IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2019-10-29

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WikiwideI have headache the size of Mariana Trench.13:09
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brolin_empeyOksana: That sounds like a megapain.13:24
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WikiwideI have headache the size of Mariana Trench.13:56
WikiwideI just solved a problem by using "lsof | grep deleted" because df wasn't showing correctly that a file was moved from homefs to MyDocs.13:57
WikiwideBut on my way, I had to uninstall pierogi, qtoctave, fettuccini, and other packages. At least, now I have 96MB free on homefs.13:58
WikiwideIt will not last long. Tracker and thumbnails take up lots of space. And so does fennec.13:59
WikiwideBut at least, I have got some breathing space.14:00
WikiwideIt will take a while for tracker to re-index everything...14:02
WikiwideAt least, RC boat seems to work. Even if on/off button is troublesome to the extent of having to remove batteries from the boat in lieu of switching it off.14:03
WikiwideBut it's not waterproof enough to survive underwater adventures.14:03
WikiwideI wish Fxtec Pro would be shipped already. Librem is depressingly bankrupt - and I haven't even pre-ordered it, and I am already depressed.14:04
brolin_empeyPurism is bankrupt?14:06
WikiwideAt least, Dragonbox Pyra seems to be safe from dire financial straits. I hope I shall not call grief onto them by pointing out that so far, they are about the only reliable company amidst modern PDA designers.14:06
Wikiwidebrolin_empey: Internet says so.14:06
WikiwideThey have only a handful of prototypes? They haven't delivered devices despite promises? They haven't passed cellular certification?14:07
WikiwideTheir video do not show actual calls being made? Their camera and bluetooth aren't working?14:08
brolin_empeyI think that rah was working for Purism?14:08
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WikiwideNo idea. I am just repeating rumours I have seen on the web about Librem14:12
WikiwideAnd after failure of Saygus (empty promises, Smaug), Suncorp (bank in Japan, deceptive pyramid of investment),14:13
WikiwideNeo900 (the great part is, they are open about it, and have released all schematics)...14:14
WikiwideI am impatient for Pyra and Fxtec Pro1 to restore my faith in the world.14:15
WikiwideI wouldn't want to see a validation of my suspicion that world has lost skills to make anything valuable.14:17
WikiwidePart of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block. Saygus tried to pass it, had to adjust antenna, went quiet. Librem hasn't passed certification at all.14:19
WikiwideHas Fxtec Pro passed the certification yet? What about Pyra?14:19
WikiwideTracker is indexing. Halfway through MyDocs.14:21
Wikiwide/me is whining, a lot14:21
KotCzarnyi will never understand people using any trackerd like solution14:21
KotCzarnyswitch to oscp and be free!14:21
brolin_empeyFxtec is in the UK.  At least for the USA, I think you can see what has been submitted to or passed by (?) the FCC on the Internet so maybe it is the same in the UK?14:22
Wikiwideoscp is directory based, right?14:23
KotCzarnyyes, but also knows about .m3u14:23
KotCzarnyso you can prepare your mood/genre lists yourself14:23
KotCzarnywith a single iteration of 'find ... >list.m3u'14:23
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WikiwideHow do you detect music's artists, genres, and all the other metadata?14:24
KotCzarnyon load14:24
KotCzarnyand i assume user already categorized his files somehow14:24
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brolin_empeyOr her files in this case.14:25
WikiwideSo, on each oscp load, oscp grasps hundreds of files and franticlly tries to process them?14:25
KotCzarnymy media structure is genre/artist/album/files14:25
KotCzarnyit stores last loaded playlist14:25
KotCzarnyand doing ls is cheap on computers14:25
KotCzarnyno processing on playlist load/start14:25
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WikiwideHuh, that's a neat trick... But what if you want to find music of 1980s, any genre, any artist, any album?14:27
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KotCzarnyyou can prepare your custom .m3u playlist14:27
KotCzarnywith some simple script14:27
WikiwideYou basically do trackerd's work manually, and encode the information in fs.14:28
KotCzarnyi dont14:28
KotCzarnybecause i dont do that14:28
KotCzarnybut it's a possibility14:28
KotCzarnywhen i want to play some artist, i navigate to proper dir and just play14:28
WikiwideYou do. Encode not as cipher, but as "let's change filename/filepath to include all the metadata required".14:29
KotCzarnynope, more like 'i'll put that album where it should be'14:29
KotCzarnyand it's one time work when i add new music14:30
KotCzarnycontrary to what trackerd does now on you14:30
WikiwideIt could even be possible to make a software to switch between trackerd way of storage and oscp way of storage. Only, manually is more reliable.14:31
KotCzarnytrackerd can play more tricks, but it's not worth it IMO14:32
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brolin_empeyOksana: Wikipedia seems to not say anything suggesting that Purism is bankrupt.  Same with the official Purism Web site.  Have you seen ?14:53
brolin_empeyHmm, hurrian is not here?14:57
brolin_empey~seen hurrian14:57
infobothurrian <~hurrian@unaffiliated/rikanee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 408d 4h 22m 56s ago, saying: 'yeah, LGA775 has Nvidia chipsets, but holy hell they were buggy'.14:57
brolin_empeyYikes, was that already over a year ago?  Tempus fugit.14:59
brolin_empeyWhat happened to him (her?)?  Has he really been gone for over a year?  Apparently no user named hurrian is currently online on freenode but maybe he has been here while infobot was gone?15:02
brolin_empey~seen rikanee15:06
infobotbrolin_empey: i haven't seen 'rikanee'15:06
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infobotbrolin_empey is currently on #neo900 #maemo. Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen brolin_empey'.15:14
brolin_empey~seen infobot15:14
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rahbrolin_empey: yes, I do work for Purism15:18
rahplease note that many people on the Internet talk utter bollocks15:18
rahplease take this in reference to Purism and for life in general15:19
brolin_empeyAnyway, I wanted to tell hurrian that apparently 16 GiB of DDR4 SDRAM DIMMs (2× 8-GiB) now sells new for as little as 90 CAD but then I guess I would still have to spend hundreds of CAD to buy a new motherboard and CPU that uses DDR4 SDRAM instead of using the LGA775 + DDR2 SDRAM motherboards I already have.15:21
brolin_empeyrah: Yes, I realise that (talking bollocks).15:24
brolin_empeyActually, hurrian was suggesting that I buy used DDR3 SDRAM DIMMs so I guess the price of DDR4 SDRAM is not relevant in this context?15:29
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DocScrutinizer05>><Wikiwide> Part of problem is, certification seems to be a significant stumbling block.<< Well, building a phone is more involved than a lot of enthusiasts and moneymakers out there think it was17:19
KotCzarnyi have high hopes for pinephone17:19
DocScrutinizer05I am missing the OpenHWdocs aspect even getting mentioned by any of those players17:25
DocScrutinizer05and after Nokia defeated my question about bootloader in Meego inception meeting ("The bootloader is not even a topic for us") and then betrayed community with a tivoized-by-aegis "secure-bootloader" N9 design, I'm *very very* skeptical about all those "we care about our customers, freedom and security" marketing BS-bingo companies17:29
DocScrutinizer05Nokia lost the sense for proper design and "the right ting" with Quim Gill, I'd think. Other companies seem to never even have such mentor17:31
DocScrutinizer05the "we provide the OS and the source of this is the platform docs" approach is ubiquitous in FOSS and particularly in phone making companies. It's a shame17:33
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brolin_empeyAre QNX (BlackBerry 10) and XNU (Apple iOS) the only non-Linux-based *nix OSes used on a “mobile telephone”?  I mean BlackBerry 10 is based on QNX and Apple iOS uses the XNU kernel also used by Mac OS X as far as I know.  Someone began porting some form of BSD to the OpenMoko GTA02 but I do not know if it (this OS) had cellular telephony capability.18:36
DocScrutinizer05on GTA02 basically a bash script had "cellular telephony capability"18:41
DocScrutinizer05cellular data is a tad more tricky18:43
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Yes but, if I recall correctly, the only non-Linux-kernel-based OSes on the GTA02 were the BSD port I already mentioned and some other OS that was not based upon a preexisting OS.18:44
DocScrutinizer05Android? ;-)18:45
DocScrutinizer05I can't even recall all the OSes that were indevelopemnt for GTA02. Android prototype implementation was GTA02 iirc18:47
DocScrutinizer05android has no X11 so I'd not call it a true linux18:48
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: No, Android uses a Linux (2.6 and higher) kernel.  This OS was maybe not even a *nix design.  I do not remember the name of it but it was released or at least announced in around 2009 or 2010 if I recall correctly.18:48
DocScrutinizer05I only know of linux based OS versions developed in or around OM18:49
DocScrutinizer05there was that Qt abomination that also didn't use X1118:50
DocScrutinizer05that's likely the name of it18:51
brolin_empeyWell, Qtopia AKA Qt Extended Improved, which is used by QtMoko.18:51
brolin_empeyIf I recall correctly, Qt Extended Improved is the successor to Qtopia?18:53
brolin_empeyradekp (Radek Polak) had QtMoko running on the N900 and GTA01 in addition to the primary platform of the GTA02.18:54
KotCzarnyDocScrutinizer05: allwinner a64 is mostly mainlined by community18:55
KotCzarnyalso, pine folks upload schematics too18:55
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sicelotalking about android and x11, i wonder if we'll see wayland adaptations for android22:28
sicelobrolin_empey: is one of the sites that seems to 'prove' that things aren't looking good for Purism. maybe he's reading the facts wrong, but ... it looks like he's correct22:29
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