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| gry | hey KotCzarny you got kids too? | 00:20 |
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| brolin_empey | Is a person who is younger than the N900 qualified to opine about the N900? | 00:30 |
| gry | he thinks he is; the adults think they're qualified to get angry, too | 00:32 |
| gry | it's one of the most energy wasting reactions with the least impact on the situation | 00:33 |
| gry | and then a minute later the said "adult" talks nicely about how kites or butterflies or $whatever works, as if there was nothing happened with the mobile... | 00:34 |
| gry | have you tried doing that with your kids? scream at them for unqualified opinions about your nokia mobile, and then a minute later lead an innocent conversation. wait 5 or 15 mins for their next tease, repeat | 00:35 |
| gry | to be fair thats a bit offtopic here, i would be a bit more interested in ways to get pmwiki on a nokia device | 00:36 |
| gry | and that needs php-fastcgi, but i only have php-cgi in the packages | 00:36 |
| gry | and at pmwiki web site i do not see install instructions for lighttpd | 00:36 |
| brolin_empey | I do not have a child and do not want one. | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey gry! | 00:37 |
| gry | hey DocScrutinizer05 | 00:37 |
| gry | long time we did not speak i believe | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 00:38 |
| gry | i had this idea of making a mobile device with no screen, controlled by audio | 00:38 |
| gry | and my sister is getting started on it gradually | 00:38 |
| gry | do we have an offtopic channel somewhere which is not logged publicly? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems you already found it | 00:41 |
| brolin_empey | gry: Like the (apparently now discontinued) iPod Shuffle? | 00:43 |
| gry | I don't think I am familiar with ipod | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'funny' enough there was a suggestion for a similar concept on neo900. To go modular with a main device that has no kbd, no display and not even much of speakers | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | did Neo900 ever ship?\ | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol nope | 00:46 |
| luke-jr | is it still a project? | 00:47 |
| gry | ah I see where that question came from | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 never reached the number of preorders so it stalled shortly before proto_v2 | 00:47 |
| gry | I think neo900 ended, and I am not sure whether translating its website to other languages would have helped | 00:47 |
| gry | I had this idea and even cloned its website to my localhost once | 00:48 |
| gry | but that stopped there and then, as I was too busy with homework and relocations etc | 00:48 |
| gry | got a power measurement tool and it looks like nokia n900, while being a full linux computer, uses close to no power | 00:53 |
| Maxdamantus | Presumably the easiest way to make a screen-less mobile would be to just take the screen off an N900 or something (and obviously come up with some other cover for the exposed PCB) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gry: don't worry, Neo900 ended because of too long time it took to find layouters and too few preorders to sustain the project | 01:00 |
| gry | yes i thought translating to other languages would have opened non-english preorders | 01:01 |
| gry | not sure how many though | 01:01 |
| gry | if you or someone else decide to make another device i am still willing to help with translations | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | judging by email we received, asking for details in non-english language, it wouldn't have made any differemce | 01:01 |
| gry | ok | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry nope, I'm done with running a company | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas $trouble isn't done with me yet | 01:03 |
| gry | yep | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you know it costs $$$$ and takes 12 months+ to *shut down* a GmbH? | 01:03 |
| gry | that sounds a tad painful | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not just a tad | 01:04 |
| gry | thats weird, do they want companies to keep going? :-/ | 01:04 |
| gry | i remember maemo became an eV, but i don't recall what happened from there; i think this is less pain | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the easiest way is prolly "chaper 11" | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chapter* | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in German it's "Insolvenz" | 01:06 |
| gry | that sounds like bankrupty style thing | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "alas" Neo900 UH not bankrupt enough for that | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UG even | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paradox prank | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure there are ways around that, known by lawyers which cost $$$$ again | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | conclusion: never even think about running a company if you can't afford a lawyer, an accountant and a sevretary fulltime | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | secretary* | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a web designer / PR officer | 01:17 |
| gry | yes | 01:17 |
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| KotCzarny | gry: i think if someone configures android for voice actions, then disables screen entirely, it might qualify as no-screen phone | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | listening for audio commands all the time eats battery though | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | as for n900, it uses ~9mA in idle (screen off, but ready to receive calls or events) | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | more if you have some program running all the time | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/11/26/pocket-popcorn-computer-handheld-linux-computer-improved-pocketchip/ | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | har har, n810 successor? ;) | 08:55 |
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