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| Jaffa | Glad to see extensive replying and thought given to the topic of "how do we prioritise community work" by everyone before the meeting. | 19:09 |
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| bergieN900 | hi | 19:27 |
| * Jaffa reminds people of http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-September/004519.html | 19:28 | |
| timsamoff | Thanks, Jaffa. I'll bring it up again in a few. | 19:29 |
| timsamoff | Hi bergieN900! | 19:30 |
| bergieN900 | i'm at a course lesson so please ping when i'm needed :-) | 19:30 |
| timsamoff | Sure thing. | 19:31 |
| bergieN900 | thx | 19:32 |
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| dneary | hi all | 19:34 |
| timsamoff | Hi dneary! | 19:35 |
| andre__ | ahoj | 19:35 |
| timsamoff | Hi andre__! | 19:35 |
| dneary | I'm very busy with other stuff (leaving tomorrow morning for Dublin, and have to send a presentation to Korea for translmation before that... and it's not done yet!) | 19:36 |
| dneary | But I will be here for a while later | 19:36 |
| timsamoff | Thanks! | 19:36 |
| timsamoff | We'll begin with the m.o specific stuff. | 19:36 |
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| Andy80 | hi all :) | 19:42 |
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| Jaffa | timsamoff's having connection difficulties, FWIW. | 19:50 |
| timsamoff | having technical issues... Now on my N900. | 19:50 |
| X-Fade | Just made you a powerful man ;) | 19:51 |
| timsamoff | Thanks X-Fade! | 19:51 |
| timsamoff | I feel it too... Wow. :p | 19:51 |
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| timsamoff | Lets begin... Greetings, everyone. I'm so glad you could make it today! | 19:58 |
| ferenc | hello | 19:58 |
| X-Fade | hi | 19:58 |
| Jaffa | Hello | 19:58 |
| aslani | greetings | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | Who've we got? | 19:59 |
| timsamoff | First, I'd like to thank my IT dept for not getting the memo that I needed internet access today. :p | 19:59 |
| timsamoff | So, if I type slow, please forgive me... Also forgive typos. I'm on my N900. | 19:59 |
| achipa | hi | 19:59 |
| anidel | hello | 20:00 |
| andre__ | oy | 20:00 |
| bergieN900 | hi | 20:00 |
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| * RevdKathy grants timsamoff absolution in advance for typos. | 20:01 | |
| tekojo | hello! | 20:01 |
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| timsamoff | While everyone is "signing in" I'll give a brief rundown of our agenda. | 20:01 |
| Andy80 | hi tekojo | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | 1. M.o infrastructure | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | 2. MeeGo from a Maemo perspective | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | 3. Keeping Maemo issues relevant in MeeGo world | 20:02 |
| timsamoff | 4. M.o tasks/sprints | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | 5. The future of m.o. | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | 6. Open forum | 20:03 |
| timsamoff | But, first... Are there any dire pressing matters that need to be solved today or befoe th conference? | 20:04 |
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| timsamoff_maemo | Ah! I'm back on my laptop! | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | The GPL issue of Stellarium Mobile seems to have been resolved, with the source on its web site | 20:05 |
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| timsamoff_maemo | That is great. Thanks to those of you who helped with that (achipa?). | 20:05 |
| achipa | I did send a few mails, but no replies, so no idea if it's my doing :) | 20:06 |
| timsamoff_maemo | :) | 20:06 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Any other crucial items that need doing before tomorrow or Monday? | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | I assume we'll sort out get together on Monday when we see tekojo in Dublin | 20:07 |
| timsamoff_maemo | True. | 20:07 |
| tekojo | Jaffa: yes, lets do that | 20:07 |
| X-Fade | I guess there will be some time to meet irl. | 20:07 |
| timsamoff_maemo | tekojo: I'm assuming we'll button down the specifics of the meeting on Monday, then? | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed. We should have a general m.o get-together | 20:08 |
| tekojo | timsamoff_maemo: yes, but please everyone think of what hot topics there are | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Presumably not a dinner with Ari, though ;-) | 20:08 |
| timsamoff_maemo | :p | 20:08 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: ouch :) | 20:08 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok, so lets get to our first agenda item: M.o infrastructure. | 20:09 |
| timsamoff_maemo | There's been a lot that has occurred since last Summit. Jaffa has summarized most of it well here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-September/004519.html | 20:09 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Still, we have some open questions that need resolution. | 20:10 |
| timsamoff_maemo | a) How does stuff get in there with the council acting | 20:10 |
| timsamoff_maemo | as gatekeeper? Can the keywords be used only by | 20:10 |
| timsamoff_maemo | certain people? | 20:10 |
| timsamoff_maemo | (Btw, you'll need to read the email to have a context of the questions.) | 20:10 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade or tekojo: Do you have any opinions? | 20:11 |
| * Jaffa assumes no-one (in particular dneary, X-Fade or andre__) had any objections to the _design_ of the concept... | 20:11 | |
| Andy80 | (ahh.... I wasn't understanding anything :D ) | 20:11 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Since no one objected to the email in the first place... | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Indeed. Negative confirmation ;-) | 20:12 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: My assumption. | 20:12 |
| tekojo | no heavy opinions on my side, using bugzilla seems sensible | 20:12 |
| * Jaffa thinks the topic of how the work that the paid staff gets is pretty key to making "community owns maemo.org" work, IMNSHO | 20:12 | |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it doesn't really go in to the technical details. | 20:12 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Just saw your ping | 20:12 |
| dneary | Let me catch up | 20:12 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade: Some of the open questions need technical solutions, though. | 20:13 |
| andre__ | labels "community_priority" and "community_actionable" mean adding such keywords in Bugzilla terminology, or what is meant by that? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: hmm? | 20:13 |
| andre__ | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-September/004519.html | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Yes, I meant Bugzilla keywords | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | nm :P | 20:14 |
| andre__ | okay. just tell me when I should add them (and provide nice descriptions for them so I don't have to come up with that :-P ) | 20:14 |
| timsamoff_maemo | So, this first question sort of pertains to the next question as well: | 20:14 |
| timsamoff_maemo | b) How does the council come up with new stuff? Any formal | 20:14 |
| timsamoff_maemo | process or just lobby your local council member? | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | andre__: And can keywords be added by only certain users? | 20:15 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Do we (the Council) just want to use Bugzilla as our main basis for these sorts of things? | 20:15 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Sounds sane. The important thing is maintainability. If it's a hassle, people just won't do it. It has to be self-perpetuating & useful, whatever system is in place | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Sort of a "council_pending" keyword triage queue? | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Indeed, low overhead without reinventing any wheels. | 20:15 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Yes, that would work. But, is Bugzilla the proper forum for such? | 20:15 |
| tekojo | gather the ideas, meet up and triage? | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I don't think the wiki ever really worked for maemo.org (or for MeeGo's CO) for managing backlogs | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Could be. But it might not be how the idea gets to the council in the first place | 20:16 |
| andre__ | AFAIK a standard Bugzilla account does not have sufficient permission to add keywords or change a bug summary | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Could be that people email council@, or an individual or whatever and then get pointed to raise an item in Bugzilla which we stamp | 20:16 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Right. How about leaving the Council forum on t.m.o and the community list for that? | 20:16 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Indeed | 20:17 |
| andre__ | but "Status Whiteboard" is writable for anybody | 20:17 |
| Jaffa | "Status whiteboard"? | 20:17 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Not really. Not very good for minutes, or for tracking action items. | 20:18 |
| dneary | Jaffa, No regular reminders, no notion of priority, comments, or sharing the burden | 20:18 |
| timsamoff_maemo | dneary: Couldn't it be, though? Through the comments? | 20:18 |
| dneary | (referring to your "wiki didn't work" comment) | 20:18 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: It sounds like there's general consensus so I suggest you & I flesh it out over the weekend | 20:18 |
| timsamoff_maemo | dneary: Ah. Thanks. | 20:18 |
| dneary | timsamoff_maemo, I'm running a little behind real-time :) | 20:19 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Yes. Good. Moving on (yes, we'll moving fast, so stop me if we need to harp on anything)... | 20:19 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Then everyone can sign off on it/make it happen. | 20:19 |
| * Jaffa is aware of time now ;-) | 20:20 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | We'll need to revisit all of the open questions, then... I have opinions, but I don't want to "make it so" without a consensus. ;) | 20:20 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Lets reconvene the "opens" on Monday. | 20:20 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Lets reshuffle the agenda items a little... | 20:21 |
| timsamoff_maemo | The last m.o Sprint was in April, no? | 20:21 |
| bergieN900 | around that, yes | 20:21 |
| Jaffa | No, it preceded that email when there was the changes re: m.o ownership | 20:21 |
| bergieN900 | maybe even something like feb | 20:21 |
| timsamoff_maemo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/April_10 | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | ...and people updating on the brainstorm items which was an attempt to get away from the sprints which weren't working | 20:22 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Ok. Fine by me. | 20:22 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Should we continue working brainstorm style? Or does there need to be a reorg of some sort? | 20:22 |
| * Jaffa would think that would fall out of the new process | 20:22 | |
| Jaffa | It'd be more a conveyor belt/continual style of working on stuff | 20:23 |
| bergieN900 | so brainstorm-like but with bugzilla? | 20:23 |
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| Jaffa | Either by paid people or community | 20:23 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Are there pressing matters since April that have not been resolved (web community wise, not necessarily philosophy wise). | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: I'd say movement on the brainstorm items (bugzilla 3.4 rollout, maemo.org/downloads/ improvements) _seem_ to have stalled. | 20:24 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok. | 20:24 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Personally, I like Bugzilla for these sorts of issues. Brinstorm still "has potential" for me, but it doesn't seem to have been a successful tool (yet). | 20:24 |
| Jaffa | Bugzilla *seems* like it's ready to go (I've not heard any gnashing of teeth, but perhaps andre__ could update on that) | 20:24 |
| bergieN900 | timsamoff: brainstorm kind of died when meego was announced | 20:25 |
| andre__ | Jaffa: Ferenc will probably deploy it next week he just said :) | 20:25 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Cool | 20:25 |
| ferenc | andre__: that's right | 20:25 |
| achipa | also on the MIA list is the package/promotion management interface (unless you meant that but /downloads) | 20:25 |
| timsamoff_maemo | But, andre__ & ferenc: Is that smart? | 20:25 |
| timsamoff_maemo | During the conference? | 20:25 |
| achipa | LIVE ! :) | 20:25 |
| timsamoff_maemo | :D | 20:25 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff_maemo: It is a meego conference, not maemo ;) | 20:26 |
| Jaffa | achipa: I was including a whole set of stuff, but yes - that's one of the big pieces (donations was the other one) | 20:26 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Understood, but lots of Maemo attention will be split. | 20:26 |
| andre__ | heh. X-Fade was faster, but I had the same thought ;-) | 20:26 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa & achipa: Is it in Bugzilla? | 20:26 |
| bergieN900 | the packages/promotion stuff has been waiting for some harmattan questions | 20:26 |
| bergieN900 | current plan is to have a real face-to-face sprint in end of this month | 20:26 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: No, last meeting minutes & Brainstorm meeting minutes. | 20:27 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok. What's the consensus for moving all crucial action items to Bugzilla? | 20:27 |
| timsamoff_maemo | bergieN900: Could the f2f sprint include an IRC meeting with the community? | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | bergieN900: Sorry, but to be blunt "plan" and "waiting" don't jibe with the lack of information on maemo-community | 20:27 |
| Jaffa | bergieN900: How can you have a "real face-to-face sprint" (in the meeting sense) without the stakeholders; or are you just talking about delivering it? | 20:28 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Once the process is signed off, we can do that :-) | 20:28 |
| bergieN900 | delivering | 20:28 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Cool. | 20:28 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Which is why I'm disappointed that there wasn't any feedback on it. | 20:28 |
| bergieN900 | so, we want to get everybody supposed to work on it to Helsinki and hack | 20:28 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff_maemo: To be honest, the new design is geared towards meego and maemo will benefit from it because of the Harmattan->maemo relation ;) | 20:28 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade: Fair enough. | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | How the council can be expected to own maemo.org on behalf of the community when key emails get ignored is a source of real frustration to me (one mitigated by beer with y'all next week) | 20:29 |
| timsamoff_maemo | bergieN900: I'm assuming you mean on relevant current items, not new ideas, right? | 20:29 |
| bergieN900 | yes | 20:29 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok. | 20:29 |
| timsamoff_maemo | We might still benefit from a short(ish) community IRC meeting to set priorities -- or, by then, we will be using a tool that has priorities set. | 20:30 |
| timsamoff_maemo | All, right... Backing up in the agenda a little. | 20:30 |
| timsamoff_maemo | MeeGo Conference and delivering information to Maemo (and vice versa). | 20:31 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Do we want to rely on current Modus Operandi? (E.g., Twitter, blogs, IRC?) Or, should we come up with a plan for optimal communication? | 20:31 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Likewise, are there issues we should purposefully bring to the conference? | 20:32 |
| timsamoff_maemo | The new Bugzilla Openness issue has arisen on MeeGo. Things like that. | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | I would have thought the Council should provide an official overview of the conference from a maemo.org perspective. | 20:33 |
| bergieN900 | MeeGo is now getting the same news system that we have with Maemo | 20:33 |
| timsamoff_maemo | As an afterthought or in real-time? | 20:33 |
| tekojo | Experiences to learn from in MeeGo would be nice | 20:33 |
| timsamoff_maemo | tekojo: Yes. Good. | 20:34 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Do we want to open a forum topic for the community to be involved via the Council? | 20:34 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Or, should it be more organic? | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | bergieN900: Dependent on a never-coming server move? | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: There's already Texrat's "Ask the Council" thread in the Community forum on TMO | 20:34 |
| bergieN900 | Jaffa we just got the server access this week | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | bergieN900: Cool | 20:34 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Ok. If that's an acceptable forum for this, I'll agree as well. | 20:35 |
| ferenc | bergieN900: last evening / night | 20:35 |
| bergieN900 | so yeah, wait is over and we can do stuff :-) | 20:35 |
| RevdKathy | We could open a thread 'Your council at MeeGo conference' just to check in with people - anything from serious stuff to just touching base. | 20:35 |
| Andy80 | I think we should provide enough information for the community to contact the Council | 20:35 |
| RevdKathy | And a thread we could make an effort to check if we manage nothing else | 20:36 |
| timsamoff_maemo | RevdKathy & Andy80: Could you guys spearhead that action item? | 20:36 |
| Andy80 | I mean: a page with a contact form, an email all the council can read, a particular section in the forum ecc... | 20:36 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff_maemo: I can create the wiki page if you want | 20:36 |
| RevdKathy | Sure - I'll open a thread in advance tonight. | 20:36 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok... How about using a #MaemoCouncil hash on Twitter? | 20:36 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: There's the Council homepage with links to council@maemo.org email address, maemo-community@ and the Community forum at TMO. | 20:37 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Or #MCatMeeGo...? | 20:37 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Setting up a web form is horrible, because it doesn't go into people's own Sent folder. | 20:37 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: "Cat"? Oh, "C at " ;-) | 20:37 |
| timsamoff_maemo | I think the council@ email is good enough. I'd rather people use a public forum, though. | 20:37 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff: #MaemoCouncil is ok | 20:37 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa :p | 20:38 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: ok, we can improve that page... adding Twitter references | 20:38 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Andy80: Cool. It's agreed. Maybe you can take on filtering those hash tweets for us? | 20:38 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff_maemo: ok, I can do it | 20:39 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Great. | 20:39 |
| timsamoff_maemo | All right... I don't want to linger on the last agenda item today, but we should all begin to think about it: The future of m.o. | 20:40 |
| timsamoff_maemo | I'm wondering if we could have an "open meeting" throughout the week with m.o staff about this... | 20:40 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Maybe we could meet for a couple of lunches to discuss some future...ness of our web community. | 20:41 |
| bergieN900 | sounds good | 20:41 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Are there any current issues with the m.o site that need to be resolved before 2011? | 20:41 |
| RevdKathy | Single sign on? | 20:41 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ha! I was going to put that in parentheses. . ) | 20:42 |
| timsamoff_maemo | ;) | 20:42 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff_maemo: the important thing is: let's try to discuss everything within 1-2 beers, or I'm not responsable for what I could say :D | 20:42 |
| bergieN900 | ah, the neverending project :-/ | 20:42 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Andy80: I'll claim responsibility until 3 or 4. ;) | 20:42 |
| timsamoff_maemo | bergieN900: Can you give a summary of the remaining issues with SSO? | 20:43 |
| RevdKathy | Andy80 I wanted to add that council stuff shouldn't be so all-consuming I can't claim all the beers other people owe me. | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | via email | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | to maemo-community | 20:43 |
| ferenc | I plan to "take over" SSO from the current owners and try to deliver it. | 20:43 |
| timsamoff_maemo | ferenc: What's your opinion of getting it done by January? | 20:43 |
| * Jaffa would really like to see an email from someone (say Nemein, so bergie) or bergie & the 3 masters summarising *something* each month | 20:43 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Agreed. | 20:44 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: If it is just BAU we are doing, that isn't very interesting though. | 20:44 |
| ferenc | timsamoff_maemo: yes, I meant asap. Hope to dig into it next week already and then will be able to estimate the work. | 20:44 |
| timsamoff_maemo | ferenc: Great! | 20:45 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade: Maybe major milestones. | 20:45 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Already this meeting we've heard: there's a planned get-together to hack on Downloads/Packages; the SSO stuff is going to be land-grabbed; Bugzilla 3.4 is being rolled out next week; ... | 20:45 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: People are getting paid. Wanting to know what they've been doing seems perfectly reasonable to me. | 20:46 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Even if it is "did nothing but deal with auto-builder issues and here's a link to Bugzilla activity" (or something) | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | Sure, how about we add it as an item to mwkn or so? | 20:47 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Would Qaiku still suffice for this? Or, should there be a different method? | 20:47 |
| X-Fade | So it actually gets aggregated somewhere. | 20:47 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: I don't think Qaiku *ever* sufficed for external consumption; because it's not a report - it's a stream. | 20:48 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok. | 20:48 |
| timsamoff_maemo | What about weekly reports to maemo-community? | 20:48 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: If it was posted to maemo-community, or a planet-aggregated blog, it'd get into MWKN (and I'd rejoice at having more content ;-)) | 20:48 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: s/weekly/monthly/ | 20:48 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Unless weekly is less burdensome | 20:48 |
| * Jaffa doesn't want it to be a big overhead, just something so that the council understands if loads of the prioritised Bugzilla items aren't getting any updates | 20:49 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | Could be one or two sentences at the end of each week. Monthly might need a paragraph. | 20:49 |
| X-Fade | Let's discuss the expectations and estimates of work when we meet irl. | 20:49 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade: Ok. Who is keeping a list of our irl agenda? :p | 20:50 |
| timsamoff_maemo | So, speaking of our paid m.o masters... We've lost a couple in the past year... Do we need to visit replacing them? Or, will m.o function as is? | 20:50 |
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| X-Fade | timsamoff_maemo: The guy with the @ sign in front of his name :) | 20:50 |
| timsamoff_maemo | X-Fade: :D | 20:50 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff_maemo: No matter what happens, maemo.org will scale down. I don't think there will be budgets to hire new people. | 20:51 |
| Jaffa | andre900: We don't have an "estimate" field in Bugzilla do we? | 20:51 |
| * Jaffa agrees. | 20:51 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok. Make do. | 20:52 |
| X-Fade | We need to see how we can get the most value out of the work available. | 20:52 |
| andre__ | Jaffa: Time management is disabled currently | 20:52 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, or did you mean a Target Milestone (e.g. January) by "estimate"? | 20:52 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Not suggesting it's worth doing time tracking in Bugzilla, since I know Nemein has its own system. | 20:52 |
| * Andy80 must go in a couple of minutes :\ | 20:52 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | andre__: Without enabling time management, could an extra field be added? | 20:52 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Andy80: No worries! See you in Dublin! | 20:52 |
| bergieN900 | we could give council access to our tracker if so desired, btw | 20:53 |
| andre__ | timsamoff_maemo: maybe in 3.4 it's possible to do, don't know right now | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | see you all there :) | 20:53 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Target milestone/due date type thing would probably be sufficient. I think the stuff which needs it (e.g. "hey, mr. community guy, come and do this") could just have it in the description/comments | 20:53 |
| achipa | o/ | 20:54 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Fair enough, IMO. | 20:55 |
| andre__ | we are talking about tickets that would all be handled in the maemo.org Website product, right? (as TMs are product specific and I'd like to avoid cluttering all other TM lists too) | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Yes, probably. | 20:55 |
| andre__ | that should work. just tell me what you need after having agreed | 20:55 |
| X-Fade | Unless you want to file bugs against the council? :) | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | Let's not make Bugzilla more complicated yet. | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: We might do for the task tracker earlier discussed | 20:56 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ;-) | 20:56 |
| X-Fade | Fine by me :) | 20:56 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Please make it so with andre__ -- I think we will all agree with your assumptions. | 20:56 |
| andre__ | I wonder whether to add a new classification for it. no idea. you know best what kind of reports about what you expect :) | 20:56 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff_maemo: Will make a note to include it in our "how the community process will work" spec :-) | 20:56 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Jaffa: Thanks. | 20:56 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Well, you guys have to live with it too... | 20:56 |
| andre__ | I can live with anything :-P | 20:58 |
| timsamoff_maemo | andre__: Hehe. We'll see. :p | 20:58 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Ok... If there are no other agenda-related items to discuss, I'd like to open the meeting up for general questions/comments... Lets give it about 10-minutes (unless something deserves more time) and then we can call it a day. | 20:58 |
| * andre__ has to reboot this machine now (terrible X problems), but still around as andre900 | 20:58 | |
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| tekojo | the community SSU | 20:58 |
| tekojo | please take that on some official agenda, it has real promise | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: It is indeed on such | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: MohammadAG, X-Fade and others are working out some kinks, AIUI | 20:59 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I think we should see if we can make that something that really is something that can give a longer support for their device. | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG has an action to email maemo-developers to get m-vo's thoughts on something | 21:00 |
| timsamoff_maemo | tekojo (or someone): When the time is right, can you email a summary of your reasoning so I can provide an overview to the agenda item? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | school doesn't help, I'm working on getting my laptop there to do it in free time :/ | 21:00 |
| tekojo | timsamoff_maemo: sure, I'll try to remember to draft it on the plane tomorrow | 21:01 |
| timsamoff_maemo | tekojo: Thank you. | 21:01 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Remember to ask for help ;-) | 21:01 |
| timsamoff_maemo | MohamedAG: Will you be at the conference? | 21:01 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Sorry: MohammadAG. | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | timsamoff_maemo, sadly, nope, talk to my government :P | 21:02 |
| timsamoff_maemo | MohammadAG: Oh, ok. Sorry. I might get the Council to begin an email conversation with you to see how we can streamline the process between a few other people. | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | serious question, why isn't the conference streamed? | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: it is. | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Main room is live always. | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | interesting, linky? | 21:03 |
| X-Fade | Go to the conference site. Schedule. | 21:03 |
| tekojo | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 21:04 |
| X-Fade | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 21:04 |
| X-Fade | Shows it with every talk in the main room. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | cool | 21:05 |
| tekojo | Quim was promising everything else 24 hours later as web video | 21:05 |
| * timsamoff_maemo is planning a streakfest foe one of the sessions. :p | 21:05 | |
| MohammadAG | must've missed that :) | 21:05 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff_maemo: Please, I don't want to see that :) | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Pity me: I'm sharing a room with him! | 21:06 |
| tekojo | timsamoff_maemo: welcome, second day afternoon :) | 21:06 |
| timsamoff_maemo | :p | 21:06 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Anyone else in attendance have a question or comment? | 21:06 |
| * RevdKathy passes timsamoff_maemo a teddy bear t cover his modesty | 21:06 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Ouch. | 21:06 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Especially during morning yoga. | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't this #meego-meeting? :) | 21:07 |
| RevdKathy | his yoga or yours? | 21:08 |
| andre900 | so, anything else to discuss that will make it look like a meeting again? :-P | 21:08 |
| X-Fade | I look forward to seeing you all in Dublin though. | 21:08 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Same here! | 21:08 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Doesn't seem like anyone else wants to chime in... Thank you, everyone, for making it to the meeting today! | 21:08 |
| * andre900 thinks that his laptop display just died, sigh | 21:08 | |
| timsamoff_maemo | andre900: :( | 21:09 |
| timsamoff_maemo | See most of you soon. I'll send out the minutes sometime today! | 21:09 |
| RevdKathy | Thank you! And yes, looking forward to seeing you all in Dublin | 21:09 |
| tekojo | see you all in Dublin! | 21:09 |
| ferenc | thanks, bye! | 21:09 |
| andre900 | thanks everybody & see you in dublin! | 21:09 |
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| aslani | bye | 21:09 |
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| X-Fade | Bye. | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, was the N900 announced at the maemo summit or Nokia World? | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Nokia World | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Press pack says no device announcements at MeeGo Conf | 21:10 |
| achipa | actually, a few days before | 21:10 |
| bergieN900 | ok, time to go. See you all in Dublin! | 21:10 |
| achipa | o/ | 21:10 |
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| achipa | device ? what device ? we have N900s, that's all we need ! :) :( | 21:11 |
| timsamoff_maemo | ;) | 21:11 |
| tekojo | achipa: I do have this netbook too :) | 21:11 |
| timsamoff_maemo | Bye everyone. | 21:13 |
| achipa | tekojo: but, does it run lin... err... MeeGo ? | 21:13 |
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| tekojo | achipa: there on the second partition which I rarely boot to | 21:13 |
| tekojo | and it has the handset ux too :) | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I see, oh well, was looking forward to an upgrade | 21:13 |
| achipa | big hands ! | 21:13 |
| tekojo | achipa: and no touch screen | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, won't be selling the N900 for quite a long time, maybe 10 years :P | 21:14 |
| achipa | tekojo: we'll file that under 'low sensitivity resistive screen' | 21:15 |
| tekojo | :D | 21:15 |
| RevdKathy | Bye all. :) | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ RevdKathy | 21:15 |
| tekojo | Bye! | 21:15 |
| achipa | o/ | 21:15 |
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| dneary | timsamoff, Jaffa: Still here? | 21:18 |
| dneary | Sorry - looks like I totally missed the meeting! | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | I am | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | But not for long | 21:19 |
| timsamoff | dneary: Hi. Looks like my N900 is still logged on. ;) | 21:19 |
| timsamoff | I'll get the minutes out as soon as I can. We have a lot to talk about next week. | 21:20 |
| dneary | OK | 21:20 |
| dneary | See you all next week | 21:20 |
| timsamoff | See you! | 21:20 |
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