IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2019-11-21

sicelowow bencoh! that gst player is great. i think i've used an earlier version of it that you had shared. this one is really nice00:30
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sicelo< sicelo> for my sync question a couple of days ago, i want to try syncevolution(n900) + radicale (server) + davx5 (android/fdroid) for syncing contacts bettween n900 & sgs7  <<<=== this is working well! android's contact application needs different accounts for syncing, with the result that first sync is unintuitive, but afterwards all works as expected.00:45
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xmnsyncevolution is amazing! Makes my n900 useable for every day life.01:47
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brolin_empeyI guess the answer is yes but is the term “letter” as in a form of written correspondence (spelling?) still used even when using a writing system such as Chinese or Japanese that does not use letters?08:43
brolin_empeyI guess in the same way that the term “right of way” is still used even where road traffic is on the left side of the road.08:49
sicelowhat is your syncevolution use case xmn? you're xman on tmo?08:54
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Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: are you asking if people speaking English would use the word "letter" to refer to CJK characters?09:24
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: because most English speakers probably don't spend much time talking about CJK characters.09:25
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: and "letter" is an English word. In the more relevant languages, they're going to use different words which might have different meanings.09:25
MaxdamantusOh, you're asking if English speakers would describe letters written in Chinese as "letters".09:27
MaxdamantusI suspect the answer to that is "yes", but it's not going to be something most people think about.09:28
siceloalso i think (non-native English speaker here) that "right" in 'right of way' does not refer to the right side, but means "right" as something you are entitled to.09:29
MaxdamantusThe words are etymologically related in both cases, but they have fairly distinct meanings for their different uses.09:31
Maxdamantuseg, the notion of "left" and "right" used to correspond to evil/good, sinister/dexter09:32
KotCzarnynope, it was from the times where people travelled on horses09:40
KotCzarnyand there was left-lane convention09:41
KotCzarnyright hand was for holding the weapon09:41
MaxdamantusThat explains which side of the road people drive on (arguably), but it doesn't explain the connection between "right of way" and "right (direction)"09:42
KotCzarnywell, when cars were invented, it was forcibly standardized09:42
MaxdamantusI don't think "right of way" has ever referred particularly to the direction.09:42
KotCzarnyfor some other reason09:42
Maxdamantusalso, "right of way" doesn't even mean "which side of the road"09:43
KotCzarnybut the generic term 'right of way' comes from the horsies era09:43
KotCzarnyand as always, google helps to find etymology of that sentence09:44
Maxdamantusbut how much does "right of way" even have to do with "right (direction)"?09:44
MaxdamantusCurrently in countries that drive on the right, you tend to have the right of way if you're turning right.09:45
KotCzarnynever said that it came from the right/left. only said it was related to horsies09:45
Maxdamantusbut that's based on standardised rules (and to some extent, geometry).09:45
brolin_empeyI did not include the Korean language in my list of example languages that do not use an alphabet because my understanding as a Westerner but who has studied languages and writing systems is that the Korean language has multiple writing systems, specifically at least Hangul and Hanja but I thought that at least Hangul is closer to being like an alphabet than the Chinese writing system using Chinese characters/ideograms because I thought Hangul has much fewer09:46
brolin_empey written symbols than something like the Chinese language but I last studied the Korean language too long ago to be certain about this stuff.09:46
Maxdamantuseg, in NZ we've always driven on the left, but until recently, right-turning traffic had the right of way.09:46
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: I think Japanese/Korean are kind of in a similar state there. Both have some sort of alphabet, but they also both use Hanzi/Kanji/Hanza.09:48
Maxdamantus(ideographs borrowed from Chinese)09:49
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sicelooh well, whatever the history of the expression may be, in current usage means the one with right of way is entitled to move first. in current usage it doesn't seem to have anything to do with direction.09:55
siceloass meant donkey for aeons. today ...09:55
KotCzarnyhello richard09:57
MaxdamantusPresumably one that goes by "Dick".10:00
KotCzarnywords mutate10:00
KotCzarnylanguage is fluid10:00
KotCzarnyand memes are viruses that mutate it forcibly and fast10:01
KotCzarnyand live long changing other words and meanings on the way10:01
KotCzarnyads are artifically created capitalist memes10:03
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WikiwideWhy does it take so long for Modest to Send&Receive? It doesn't even show "Refreshing"!11:56
WikiwideI have nought in Outbox, so there is no Sending involved, even.11:57
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KotCzarnyssl negotiation and directories listing?12:35
KotCzarnyand checking mail ids12:35
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KotCzarnyhar har14:24
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gamontecarloIs there any remotely recent browser for Maemo 5 on the N900 other than Opera?14:41
APiclynx 😉14:47
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gamontecarloSo PostmarketOS, which coincidentally would have a more recent version of Firefox.15:11
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buZzdoesnt dillo work?16:02
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bencohdillo works17:02
bencohbut it's not the best browser for modern websites (unfortunately)17:02
sicelopostmarketod does nit have firefox on n900, iirc (alpine loves purging stuff, and ff depends on something they currently don't have on ARM, possibly Rust)17:08
sicelotypos ... writing on samsung galaxy, :(17:08
bencohdesktop firefox on n900 would be plain unusable anyway17:12
bencohit's quite awful on droid4 ... I wouldn't even think about running it on n90017:12
sunshavisicelo: rust is installe on my opi+2e which is arm17:12
bencoh(well, on droid4 it's more okayish than awful ... but not great)17:12
sicelowhat about recent fennec, bencoh ?17:13
sicelosunshavi: i don't recall exact missing dependency, but iirc there's no FF for ARM in Alpine currently17:14
sunshavithat is weird. ff works on archlinux arm aka alarm17:15
sicelothere used to be, however, hence there are a couple of screenshots showing FF on pmOS devices17:15
sicelosunshavi: alpine/pmos is quick to remove stuff, so i don't find that weird (anymore)17:20
siceloFF only available on x86_64 and aarch64,
sunshaviperhaps nobody is compiling it for 32 bits17:26
siceloso yes, it is Rust ..18:21
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tdlnxQuestion: I recently dug out my n900 (last used in 2014) - is there still a community keeping this thing useful?19:40
KotCzarnygoogle about maemo-leste19:40
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CatButtsI was gonna ask if theoretically, windows 10 could be coaxed to run on an n90022:34
CatButtsbut I realize UEFI requirement is showstopper22:34
CatButtsfor shits and giggles23:05
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