ me, and Meego kindly demands my attention | 19:13 |
| RevdKathy | Meanwhile, I shall go and read the days email, and twitter and gloat over a pay-slip with 2 months travel reimbursement. | 19:14 |
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| timsamoff | Cool. Thanks. | 19:14 |
| Andy80 | sorry :P | 19:14 |
| timsamoff | Hi Andrea... Just waiting for others now. | 19:14 |
| RevdKathy | No probs - Jaffa isn't here yet | 19:14 |
| timsamoff | Nor is Atilla. | 19:16 |
| Andy80 | I can wait, no prob | 19:16 |
| * Andy80 propose again to use a shared Google Calendar to sign events with SMS/email notifications available :P | 19:20 | |
| timsamoff | ;) | 19:21 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: I already mentioned this to Kathy, but... We may just have to take care of some of our business via email this time. | 19:24 |
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| timsamoff | Hi VDVsx! | 19:28 |
| VDVsx | hello timsamoff, back in the US ? | 19:30 |
| timsamoff | Yes. Back on Saturday... Back at work now. :( | 19:30 |
| timsamoff | But, we have a holiday tomorrow! | 19:30 |
| timsamoff | Are you back at home now? | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | yup, I returned on Thursday morning | 19:32 |
| RevdKathy | Oh yeah - I vote we meet tomorrow evening US time. :p | 19:32 |
| RevdKathy | Loved your photos online, BTW | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | very snowy here :D | 19:32 |
| timsamoff | VDVsx: Ah, ok. | 19:32 |
| timsamoff | Wow. | 19:32 |
| timsamoff | We have snow in the mountains, but none ever reaches where we live (well, rarely). | 19:33 |
| timsamoff | We used to get dumped on regularly where we moved from this summer. | 19:33 |
| timsamoff | Thanks, RevdKathy... Lets just meet via email this time, though. | 19:33 |
| timsamoff | Oh, well. | 19:33 |
| RevdKathy | LOL - I have a mean streak! But I suspect email may be the way to go | 19:34 |
| RevdKathy | At least we managed a face to face meeting! | 19:34 |
| timsamoff | Yes, true. And, maybe email will be better this time anyway. | 19:35 |
| VDVsx | I think is not very common to have so much snow in the south of the country at this time, perhaps will be a good winter :D | 19:36 |
| timsamoff | My son really misses snow. We will have to drive him up to the mountains. But, for Christmas we are going back to Kansas City where there should be a lot of snow. We'll see. | 19:37 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: where snow? in Finland or in Portugal? | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | Sorry - forgot it was changed to today. | 19:43 |
| Jaffa | Still brown sticky smelly stuff flying through the air | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, Finland ofc | 19:43 |
| * Jaffa should talk to someone about a job ;-) | 19:43 | |
| timsamoff | No worries, Jaffa. | 19:43 |
| RevdKathy | Hello Jaffa | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, there's snow also in Portugal, but in the mountains :D | 19:43 |
| timsamoff | I haven't heard from Atilla, but we have 4/5 here. | 19:43 |
| timsamoff | ow much time does everyone have at this point? | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: I think it's normal! We'll have snow in few days here in Italy too... in the mountains ofc ;) | 19:44 |
| * Andy80 wtf N900!!! | 19:44 | |
| Andy80 | :( | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | my N900 cannot register my SIM anymore :( | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | same SIM on Nokia N73 works.... and using another SIM on N900 works too.... so what's the problem? | 19:45 |
| RevdKathy | I am here for as long as necessary. Got some chores to do but not in any rush to do them! | 19:45 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: You're sure it's in the lame SIM slot correctly? | 19:46 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: what you mean? If I've inserted it correctly? | 19:46 |
| timsamoff | Well, you know how the N900's SIM slot is... One slight angle off and it might not work. | 19:47 |
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| Andy80 | timsamoff: it worked until 1 hour ago :S | 19:47 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: I've tried with my father's SIM and it works.... I've put my SIM back again and it doesn't work (but my SIM on my father's phone works) | 19:48 |
| timsamoff | Arg. Hmmm... Very strange! | 19:48 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: So, assuming you _can't_ interact then? Or, do you have a few moments? | 19:48 |
| RevdKathy | The n900 is very fussy - try cleaning the sim on your jumper... | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: I can read | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | I can say four lines. | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | I've used 3 now ;-) | 19:51 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. Right. But, I'm thinking you have some items of interest. Or, maybe I'm wrong. But, anyway... | 19:51 |
| timsamoff | So, lets 4 of us start now and we'll see where it leads... | 19:51 |
| timsamoff | We have Jaffa (silent), RevdKathy, Andy80, and timsamoff... | 19:52 |
| RevdKathy | Ok - I'm here. | 19:52 |
| RevdKathy | Just pruning my amazon wishlist before Christmas but I'm here | 19:52 |
| * Andy80 here figthing with N900 :( | 19:52 | |
| timsamoff | Why don't we start by allowing RevdKathy and Andy80 to lend some agenda items if applicable... Or, just say "nothing to add" so that I know I can begin. | 19:52 |
| Andy80 | I've nothing to add for the moment... | 19:53 |
| RevdKathy | You begin - I'm still mostly watching | 19:53 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 19:53 |
| timsamoff | The main thing that Jaffa and I came away with from the Conference (Council-wise) was the idea to move all maemo.org-related "tasks" to Bugzilla. To do this, there would need to be a triage process similar to that of current maemo bugs in which Council members could assign priority to certain items and assign them to certain people to accomplish. | 19:55 |
| timsamoff | To aid in this process, we'd need to solicit help from Maemo Community members, e.g.: | 19:55 |
| timsamoff | Moving all Brainstorm items to Bugzilla. | 19:56 |
| timsamoff | These would then be assessed by the Council in terms of importance, difficulty, etc. | 19:56 |
| Andy80 | how do we assign tasks? | 19:57 |
| timsamoff | Of course, the main question in all of this is getting m.o *masters to sign off on the process, but I'm pretty sure all concerned have told us to "just make a decision." | 19:57 |
| Andy80 | people just pick one or we assign them? | 19:57 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Well, as part of our job, we would assess the skillset/area needed to accomplish the task and assign to one of the *masters. But, in terms of things that could use Community help, we would then ask for help and hope someone assigns themselves (although, we could assist in prompting people to do this based on who lodges the bug, etc.). | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: ok | 19:59 |
| timsamoff | So, in terms of initial "sign-off," it would be good to know that the entire Council agrees with a decision made by two of us. ;) | 19:59 |
| * Jaffa nods | 20:00 | |
| timsamoff | Andy80 and RevdKathy: Are you in agreement? | 20:01 |
| RevdKathy | I think so, yes. In principle. I think we need to ask the community generally. The new Bugzilla should help | 20:02 |
| * Andy80 still trying to understand what do I have to agree to... | 20:02 | |
| Andy80 | I agree with your idea of using bugzilla.... what else? | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Currently, there isn't a formal process for improving the Maemo Community infrastructure. We had the Brainstorm, but it's no longer in use. We used to do Sprints, but we haven't in a while. So, we need a formal process for keeping our community going, bug free, etc. | 20:03 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: That the process is going to be drafted by timsamoff and me | 20:04 |
| * timsamoff agrees. | 20:04 | |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Not to be flippant, but since we speak for the Community (they did vote us in to do so), I think "asking the community" may hinder in overall efficiency of the process. (And, honestly, I don't know how many people will care.) But, after the idea is drafted, we can submit it to the community for review. | 20:04 |
| RevdKathy | That's what I meant - there's not a lot of point or use in us saying "This is how we're going to do it so there" | 20:05 |
| timsamoff | As an aside, RevdKathy: Are you familiar with how Brainstorm used to work? | 20:05 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: ok, I agree | 20:05 |
| timsamoff | Cool. | 20:05 |
| timsamoff | So, over the next couple of weeks, we will come up with a process for achieving these ends... | 20:06 |
| RevdKathy | If the community then say "No, we're not playing" then we're nowhere. | 20:06 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Sure. I don't think that will happen, though. But, we will put it past them. | 20:06 |
| RevdKathy | Not sure I understood how brainstorm ran the community stuff. I followed the sprints. | 20:07 |
| timsamoff | Ok. Good enough. I might have to pull Texrat in to help with part of this process. | 20:07 |
| RevdKathy | This is a way of people telling us when something needs doing, and us working out who's going to do it and on what timescale | 20:07 |
| Andy80 | I don't think the community will have something against this process... | 20:08 |
| RevdKathy | I have had reservations about how user friendly Bugzilla is, but the new software for that should help | 20:08 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa had emailed mentioning the use EtherPad for constructing this process... I'm wondering, though, why the wiki wouldn't be sufficient? (Don't know if Jaffa can respond to this, so we could consider it via email.) | 20:08 |
| RevdKathy | timsamoff: no, I don't think it will happen, either. But I'd still run it past people. | 20:08 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Yes. Ok. | 20:09 |
| Andy80 | maybe we shoul try to use something like "Trac" ? it's more task-oriented and can be integrated with bugzilla... | 20:09 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Could be a good idea, but I don't know how many people would want "yet another" application to learn/use. | 20:10 |
| timsamoff | Lets first come up with a process for what we have and then see if it needs more support. But, in any case, I don't know if there's budget for installing/maintaining more software unless a community member does it. | 20:11 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: well... trac is quite easy to learn :) we have to manage power users, developers ecc... I don't think it will be a problem for them | 20:11 |
| * RevdKathy has reservations about asking people to learn more new processes | 20:11 | |
| timsamoff | Andy80: True, but it's just one more thing, so... Lets keep it in the back of our minds for now. | 20:12 |
| RevdKathy | Power users and devs will be fine. But not everyone is among that group | 20:12 |
| Andy80 | ok ok | 20:12 |
| * RevdKathy makes note to self to check-out the latest Bugilla incarnation | 20:13 | |
| timsamoff | Ok, so like I said, we will construct this new idea's minutiae over the next couple of weeks or so; then run it past the Council; then run it past the Community; then tell the *masters what the plan is. | 20:13 |
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| RevdKathy | That sounds like a good way to proceed. | 20:13 |
| timsamoff | Another point of interest: Atilla had mentioned some ideas he had for inspiring people to test applications (too bad he's not here). But, this makes me think of something we should all be spearheading -- which are our areas of interest. | 20:14 |
| timsamoff | I've offered to begin a process of tracking progress within the Community SSU. I have yet to do anything, but I will soon. | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: Depends if we put aside time to do it together | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: Otherwise, batting a draft around on the wiki is fine | 20:15 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Right. Didn't think of that. | 20:15 |
| timsamoff | I'm game for co-writing in real-time, so maybe lets try that first! | 20:15 |
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| timsamoff | achipa! :) | 20:15 |
| RevdKathy | Hiya achipa! | 20:15 |
| achipa | just realized you postponed for today | 20:15 |
| timsamoff | No worries! | 20:16 |
| timsamoff | I was just talking about you. ;) | 20:16 |
| achipa | nothing (overly) nasty, I hope :) | 20:16 |
| timsamoff | Hehe. | 20:16 |
| timsamoff | Our current item is spearheading our own areas of interest. Do you (achipa) want to speak about methods of inspiring people to test applications? Maybe we can have a few minutes of Brainstorming. | 20:17 |
| achipa | sure | 20:17 |
| achipa | 1. offer free beer to testers or other favorite beverage | 20:18 |
| achipa | but, to keep the topic serious: | 20:18 |
| timsamoff | I'm in! | 20:18 |
| timsamoff | :p | 20:18 |
| achipa | the biggest hindrance is the difficulty of the process and that most people don't care | 20:18 |
| RevdKathy | There are two barriers: barrier to testing is that some people don't want to risk their main device with potentially unstable apps | 20:19 |
| achipa | RevdKathy: did you by any chance follow the kisstester thread ? | 20:19 |
| RevdKathy | Barrier to voting is that once people have installed from extras, they don't bother to go back | 20:19 |
| RevdKathy | No, I didn't - where was it? | 20:19 |
| achipa | tmo | 20:20 |
| achipa | but in short | 20:20 |
| achipa | the idea is that you would get a notification if you have installed an app N days ago and it is still in testing | 20:20 |
| RevdKathy | forum? | 20:20 |
| achipa | a friendly nudge, in other words | 20:20 |
| achipa | yes, talk.maemo.org | 20:20 |
| RevdKathy | Texrat was looking at doing something like that in terms of 'user engagement interface' | 20:21 |
| RevdKathy | I think that would be a great idea. | 20:21 |
| Andy80 | RevdKathy: fir that reason I proposed (MONTHS AGO) a way to integrate Application Manager with something to give FEEDBACK, but I'm pretty sure they won't do anything neither for harmattan.... | 20:21 |
| RevdKathy | I suspect a LOT of people d/l and walk away | 20:21 |
| timsamoff | achipa: what are the current plans for kisstester, though? Do you have time/energy to continue development? | 20:21 |
| achipa | RevdKathy: most do, but we just need a few of those who forgot to give feedback | 20:22 |
| achipa | so not the 'dontcare, just wanna moar apps' users, I don't we can do anything about those | 20:22 |
| RevdKathy | I think it's a brilliant idea. You will still get people like me who are very wary what we install (but give feedback if we do test) | 20:22 |
| achipa | but the 'oh, I didn't know this needed testing feedback because I don't regularly check whether something comes from testing and if it's still there' | 20:22 |
| RevdKathy | and those at the other end you so perfectly describe | 20:23 |
| RevdKathy | Randall was aiming for this on Meego: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=123 | 20:23 |
| Andy80 | achipa: I talked also about that point MONTHS AGO :P | 20:23 |
| RevdKathy | Yes, there's a body of people in the middle who can be targeted for getting feedback | 20:24 |
| timsamoff | I have a process question, actually: | 20:24 |
| Andy80 | achipa: I proposed a way to identify applications: green for stable, yellow for testing and red for devel | 20:24 |
| Andy80 | anyone did listen? not :P | 20:24 |
| achipa | Andy80: we all did. but this is about doing - nobody wants to touch the application with a 10 foot pole anymore, so in that sense talk is cheap :) | 20:24 |
| RevdKathy | Could the system send a 'nudge' 7 days after you d/l from testing? | 20:24 |
| timsamoff | Would it be possible to remove the web-based testing process altogether (not in terms of actually "removing it," but in terms of pointing everyone to kisstester as the main means of testing). | 20:24 |
| RevdKathy | Or can you d/l without being logged in? (in which case it wouldn't know who you were) | 20:24 |
| achipa | RevdKathy: yes, that is the idea, you would get something akin to the yellow upgrade box | 20:25 |
| RevdKathy | I think that would be brilliant - and you'd know you were going to get that if you d/led from testing | 20:25 |
| achipa | Andy80: application = hildon application manager | 20:26 |
| Andy80 | achipa: do we have source code of it? | 20:26 |
| achipa | Andy80: the point is - you cannot replace it (without genuine hacking), it would have to go through a PR and all the Nokia machiner, and you don't want that | 20:27 |
| achipa | Andy80: and the code is not pretty, believe me :S | 20:28 |
| Andy80 | mmm.... | 20:28 |
| Andy80 | it's strange... as far as I know.. only one person coded it :P | 20:28 |
| achipa | in the sense it just wasn't designed for this amount of packages and type of operation | 20:28 |
| timsamoff | But, ok... My previous question. Leave it as a separate app (kisstester). And, do some major PR around it as the only method for testing. | 20:29 |
| achipa | so no 'easy wins' there | 20:29 |
| Andy80 | ok | 20:29 |
| achipa | offer free t-shirts, beer, mugs, stickers | 20:29 |
| RevdKathy | If we had a budget for that, it would be an incentive | 20:29 |
| timsamoff | Budget is a sticky area. | 20:30 |
| RevdKathy | Though generating our own beer may be going too far | 20:30 |
| achipa | okay, no beer, I think quim said that a reasonable budget could be made available | 20:30 |
| timsamoff | We should probably talk to Tero about how to go about setting up an infrastructure like that. | 20:30 |
| timsamoff | Ah, ok. So, Quim knows. | 20:30 |
| achipa | yeah, there was a thread on the council mails about that a while back :) | 20:31 |
| timsamoff | It would be easy to setup a private eShop with all of the merchandise... | 20:31 |
| timsamoff | Then, we (Council) could purchase/send items to people directly from the shop./ | 20:31 |
| achipa | technically, if we manage to convert just 0.1% of downloads into votes via kisstester, it's all dandy | 20:31 |
| RevdKathy | As long as we have control of the logo, an e-shop would be easy | 20:31 |
| timsamoff | Yeah, sure... CafePress and other sites let the user do all customization. | 20:32 |
| timsamoff | But, it can be much more expensive than buying in bulk. | 20:32 |
| timsamoff | So, the budget is crucial. And, we need to know how much. | 20:32 |
| timsamoff | achipa: does kisstester track user stats? Or, how would we know who gets what? | 20:33 |
| achipa | I recall quim saying 'ask for something reasonable'. A shirt or mug would IMHO definitely reasonable | 20:33 |
| achipa | timsamoff: kisstester activity shows up as karma just as regular votes/comments | 20:33 |
| timsamoff | Oh, ok! | 20:33 |
| RevdKathy | so your voting can be counted | 20:33 |
| achipa | plus comments can be seen on the tester list (waiting for Niels to fix that) | 20:34 |
| timsamoff | Budget: still we need to know if we have $20/year or $100/year or $500/year, etc. ;) | 20:34 |
| timsamoff | Anyway... I like the idea. | 20:34 |
| RevdKathy | It's a surprisingly useful incentive | 20:34 |
| timsamoff | We need to get kisstester completely up-to-speed first. Then promote it like crazy... | 20:34 |
| achipa | okay, so, I'll put that on my agenda, I'll talk to Quim and Tero about what we can get and in what form | 20:35 |
| timsamoff | Market the prizes, etc. | 20:35 |
| Andy80 | where can I find more info about this "kisstester" ? | 20:35 |
| RevdKathy | Does cafe-press do a logo-earing bear? | 20:35 |
| timsamoff | (Possibly...) :p | 20:35 |
| RevdKathy | I couldn't find the thread on it | 20:36 |
| achipa | maybe throw in an invitation or two to the meego dev summit in Finland next year... | 20:36 |
| Andy80 | RevdKathy: yes they have! | 20:36 |
| achipa | Andy80: RevdKathy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60158 | 20:36 |
| RevdKathy | :D | 20:36 |
| Andy80 | RevdKathy: I bought one few years ago :) | 20:36 |
| Andy80 | (for a girl.... ;) ) | 20:36 |
| achipa | it *does* show up on the first page when you google, y'know :P | 20:36 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: http://www.cafepress.com/+teddy_bears | 20:36 |
| timsamoff | Great. Thanks, achipa. Please keep us updated. | 20:37 |
| RevdKathy | I did - and got nothing. Google couldn't find it! | 20:37 |
| * RevdKathy wants a Maemo bear | 20:37 | |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: How about your areas (especially community management at this point)... Is there anything you've noticed that needs support? | 20:38 |
| achipa | RevdKathy: test and you'll get a http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6c9_oGeNyqw-OhIeFsN9egFWNdPbXQLWeEWk-iRjfgYbE1ypJ | 20:38 |
| timsamoff | (We should have a limited addition RevdKathy Maemo Bear.) | 20:39 |
| timsamoff | *edition | 20:39 |
| RevdKathy | Not particularly. T.mo. is pretty calm these days, apart from the inevitable anxiety about what will happen as Meegoi takes over | 20:39 |
| RevdKathy | I could make limited edition bears... | 20:39 |
| timsamoff | I've been "commissioned" (short of being paid for it) to write a Council-esque review of the conference... Is there anything you could provide as far as Maemo community impressions are concerned? | 20:39 |
| RevdKathy | I think a blog or thread reassuring people that maemo.org isn't going to vanish when the Nokia MeeGo device is released would be good | 20:40 |
| RevdKathy | And some reflections of what role we thing maemo.org will play at that point | 20:40 |
| timsamoff | Ok. Maybe you could email that to me (and even elaborate if you have time) so I won't forget. | 20:41 |
| timsamoff | Actually, how about anyone else... Is there anything you'd like to see in a Council blog post about the conference? | 20:42 |
| RevdKathy | Otherwise, things like the Kiss-tester will help people be/become more easily engaged | 20:42 |
| RevdKathy | Did anyone get a photo of us in that little soundproofed room? | 20:42 |
| timsamoff | Ah, man... That would be great. | 20:43 |
| achipa | I *think* I have a photo | 20:43 |
| timsamoff | But, achipa wouldn't be in it. :( | 20:43 |
| timsamoff | We should have had Tero take one! | 20:43 |
| achipa | a small price to pay :) | 20:43 |
| RevdKathy | I think I was impressed/pleased/reassured that MeeGo made room for a few non-devs. Up till now MeeGo has felt totally dev (and mostly pro) orientated | 20:43 |
| timsamoff | achipa: If you find it, can you send it to me? | 20:44 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Yeah, definitely. | 20:44 |
| RevdKathy | From a Maemo point of view, one of my targets was to demonstrate to MeeGo the benefits of the Maemo mixed economy | 20:44 |
| RevdKathy | And I felt the mix at conference was much more 'maemo-esque' than I expected | 20:44 |
| timsamoff | From a | 20:45 |
| timsamoff | "people | 20:45 |
| timsamoff | "point of view, yes. | 20:45 |
| * timsamoff is not typing well. | 20:45 | |
| RevdKathy | while the hospitality was DEFINITELY 100% corporate hospitality | 20:45 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: How about you? Has there been anything on your mind lately about what needs to be "done" within Maemo? | 20:46 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: just a moment.... I was called and I didn't read latest rows... | 20:47 |
| timsamoff | Ok. | 20:47 |
| achipa | timsamoff: image sent, apologies for the bad framing | 20:47 |
| timsamoff | Thanks, achipa! | 20:48 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: nothing more we have already discussed about.... in particular I'm interested in improving the application testing process | 20:48 |
| timsamoff | Good photo! I like it! | 20:48 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Great! If achipa agrees, maybe you two can work on it together. | 20:49 |
| RevdKathy | The other thing we probably need to note at this point is that we're not attracting new members (between devices) | 20:49 |
| RevdKathy | Which is fine at present | 20:50 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Yes, true... Similar to right before the N900 was released. A void. | 20:50 |
| achipa | timsamoff: Andy80: sure | 20:50 |
| RevdKathy | but there's a question about whether we will and how we manage them when/if the Meego-Harmattan device it released | 20:50 |
| Andy80 | sure, ok for me :) | 20:50 |
| timsamoff | achipa: Thanks. Andy80 may have some good ideas based on his old mailing list conversations. | 20:50 |
| RevdKathy | It's a long way off yet - but some will probably come to us and others go to MeeGo | 20:51 |
| RevdKathy | Not much to do right now but mark time - I'm assuming we don't want a drive attract new members | 20:51 |
| timsamoff | RevdKathy: Not necessarily a bad thing. But, it's a good point. | 20:51 |
| RevdKathy | Just something to note, really, about the current place the community is in | 20:51 |
| RevdKathy | a steady drain towards MeeGo (many devs have already gone over) and no new blood | 20:52 |
| timsamoff | Yes. Definitely. In fact, you may have just hit on the "theme" of the blog post. | 20:52 |
| RevdKathy | Qt being available on both (I assume!) | 20:52 |
| timsamoff | It is. ;) | 20:53 |
| RevdKathy | And the netbook distribution attracting a lot of new people to MeeGo who were a bit 'meh' before | 20:53 |
| timsamoff | Right. | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | RevdKathy: you find the actual meego 1.1 to be ready for end users? | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | No, I had to install a lot of stuff via command line | 20:54 |
| timsamoff | And, there are plenty of bugs (and UI definicencies). | 20:54 |
| Andy80 | RevdKathy: ah ok :) then I agree ;) | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | Which an end-user will not do | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | And the UI deficiencies are still too great | 20:55 |
| timsamoff | Anyone try headphones yet? The jack works, but the cound still also comes out the speakers! :p | 20:55 |
| RevdKathy | And it's not really a 'connected' system while it only connects via wifi | 20:55 |
| RevdKathy | No - I haven't | 20:55 |
| timsamoff | And, mine won't wake up after it goes to sleep -- I have to restart it. | 20:55 |
| achipa | before we go very OT: meego is never going to be end-user ready in that sense - though now there is a good chance that the lenovo becomes a hardware reference for it so it gets reasonably close | 20:55 |
| * RevdKathy promotes voting on MeeGo bug #440 | 20:55 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/440 WPA connection causes reboot | 20:55 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 20:56 |
| RevdKathy | Wrong Bugzilla, povbot! | 20:56 |
| Andy80 | well I really need to go now :\ | 20:56 |
| timsamoff | Ok, so we've been here entirely too long. I'll send a transcript to achipa so he can see what we talked about before he arrived (achipa, maybe you can respond to council@ with your opinion). | 20:56 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Jinks/. | 20:56 |
| achipa | aye | 20:56 |
| timsamoff | Thanks, everyone. I appreciate you taking the time! | 20:57 |
| RevdKathy | Darn Now I shall have to do the chores! | 20:57 |
| Andy80 | btw... flashing again my N900 didn't fix the problem with SIM :( | 20:57 |
| RevdKathy | Ouch! | 20:57 |
| timsamoff | achipa: aye to the question? :p | 20:57 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Sorry. :( | 20:57 |
| RevdKathy | Andy80: that's awful. | 20:57 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: I really don't know what to do.... I did think I had disabled something like "dual mode" or "3G / GSM" ecc... but it's all fine | 20:58 |
| achipa | timsamoff: question ? I will read the log and respond... (/mee feels he lost context) | 20:58 |
| timsamoff | achipa: I know. I was kidding. ;) | 20:58 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Weird that it works in another phone and another SIM works in the N900... You may need to have your SIM tested by your carrier...? | 20:59 |
| timsamoff | Or just have your SIM replaced...? | 20:59 |
| achipa | Andy80: did you cold-flash ? | 20:59 |
| RevdKathy | Weirder still that it worked up to 2 hours ago | 20:59 |
| Andy80 | achipa: I just used the CLI flasher.... but it automatically restored backup, so... don't know... if something was wrong in config, is wrong again | 21:00 |
| timsamoff | Yeah, try a flash w/out backup -- annoying, but it may work anyway. | 21:01 |
| RevdKathy | Try it - and if it doesn't work, then you can still back-up | 21:01 |
| achipa | yeah, probably worth a shot | 21:01 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: how? it was recovered automatically | 21:01 |
| achipa | ? wait, did you flash mmc, too ? | 21:01 |
| Andy80 | achipa: no | 21:01 |
| Andy80 | achipa: backup is on internal 32Gb memory | 21:02 |
| Andy80 | so I didn't flash it | 21:02 |
| achipa | yeah, but a lot of garbage can accumulate in /home/user/.* | 21:02 |
| RevdKathy | Right - I really must go and do the hand-washing | 21:03 |
| Andy80 | achipa: so? I should try only with minimum backup? I actually only need my CONTACTS.... | 21:03 |
| RevdKathy | Laters folks | 21:03 |
| achipa | later | 21:03 |
| RevdKathy | :) | 21:03 |
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| achipa | Andy80: guess so, if that doesn't help move the backup away and flash the whole thing | 21:04 |
| achipa | (you can always copy back the backup later and restore maanually) | 21:04 |
| Andy80 | achipa: ok, I try again moving backups on my pc and removing them from the mmc | 21:05 |
| Andy80 | yeah | 21:05 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Let us know how it goes. I'll talk to you all soon! | 21:05 |
| Andy80 | ok, I'll try now, see ya later or tomorrow | 21:06 |
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| Andy80 | wtf | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | backup is automatically restored from MMC | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | I would have to completly erase it | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | f****!! | 21:11 |
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