IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2019-11-26

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gryhey KotCzarny you got kids too?00:20
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brolin_empeyIs a person who is younger than the N900 qualified to opine about the N900?00:30
gryhe thinks he is; the adults think they're qualified to get angry, too00:32
gryit's one of the most energy wasting reactions with the least impact on the situation00:33
gryand then a minute later the said "adult" talks nicely about how kites or butterflies or $whatever works, as if there was nothing happened with the mobile...00:34
gryhave you tried doing that with your kids? scream at them for unqualified opinions about your nokia mobile, and then a minute later lead an innocent conversation. wait 5 or 15 mins for their next tease, repeat00:35
gryto be fair thats a bit offtopic here, i would be a bit more interested in ways to get pmwiki on a nokia device00:36
gryand that needs php-fastcgi, but i only have php-cgi in the packages00:36
gryand at pmwiki web site i do not see install instructions for lighttpd00:36
brolin_empeyI do not have a child and do not want one.00:37
DocScrutinizer05hey gry!00:37
gryhey DocScrutinizer0500:37
grylong time we did not speak i believe00:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah00:38
gryi had this idea of making a mobile device with no screen, controlled by audio00:38
gryand my sister is getting started on it gradually00:38
grydo we have an offtopic channel somewhere which is not logged publicly?00:38
DocScrutinizer05seems you already found it00:41
brolin_empeygry: Like the (apparently now discontinued) iPod Shuffle?00:43
gryI don't think I am familiar with ipod00:45
DocScrutinizer05'funny' enough there was a suggestion for a similar concept on neo900. To go modular with a main device that has no kbd, no display and not even much of speakers00:46
luke-jrdid Neo900 ever ship?\00:46
DocScrutinizer05lol nope00:46
luke-jris it still a project?00:47
gryah I see where that question came from00:47
DocScrutinizer05Neo900 never reached the number of preorders so it stalled shortly before proto_v200:47
gryI think neo900 ended, and I am not sure whether translating its website to other languages would have helped00:47
gryI had this idea and even cloned its website to my localhost once00:48
grybut that stopped there and then, as I was too busy with homework and relocations etc00:48
grygot a power measurement tool and it looks like nokia n900, while being a full linux computer, uses close to no power00:53
MaxdamantusPresumably the easiest way to make a screen-less mobile would be to just take the screen off an N900 or something (and obviously come up with some other cover for the exposed PCB)00:53
DocScrutinizer05gry: don't worry, Neo900 ended because of too long time it took to find layouters and too few preorders to sustain the project01:00
gryyes i thought translating to other languages would have opened non-english preorders01:01
grynot sure how many though01:01
gryif you or someone else decide to make another device i am still willing to help with translations01:01
DocScrutinizer05judging by email we received, asking for details in non-english language, it wouldn't have made any differemce01:01
gryok01:02
DocScrutinizer05sorry nope, I'm done with running a company01:02
DocScrutinizer05alas $trouble isn't done with me yet01:03
gryyep01:03
DocScrutinizer05did you know it costs $$$$ and takes 12 months+ to *shut down* a GmbH?01:03
grythat sounds a tad painful01:04
DocScrutinizer05not just a tad01:04
grythats weird, do they want companies to keep going? :-/01:04
gryi remember maemo became an eV, but i don't recall what happened from there; i think this is less pain01:05
DocScrutinizer05the easiest way is prolly "chaper 11"01:06
DocScrutinizer05chapter*01:06
DocScrutinizer05in German it's "Insolvenz"01:06
grythat sounds like bankrupty style thing01:08
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DocScrutinizer05it is01:11
DocScrutinizer05"alas" Neo900 UH not bankrupt enough for that01:12
DocScrutinizer05UG even01:12
DocScrutinizer05paradox prank01:12
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DocScrutinizer05I'm sure there are ways around that, known by lawyers which cost $$$$ again01:13
DocScrutinizer05conclusion: never even think about running a company if you can't afford a lawyer, an accountant and a sevretary fulltime01:15
DocScrutinizer05secretary*01:15
DocScrutinizer05and a web designer / PR officer01:17
gryyes01:17
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KotCzarnygry: i think if someone configures android for voice actions, then disables screen entirely, it might qualify as no-screen phone08:44
KotCzarnylistening for audio commands all the time eats battery though08:45
KotCzarnyas for n900, it uses ~9mA in idle (screen off, but ready to receive calls or events)08:45
KotCzarnymore if you have some program running all the time08:45
KotCzarnyhttps://www.cnx-software.com/2019/11/26/pocket-popcorn-computer-handheld-linux-computer-improved-pocketchip/08:55
KotCzarnyhar har, n810 successor? ;)08:55
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