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KotCzarnyhttps://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/15/h2-net-card-adds-four-2-5-gbe-ports-to-odroid-h2-h2-sbcs/12:11
KotCzarnyerm, wrong channel12:11
CatButtsI could use one of those for my PCI-E x1 slot12:12
KotCzarnywouldnt work12:14
KotCzarnyas it needs 4 lanes12:14
KotCzarnyand special config12:14
CatButtsat least for two ports12:16
KotCzarnyyou can always get usb-2xeth adapter12:17
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KotCzarnyCatButts: but you can get 4 port pcie x1 card from aliexpress for ~10-20usd12:40
KotCzarnyit even can be used in sff12:40
CatButtsmain interest for me would be PXE(lan booting)12:42
KotCzarnyhavent tried pxe, as im not using it12:42
KotCzarnybut i bet intel ones could do it (albeit more expensive)12:43
CatButtsany card can at least host12:43
KotCzarnyfor server bootrom doesnt matter12:44
KotCzarnyand any network card would be fine12:44
KotCzarnyi bought this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000510964310.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.32.1a957fc0LdBtV3&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.14976.180674.0&scm_id=1007.14976.180674.0&scm-url=1007.14976.180674.0&pvid=62d7cf61-91a3-4554-9fd4-d6bdcdd57eb6&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.14976.180674.0,pvid:62d7cf61-91a3-4554-9fd4-d6bdcdd57eb6,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2343_668%23888%233325%239_4976%230%23180674%2310_4976%232712:45
KotCzarnyerm, ugly link12:45
KotCzarnyhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000510964310.html12:45
CatButtsdelightful12:45
KotCzarnyits seen as 4 separate eth devices12:46
KotCzarnyso its not a switch12:46
KotCzarnyjust 4 eth chips connected to pcie12:46
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CatButtshttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001320838198.html imagine n900 resting on stand, and using this keyboard with it13:41
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CatButtsbigger than phone13:46
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brolin_empeyKotCzarny: Still ugly URI due to the “.html” that does not belong in the URI.14:00
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brolin_empeyCatButts: That page seems strange because it says “Russian Federation” instead of “Russia” but says “China” instead of “People’s Republic of China”.  They use the full name of Russia even though only one Russia exists but use the common name for the PRC even though the Republic of China still exists unless you side with the One China Policy of the PRC.14:05
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brolin_empey“2.4G and Bluetooth Rechargeable” as a category of mice is strange because Bluetooth apparently still only uses 2.4 GHz as opposed to 4.8 GHz AKA “5 GHz” so Bluetooth mice are a subset of 2.4-GHz wireless mice.14:10
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brolin_empeyDo all production models of ICE-electric hybrid vehicles use a reciprocating piston engine as opposed to a pistonless rotary engine?14:24
brolin_empeyI guess if a vehicle has either type of rotary engine then it implies that the vehicle is ICE-only, not hybrid.14:27
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CatButtsoh, here's an extra heretical idea16:16
CatButtshttps://termux.com/ compile applications for N900 on an Android phone16:16
CatButtsbut of course, cannot run anything past console applications on Android16:18
CatButtsin that case, maybe I could write on Android, console toolset to compile java and C and package, and have it runnable on N90016:22
CatButtsso then I could write applications for Android, on the N90016:23
CatButtsbrilliant16:23
CatButtsI may have mixed a few steps here and there, but it could work16:24
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brolin_empeyCatButts: The N900 is a model of computer, not a software platform.  Android can already run on the N900 with the NITdroid (= Nokia Internet Tablet Android) port that was apparently never finished.  You could also use an HTC myTouch 4G Slide, which should cost little money to buy now because it was originally released in 2011, instead of the N900 if you want a handheld computer running Android with an integrated hardware keyboard, an easily accessible and16:34
brolin_empeyremovable battery, but with higher specifications than the N900, such as more main memory, a capacitive touch screen, and maybe a more capable camera.16:34
brolin_empeyAlso, if you primarily use an x86 computer, you can run Android on an x86 smartphone, such as the first two generations of Asus ZenFone (ZenFone 2 from 2015 and earlier), then you do not need to cross-compile from x86 to ARM.  The ZenFone 2 has a difficult to access and remove battery, though, but I think the battery is easily accessible and removable on the first generation of ZenFone models.16:39
brolin_empeyThe Geeksphone Revolution uses x86 too but I had a bad experience with Android 4.2 as shipped by Geeksphone on mine, which I can no longer use because the only battery I had for it was recycled because it expanded/bulged and a replacement battery may be difficult to acquire now that Geeksphone the company is apparently done.16:42
brolin_empeyYes, technically I can still use it if I directly power the battery terminals but I should not need to do that because the computer should use power from the USB connector if I connect a powered USB cable.16:44
brolin_empeyIf you care about Flash Player then you should be able to use libflashplayer.so from a common x86 GNU+Linux installation on a mobile x86 computer, such as a smartphone or tablet computer using an Intel Atom x86 SoC, which have been shipping as finished products running Android since 2012.16:50
brolin_empeyYou can usually find x86 smartphones and tablet computers by searching for “Atom” instead of “x86”.16:52
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CatButtsI will stick to the devices I have at hand until they succumb16:55
CatButtsNamely the N900 and the Xperia XA2 which my brother eagerly sold me cheap so he can buy the "latest and greatest"16:56
CatButtsI oportunistically took the offer16:57
brolin_empeyIf you had an antiquated vehicle with a carbureted spark-ignition engine with non-electronic fuel ignition, would you bother trying to fix the carburetor inclusive-or points distributor instead of getting a comparatively modern vehicle with a fuel-injected engine with electronic fuel ignition?16:58
CatButtsI have no idea what those terms mean, but gathering the gist of it, I would probably stubbornly stick with old device16:59
CatButtswhy do you think I still use winxp?16:59
CatButts:p16:59
brolin_empeyMeaning getting a vehicle from the 1980s or later instead of trying to fix obsolete vehicle propulsion technology?17:01
brolin_empeyWindows XP Service Pack 3 is from 2008 so is around the same vintage as the N900 as originally shipped with Maemo 5.17:03
brolin_empeyOr getting a diesel (compression-ignition engine) vehicle even from before 1980.17:06
brolin_empeyMaybe you still use Windows XP because you like SoftICE?17:09
CatButtsI suck at assembler of any kind and I do not know how to operate a debugger17:10
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sicelobecause systemd 'takes over' the entire OS, i guess it could be argued to that it is the best system for mobile phones - since you have one daemon handling nearly everything, :-p22:17
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