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| Wikiwide | I have headache the size of Mariana Trench. | 13:09 |
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| brolin_empey | Oksana: That sounds like a megapain. | 13:24 |
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| Wikiwide | I have headache the size of Mariana Trench. | 13:56 |
| Wikiwide | I just solved a problem by using "lsof | grep deleted" because df wasn't showing correctly that a file was moved from homefs to MyDocs. | 13:57 |
| Wikiwide | But on my way, I had to uninstall pierogi, qtoctave, fettuccini, and other packages. At least, now I have 96MB free on homefs. | 13:58 |
| Wikiwide | It will not last long. Tracker and thumbnails take up lots of space. And so does fennec. | 13:59 |
| Wikiwide | But at least, I have got some breathing space. | 14:00 |
| Wikiwide | It will take a while for tracker to re-index everything... | 14:02 |
| Wikiwide | At least, RC boat seems to work. Even if on/off button is troublesome to the extent of having to remove batteries from the boat in lieu of switching it off. | 14:03 |
| Wikiwide | But it's not waterproof enough to survive underwater adventures. | 14:03 |
| Wikiwide | I wish Fxtec Pro would be shipped already. Librem is depressingly bankrupt - and I haven't even pre-ordered it, and I am already depressed. | 14:04 |
| brolin_empey | Purism is bankrupt? | 14:06 |
| Wikiwide | At least, Dragonbox Pyra seems to be safe from dire financial straits. I hope I shall not call grief onto them by pointing out that so far, they are about the only reliable company amidst modern PDA designers. | 14:06 |
| Wikiwide | brolin_empey: Internet says so. | 14:06 |
| Wikiwide | They have only a handful of prototypes? They haven't delivered devices despite promises? They haven't passed cellular certification? | 14:07 |
| Wikiwide | Their video do not show actual calls being made? Their camera and bluetooth aren't working? | 14:08 |
| brolin_empey | I think that rah was working for Purism? | 14:08 |
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| Wikiwide | No idea. I am just repeating rumours I have seen on the web about Librem | 14:12 |
| Wikiwide | And after failure of Saygus (empty promises, Smaug), Suncorp (bank in Japan, deceptive pyramid of investment), | 14:13 |
| Wikiwide | Neo900 (the great part is, they are open about it, and have released all schematics)... | 14:14 |
| Wikiwide | I am impatient for Pyra and Fxtec Pro1 to restore my faith in the world. | 14:15 |
| Wikiwide | I wouldn't want to see a validation of my suspicion that world has lost skills to make anything valuable. | 14:17 |
| Wikiwide | Part of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block. Saygus tried to pass it, had to adjust antenna, went quiet. Librem hasn't passed certification at all. | 14:19 |
| Wikiwide | Has Fxtec Pro passed the certification yet? What about Pyra? | 14:19 |
| Wikiwide | Tracker is indexing. Halfway through MyDocs. | 14:21 |
| Wikiwide | /me is whining, a lot | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | i will never understand people using any trackerd like solution | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | switch to oscp and be free! | 14:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:21 |
| brolin_empey | Fxtec is in the UK. At least for the USA, I think you can see what has been submitted to or passed by (?) the FCC on the Internet so maybe it is the same in the UK? | 14:22 |
| Wikiwide | oscp is directory based, right? | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but also knows about .m3u | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | so you can prepare your mood/genre lists yourself | 14:23 |
| KotCzarny | with a single iteration of 'find ... >list.m3u' | 14:23 |
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| Wikiwide | How do you detect music's artists, genres, and all the other metadata? | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | on load | 14:24 |
| KotCzarny | and i assume user already categorized his files somehow | 14:24 |
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| brolin_empey | Or her files in this case. | 14:25 |
| Wikiwide | So, on each oscp load, oscp grasps hundreds of files and franticlly tries to process them? | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | my media structure is genre/artist/album/files | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | it stores last loaded playlist | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | and doing ls is cheap on computers | 14:25 |
| KotCzarny | no processing on playlist load/start | 14:25 |
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| Wikiwide | Huh, that's a neat trick... But what if you want to find music of 1980s, any genre, any artist, any album? | 14:27 |
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| KotCzarny | you can prepare your custom .m3u playlist | 14:27 |
| KotCzarny | with some simple script | 14:27 |
| Wikiwide | You basically do trackerd's work manually, and encode the information in fs. | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | i dont | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | because i dont do that | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | but it's a possibility | 14:28 |
| KotCzarny | when i want to play some artist, i navigate to proper dir and just play | 14:28 |
| Wikiwide | You do. Encode not as cipher, but as "let's change filename/filepath to include all the metadata required". | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | nope, more like 'i'll put that album where it should be' | 14:29 |
| KotCzarny | and it's one time work when i add new music | 14:30 |
| KotCzarny | contrary to what trackerd does now on you | 14:30 |
| Wikiwide | It could even be possible to make a software to switch between trackerd way of storage and oscp way of storage. Only, manually is more reliable. | 14:31 |
| KotCzarny | trackerd can play more tricks, but it's not worth it IMO | 14:32 |
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| brolin_empey | Oksana: Wikipedia seems to not say anything suggesting that Purism is bankrupt. Same with the official Purism Web site. Have you seen https://puri.sm/posts/first-librem-5-smartphones-are-shipping/ ? | 14:53 |
| brolin_empey | Hmm, hurrian is not here? | 14:57 |
| brolin_empey | ~seen hurrian | 14:57 |
| infobot | hurrian <~hurrian@unaffiliated/rikanee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 408d 4h 22m 56s ago, saying: 'yeah, LGA775 has Nvidia chipsets, but holy hell they were buggy'. | 14:57 |
| brolin_empey | Yikes, was that already over a year ago? Tempus fugit. | 14:59 |
| brolin_empey | What happened to him (her?)? Has he really been gone for over a year? Apparently no user named hurrian is currently online on freenode but maybe he has been here while infobot was gone? | 15:02 |
| brolin_empey | ~seen rikanee | 15:06 |
| infobot | brolin_empey: i haven't seen 'rikanee' | 15:06 |
| brolin_empey | ~seen god | 15:13 |
| infobot | god <~god@184.90.114.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #devuan, 530d 17h 37m 38s ago, saying: 'Thanks'. | 15:13 |
| brolin_empey | ~seen brolin_empey | 15:14 |
| infobot | brolin_empey is currently on #neo900 #maemo. Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen brolin_empey'. | 15:14 |
| brolin_empey | ~seen infobot | 15:14 |
| infobot | infobot is currently on #webos-internals (1d 20h 57m 41s) #nslu2-linux (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##pxe (1d 20h 57m 41s) #webos-watercooler (1d 20h 57m 41s) #devuan (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##lds (1d 20h 57m 41s) #handhelds (1d 20h 57m 41s) #fredlug (1d 20h 57m 41s) #handhelds-familiar (1d 20h 57m 41s) ##leaguesunited (1d 20h 57m 41s) #metano_linux (1d 20h 57m 41s) #n9 ( | 15:14 |
| rah | brolin_empey: yes, I do work for Purism | 15:18 |
| rah | please note that many people on the Internet talk utter bollocks | 15:18 |
| rah | please take this in reference to Purism and for life in general | 15:19 |
| brolin_empey | Anyway, I wanted to tell hurrian that apparently 16 GiB of DDR4 SDRAM DIMMs (2× 8-GiB) now sells new for as little as 90 CAD but then I guess I would still have to spend hundreds of CAD to buy a new motherboard and CPU that uses DDR4 SDRAM instead of using the LGA775 + DDR2 SDRAM motherboards I already have. | 15:21 |
| brolin_empey | rah: Yes, I realise that (talking bollocks). | 15:24 |
| brolin_empey | Actually, hurrian was suggesting that I buy used DDR3 SDRAM DIMMs so I guess the price of DDR4 SDRAM is not relevant in this context? | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >><Wikiwide> Part of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block.<< Well, building a phone is more involved than a lot of enthusiasts and moneymakers out there think it was | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | i have high hopes for pinephone | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.pine64.org/2019/09/05/september-update-the-pinephone-is-real-shipping-soon/ | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I am missing the OpenHWdocs aspect even getting mentioned by any of those players | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and after Nokia defeated my question about bootloader in Meego inception meeting ("The bootloader is not even a topic for us") and then betrayed community with a tivoized-by-aegis "secure-bootloader" N9 design, I'm *very very* skeptical about all those "we care about our customers, freedom and security" marketing BS-bingo companies | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia lost the sense for proper design and "the right ting" with Quim Gill, I'd think. Other companies seem to never even have such mentor | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "we provide the OS and the source of this is the platform docs" approach is ubiquitous in FOSS and particularly in phone making companies. It's a shame | 17:33 |
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| brolin_empey | Are QNX (BlackBerry 10) and XNU (Apple iOS) the only non-Linux-based *nix OSes used on a “mobile telephone”? I mean BlackBerry 10 is based on QNX and Apple iOS uses the XNU kernel also used by Mac OS X as far as I know. Someone began porting some form of BSD to the OpenMoko GTA02 but I do not know if it (this OS) had cellular telephony capability. | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on GTA02 basically a bash script had "cellular telephony capability" | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cellular data is a tad more tricky | 18:43 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Yes but, if I recall correctly, the only non-Linux-kernel-based OSes on the GTA02 were the BSD port I already mentioned and some other OS that was not based upon a preexisting OS. | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Android? ;-) | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't even recall all the OSes that were indevelopemnt for GTA02. Android prototype implementation was GTA02 iirc | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android has no X11 so I'd not call it a true linux | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 18:48 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: No, Android uses a Linux (2.6 and higher) kernel. This OS was maybe not even a *nix design. I do not remember the name of it but it was released or at least announced in around 2009 or 2010 if I recall correctly. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only know of linux based OS versions developed in or around OM | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there was that Qt abomination that also didn't use X11 | 18:50 |
| brolin_empey | QtMoko? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's likely the name of it | 18:51 |
| brolin_empey | Well, Qtopia AKA Qt Extended Improved, which is used by QtMoko. | 18:51 |
| brolin_empey | If I recall correctly, Qt Extended Improved is the successor to Qtopia? | 18:53 |
| brolin_empey | radekp (Radek Polak) had QtMoko running on the N900 and GTA01 in addition to the primary platform of the GTA02. | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer05: allwinner a64 is mostly mainlined by community | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | also, pine folks upload schematics too | 18:55 |
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| sicelo | talking about android and x11, i wonder if we'll see wayland adaptations for android | 22:28 |
| sicelo | brolin_empey: https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2019/10/the-sad-saga-of-purism-and-the-librem-5-part-1 is one of the sites that seems to 'prove' that things aren't looking good for Purism. maybe he's reading the facts wrong, but ... it looks like he's correct | 22:29 |
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