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| Stskeeps | i should probably warn i'll be in a bus and at polish lessons at time of meeting :P but will see what i can do with some n900 magic | 14:51 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, Ping? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: pong, that is :) | 16:04 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, It's in an hour, the meeting? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | Tuesday, 2sd March 2010 at 14:30 UTC | 16:05 |
| X-Fade | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=2&year=2010&hour=14&min=30&sec=0 | 16:05 |
| dneary | ah | 16:05 |
| dneary | 25mns | 16:05 |
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| andre__ | yo. | 16:22 |
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| dneary | andre__, png | 16:26 |
| andre__ | dneary, pnong | 16:26 |
| dneary | andre__, You lose - we were playing vowelless png-png | 16:26 |
| dneary | andre__, Any news from Germàn yet? | 16:27 |
| andre__ | bt m hv jpg? | 16:27 |
| andre__ | German? not that I know :-/ | 16:28 |
| andre__ | dneary, ah. facebook is helpful: "Acabo de hablar con Germán, estan bien, no tienen luz, agua ni gas, pero si algo de comida." | 16:29 |
| guenther | Yes, I recall having seen last night that he is fine. | 16:30 |
| guenther | Diego collected a list, also. | 16:30 |
| andre__ | yeah | 16:30 |
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| dneary | andre__, Let me guess: "I just talked to Germán, he's fine, no electricity, water or gas, but there is seaweed to eat"? | 16:31 |
| andre__ | dneary, s/seaweed/something but the rest is fine, yeah :) | 16:32 |
| danielwilms | hey :) when is the meeting today?? | 16:33 |
| dneary | danielwilms, 3 minutes ago | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: About now. | 16:33 |
| danielwilms | dneary, X-Fade ... thanks, wasn't sure as it was so quite :) | 16:34 |
| danielwilms | quiet | 16:34 |
| dneary | We were just waiting for you :) | 16:34 |
| dneary | Valerio said he might not make it | 16:34 |
| * andre__ passes a drink to danielwilms | 16:34 | |
| dneary | and I don't know who else from the council is here | 16:34 |
| dneary | zerojay generally misses the meetings | 16:34 |
| danielwilms | andre__ cheers :) | 16:36 |
| danielwilms | X-Fade do you want to head the meeting? or shall we postpone it as we are so little people? | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | I guess I will take this one. As there seems to be no movement ;) | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | So let's open this February Sprint meeting by going through all non-completed tasks: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/February_10#Tasks | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | I'll start with 9.09-01, will meet with Daniel next week and I think we should force a solution for this. | 16:39 |
| danielwilms | X-Fade...good idea...I got some changes, which I have to apply...I think it's a good start for the discussion next week | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so carry on to March Sprint. | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | danielwilms: 9.09-10 SSO sync-API | 16:41 |
| danielwilms | a general thing...this month was for me really bad and I was caught up with a lot of things...so not so much progress in my tasks | 16:41 |
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| X-Fade | danielwilms: I think it is still something we need to do? So carry on to March? | 16:42 |
| danielwilms | let's carry it on to march and discuss some things next week with bergie as well how to go on. | 16:43 |
| bergie | sorry to jump in mid-discussion, what task is this? | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | ok. | 16:44 |
| bergie | (and hello from Sao Paulo BTW :-) | 16:44 |
| danielwilms | bergie sso | 16:44 |
| bergie | ok | 16:44 |
| danielwilms | uhhh...hello | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | andre__, guenther: | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | 9.12-01 Working bugzilla 3.4, migration path notes | 16:45 |
| bergie | danielwilms: weren't we supposed to split SSO to more actionable subtasks? | 16:45 |
| * andre__ likes to mention that guenther == Karsten | 16:45 | |
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| karstenb | oops :) | 16:45 |
| karstenb | 9.12-1, 5 and 7. Unfortunately, not finished yet. | 16:45 |
| danielwilms | bergie we discussed one task of the SSO | 16:45 |
| karstenb | I'm about to merge and deploy the various bits. There should be a test installation soon, for community review and possibly some style tweaking. | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | karstenb: Can we aim for it to go live at the end of this Sprint? | 16:45 |
| karstenb | Even though there's a destinct lack of community around today... | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | It is dragging on for quite a long time. | 16:46 |
| karstenb | X-Fade: Yes. | 16:46 |
| dneary | Is ferenc here? | 16:46 |
| andre__ | nope | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Can you keep the chat somewhere else? | 16:46 |
| dneary | X-Fade, That was task related - but thanks for the nice reminder | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | karstenb: So let's move these 3 tasks to March and will keep monitoring progress during the sprint. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | karstenb: If you need anything from me, please let me know. | 16:47 |
| karstenb | Will do. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | Great. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | dneary: 10.01-03 Document processes for maemo.org infrastructure | 16:48 |
| bergie | ok | 16:49 |
| dneary | X-Fade, I have been meaning to hassle you for time since getting back from vacation | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well, I'm almost always online :) | 16:49 |
| dneary | X-Fade, That's basically waiting on us to get together & document some of the stuff you do & maybe give more tools to the community to diagnose things like build queue issues | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Sure, well ask specific questions and I'll try to answer. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Let's carry over to March and both make sure we make progress on this. | 16:51 |
| dneary | You could have a look at the list of the questions people are asking (which I believe you have answers to) at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Document_maemo.org_processes#webmaster_.28Niels.29 | 16:51 |
| dneary | Some of the answers, I hope, will simply be URLs to pages | 16:52 |
| dneary | And on a related question: is there a specific reason why infra is visible only to midgard admins? | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yes, there is. There are all kinds of ISP related tickets and numbers in there, so not for the general public. | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | And also not in suitable for this meeting. | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | I'll try to answer the questions in the wiki this sprint, so add my name to the task too. | 16:53 |
| X-Fade | Let's continue with 10.02-04 Cleanup repository, remove old versions. | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | We now keep a maximum of 5 versions of an application, this will probably need to go down, but will need some clever dependency checking. | 16:55 |
| X-Fade | Will try to see what can be done in the next sprint, as this is still quite a performance issue. | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | Then let's continue with 10.02-06 Prepare a Bugday | 16:57 |
| andre__ | 10.02-06: I'm late - lots of BAU. :-( | 16:57 |
| andre__ | Status: Bugday will definitely happen in the next 1 or 2 weeks. Doodle is set up to find a date; date & topic request sent to maemo-community@ ml. Will define the final date on monday, then blog/forum/ml and maybe try to even trick some nokians into showing up (the challenging part). | 16:57 |
| andre__ | Also I'd like to mention that I'm on holidays from March 17-25 | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | andre__: I saw a mail on the list ;) | 16:57 |
| andre__ | X-Fade, heh, yeah ;-) | 16:57 |
| tekojo | andre__ I can help in trying to trick Nokians to join | 16:57 |
| andre__ | tekojo, I'll send you an email once the date is final (on Monday) | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so while it looks like you are able to complete that task in the next Sprint. | 16:58 |
| andre__ | oh yeah :) | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Any plans for doing this on a regular interval? | 16:58 |
| andre__ | I should make this a monthly thingy, yes | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. :P | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Ok, then it will become a regular task for you, now a Sprint task :) | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | *not | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | bergie: 10.02-07 Implement karma changes | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Did you see the changes that were requested by Valerio? | 17:01 |
| bergie | X-Fade: the changes requested by council were implemented, plus some tuning. The second set of changes no | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Ok, so second round still needs to be done. | 17:02 |
| bergie | yep | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | Let's try to do those asap. | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | I can do those too if needed. | 17:03 |
| bergie | I might be able to do them today, but no promises. This week is vacation ;-) | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | As long as I know it gets done (or not). | 17:04 |
| bergie | I'll ping you | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Good. | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Let's continue then. | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | 10.01-08 Prepare appdownloader for extras-testing | 17:04 |
| danielwilms | I have improved the backend a lot, but I'm waiting for the last UI changes of andrew | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | No other blockers than not enough time? | 17:05 |
| danielwilms | nope...the biggest blogger is the icon | 17:05 |
| danielwilms | blocker | 17:06 |
| danielwilms | argh...need more coffee :) | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so let's set a sprint task for that for me then. | 17:06 |
| danielwilms | I meant the app icon created by andrew | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Ah, even better :) | 17:07 |
| danielwilms | :) | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | So, this can be carried over to March and can be done in the next Sprint? | 17:08 |
| danielwilms | yep | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | Ok, then we can continue with 10.01-09 Setup a rsync server for the maemo.org repos. | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | This one will be blocked by me. | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | Current setup is not made for sharing public access, so we can not allow this to be opened. | 17:09 |
| dneary | I don't understand what you mean | 17:09 |
| dneary | What do you mean it's not made for sharing? | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | We share this server with closed things. | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | And is not supposed to be accessed directly. | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | If we want an rsync server for the public repos, a vm needs to be created for that. | 17:10 |
| dneary | what exactly is requested for sharing? | 17:10 |
| dneary | It seems like people want to have things like the wiki & packages shared - those should be fairly self-contained | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | I'm not against the idea, but technically it is not possible now. | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | dneary: No, this is an rsync mirror of the repositories. | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | So people can easily mirror extras for instance. | 17:12 |
| dneary | Yeah - that's part of what I said - mirroring packages | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, there is a carefully made security setup we can't just poke holes in firewalls. | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | Jeremiah should have discussed this a bit, but will talk to him about it. | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, let's continue with the next task. | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Valerio is not here, but the 10.01-11 Prepare/discuss the GSoC'10 proposal seems to have made some progress at least. | 17:15 |
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| X-Fade | That concluded the 'MUST' tasks for this sprint. | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | Anybody want to comment on any of the 'Should' tasks? | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | Any priorities need changing or can this all be carried over to March? | 17:17 |
| danielwilms | let's carry it over | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | Ok. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | New tasks for the March Sprint. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | Who wants to propose something? | 17:19 |
| dneary | Before we get into the small picture, can we take 10 minutes for big picture first? | 17:19 |
| dneary | It seems like meego has changed everyone's priorities | 17:19 |
| dneary | And having some idea of what's in motion, so that we can help move things along in the right direction, would be useful for me | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | dneary: It is not clear what MeeGo changed exactly. I think that is the big problem. | 17:19 |
| dneary | Well - since tekojo and danielwilms are here - has the meego announcement had any effect on Maemo 6 development plans? | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | There has been an announcement that things will change, but for most of us this is really longer term. | 17:20 |
| tekojo | dneary no, things are going on as before | 17:21 |
| dneary | And yet all of the discussions and decisions about what that long term will look like are probably happening now | 17:21 |
| dneary | tekojo, So do you know if Maemo 6 will come out as it's been planned, or will Maemo 6 be MeeGo 1? | 17:21 |
| tekojo | dneary all discussions are out in the open | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | Maemo will be used for the Maemo 5 life span. Maemo 6 will be MeeGo compatible(ish). | 17:22 |
| tekojo | there just isn't a huge amount of stuff to discuss right now | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, expect insanity-reaching levels of confusion about the choice of branding with Harmattan. . . . | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | For the Maemo 5 life span, maemo.org will be the place. | 17:22 |
| dneary | OK - if I may reframe: who are the people who are leading discussioons on the next steps in maemo & meego now? | 17:23 |
| dneary | Everyone I've talked to doesn't seem to know :) | 17:23 |
| tekojo | I mean the who MeeGo community needs to form and get the place set up, but that should not affect maemo.org | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | dneary: You didn't join the meeting? | 17:23 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Which meeting? The one last week? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Yes. | 17:23 |
| tekojo | Maemo stays as is, and MeeGo currently has two persons heading it | 17:24 |
| tekojo | Imad and Valtteru | 17:24 |
| dneary | Yes, I was there, and everything outside web infrastructure was off topic | 17:24 |
| tekojo | Valtteri | 17:24 |
| tekojo | The meeting was about the web infra | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I think this is a big part of the problem. ;) | 17:24 |
| dneary | So as it stands, I have not attended any meeting that has had anything to do with big picture stuff | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've really yet to see anything from the TSG and most everybody else is just doing a lot of hand-waving in the dark. | 17:24 |
| andre__ | "TSG"? | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Technical Steering Group | 17:25 |
| dneary | If I may suggest an action for March then: "Organise a MeeGo/moblin/Maemo IRC Q&A with Valtteri and Imad" | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, supposedly they should be having bi-monthly public meetings of their own. | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing has yet been announced on that point, however. | 17:25 |
| dneary | Or even s/organise/propose | 17:26 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps essentially proposed that on the MeeGo community list and Imad answered to it | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | dneary: The Steering Group will probably come with news soon, as said on the list. | 17:26 |
| tekojo | but that is all MeeGo, could we get on with the Maemo agenda? | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | For all maemo.org guys there is still plenty of work to be done at maemo.org | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | And let's hope that more info will be available about meego, so that can be used in the next sprint. | 17:28 |
| dneary | OK - I have 2 "must" actions to propose for March | 17:28 |
| dneary | 1. Co-ordinate Q1 2010 council elections | 17:28 |
| dneary | 2. Synchronise wiki theme in svn & live version | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | ok, I'll add those. | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Anything else? | 17:30 |
| dneary | For the second, there's a big diff between what's in svn & what's live, which means someone's been editing what's deployed in-place - so bugs like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8791 aren't reproducible with the svn wiki | 17:30 |
| povbot | Bug 8791: After editing User_talk: page, two "You have new messages (last change)." banners are on each wiki page. | 17:30 |
| dneary | Import docs updates from Jarmo into the wiki (or make sure they're imported) | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | dneary: There really should not be a big difference. But I can backup current version and just deploy the svn one. | 17:31 |
| dneary | The diff is pretty substantial | 17:31 |
| dneary | And it's all bug fixes | 17:31 |
| dneary | So I'd prefer to copy what's live into svn | 17:31 |
| dneary | & work from there | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | Sure, that is easy. | 17:31 |
| dneary | X-Fade, You don't know who made the changes, by any chance? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | I guess me ;) | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | But that is half a year ago or so. I seem to recall that everything was committed, but I guess not. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, I was the only one creating the theme. So, it shouldn't be hard to figure this out. | 17:33 |
| dneary | Maybe someone else did some changes after you | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | dneary: no | 17:34 |
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| X-Fade | Any other sprint task suggestions? | 17:34 |
| dneary | Not from me | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | I will promote 10.02-12 to Must. | 17:35 |
| danielwilms | not for me neither | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Add task: Prepare repository for PR1.2 change. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Add task: Add icons to Downloads. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Any other tasks to add? | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Come on guys, we need to want to make things better? | 17:38 |
| danielwilms | I have too much to wrap up from the last month | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | Ok, no one has anything to add, then one last round of things we need to discuss? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | from my perspective i'm a little swamped in community relevant internal tasks, but from last month the open sourcing queue was news, TI 3d drivers and trying to calm people about meego | 17:40 |
| danielwilms | sorry guys...have to leave now...X-Fade see you latest next week :) | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yes, this month was a lot of communication ;) Let's hope the dust settles a bit. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - i'm happy to see maemo.org seems to be returning to fairly normal | 17:42 |
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| X-Fade | If nobody has anything to add, then let's end this meeting. Everybody thanks for being here. | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, X-Fade. | 17:43 |
| tekojo | Thanks! | 17:43 |
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| dneary | thanks | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | Wiki updated | 17:54 |
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| dneary | X-Fade, I updated the questions with my best memory of who asked them | 18:04 |
| dneary | For the wiki question, I'm writing an answer now myself | 18:05 |
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