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| timeless | Ok, installing the right pairing of firmware got management working | 01:24 |
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| timeless | And now i'm back to the stupid software sending me an email every 10 mins complaining the battery is bad | 01:49 |
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| sunshavi | Hi docscrutinizer51: If I would like to use a couple of batteries {one a polarcell and the other a chinese battery} after doing the charge-cycle y could store the values for reusing it later. When putting the other brand battery? and not repeating the charg-cycle again | 07:21 |
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| sicelo | afaik that's not possible. | 08:15 |
| sunshavi | Hi sicelo | 08:18 |
| sunshavi | mmm. too bad for me | 08:18 |
| sunshavi | anyway. I am going to do it now. my phone (now table without modem working). It has been waiting for me almost a month fully charged | 08:19 |
| sunshavi | sicelo: is this the procedure? | 08:20 |
| sunshavi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 | 08:20 |
| sicelo | yes | 08:21 |
| sunshavi | sicelo: thanks. I am going to do it | 08:28 |
| sunshavi | i was thinking it's juist one cycle. But they are five | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | or just use it and stop worrying about it? | 08:40 |
| sunshavi | as it is the device turn off without any notification. I need it to tell me when it have 5% capacity | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | let it turn off few times, and charge, it will calibrate on use? | 08:43 |
| sunshavi | It has not happened in the past | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | you probably need to be careful when it goes down to ~10% then | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | then do the correct discharge end and start charging before it powersoff itself | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | ie. try not to induce high usage below 10% | 08:46 |
| sunshavi | "correct discharge" is with "bq27200.sh"? | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | just to observe when it triggers cycle end | 08:47 |
| sunshavi | ok. btw my new phone is a nokia 1208b from 2007. :) | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | huh :) | 08:48 |
| sicelo | and my daily is a Nokia N-Gage from 2003 (plus the N900) | 08:48 |
| sicelo | :P | 08:48 |
| sunshavi | sicelo: that's is my case now the n900-tablet and the 1208 | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | if you are going feature phone, why not 3310 ? ;) | 08:49 |
| sunshavi | 3310-2017 edition? | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | nope, the original | 08:49 |
| sunshavi | or the classic one? | 08:49 |
| sunshavi | well. That would be nice. But the 2017 edition has 16 Gb mem anb bt ;) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | bah, it's still a feature phone ;) | 08:50 |
| sunshavi | the most important piece for me is the keyboard | 08:51 |
| sunshavi | even the 1208 (which I have just undusted) has a nice keyboard and has snake also | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:51 |
| sunshavi | my 3310 was a CDMA :( | 08:52 |
| sunshavi | three days of battery life on my 1208 on the bright side | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | a bit low for a feature phone? | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | unless it runs droid? | 08:53 |
| sunshavi | so n900 guys be jealous of me. :p. It is just a joke | 08:53 |
| sunshavi | lol. droid on the 1208?. it does not have a usb conn | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| sunshavi | reading sms on it. it's a pain | 08:54 |
| sunshavi | I miss conversations | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it was nice invention | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | to sort sms by recipient | 08:55 |
| sunshavi | but the thing i like most about the 1208 it's the dpad. Nokia should had kept it on the n900 | 08:55 |
| sicelo | 3310 - cdma? well it worked on our non-cdma network here | 08:56 |
| sunshavi | 3310 was in two versions CDMA and GSM | 08:56 |
| sunshavi | OMG. 1 am here. See You later guys | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:00 |
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| KotCzarny | https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/06/software-development-librem-5-pinephone-linux-phones/ | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | darn, 150$ mainline linux phone? | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | what's not to like | 10:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no keyboard | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | i think they have kb as a dock or something | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 11:25 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe it was for their laptop thing | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. no hwkb is an issue, still nice for software side | 11:26 |
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| brolin_empey | Why do credit card companies have such lame and crappy Web sites for their customers? Sigh. | 12:03 |
| Maxdamantus | Why would anyone use a credit card anyway? | 12:07 |
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| brolin_empey | Because the alternative is Interac, which allows someone to directly withdraw money from my chequeing account when someone skims the PIN for my account. | 12:13 |
| Maxdamantus | Can't you just get a visa debit card from your bank? | 12:15 |
| brolin_empey | I dislike using cash. I like electronic commerce. | 12:15 |
| Maxdamantus | So using a debit card counts as using cash? | 12:16 |
| mickname | My visa credit card is managed through my banks web site, which is pretty ok. | 12:17 |
| Maxdamantus | When I say "visa debit card", I mean something that people might simply refer to as a "credit card" | 12:17 |
| brolin_empey | I do not think I can and I use a credit union, not a bank. In my experience, a normal credit card is still required because some merchants still do not accept Visa Debit. I know this because my company has a Visa Debit card but they sometimes have to use my personal credit card account because Visa Debit is not always accepted. | 12:18 |
| mickname | And yeah, makes sense to always use credit instead of debit as of crouse it's better to pay everythiong as late as possible as the money can be invested ;) | 12:18 |
| Maxdamantus | but the point is it just takes money out of your bank account, instead of using some balance in some third-party company that needs to make a profit off you, through high interest rates or fees or something. | 12:19 |
| Maxdamantus | afaik interest rates on credit cards are much higher than, eg, mortgage interest rates. | 12:20 |
| brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: I began writing my reply before I received your reply. | 12:20 |
| Maxdamantus | so if you want to invest that money, you'd be better off just withholding it from something else (eg, your mortgage, if you have one). | 12:20 |
| mickname | I mean I'm paying my credit card bill off in full every time, I just need to pay for my expenses ~month later than what I actually purchased them on, so that money can be used for useful purposes meanwhile | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's a trap. | 12:22 |
| mickname | The expenses from the credit card are thus ~3 eur / month, which would be the same as a plain credit card anyways | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | while many people will use it reasonably, it's a trap for dumber/weaker ones | 12:22 |
| mickname | Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that if you don't have regular income | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | it's a disease that will eat up parts of the body (society) | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | and in the end it will affect even the reasonable ones | 12:24 |
| brolin_empey | I do not own anything more valuable than my car. (Residential) real estate is completely unaffordable to buy here. | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | Assuming mortgage rates are about 4%, €3/month is equivalent to keeping an extra €1000 in the bank instead of paying it into the mortgage. | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | well, €900 | 12:25 |
| Maxdamantus | so unless you're using it for a buffer of more than €900, it's probably not worth it. | 12:26 |
| Maxdamantus | or unless you can't get a card in other ways without paying an extra fee. | 12:26 |
| Maxdamantus | afaik debit visa cards are normally just a standard thing you get with a bank account here. | 12:27 |
| mickname | Yeah it's not "really" worth it, but it costs the same as a regular debit card so no point of not taking use of it | 12:27 |
| mickname | And I used average yearly returns on investment of 7% and 1000 eur of balance on average on the card. | 12:29 |
| Maxdamantus | I wonder why the credit card company doesn't just invest that money then. | 12:32 |
| mickname | There are enough people at their limit only paying off the minimum amount at 10% yearly interest | 12:32 |
| mickname | And they take a huge slice of every purchase anyways | 12:33 |
| mickname | (One reason I actually disliek credit cards is the hidden tranaction fees. I feel bad for the merchants of how much they lose on each purchase...) | 12:34 |
| Maxdamantus | from what I've seen of online stores here, they tend to just add the 2.5% to the price if you pay by visa card (instead of eg, bank transfer) | 12:35 |
| mickname | At least some of the cc companies and for example paypal forbid doing that. Some merchants circumvent that by giving you a -2% if you purchase using some other method :) | 12:36 |
| mickname | So I haven't seen that practice around... | 12:37 |
| mickname | If I actually had to pay more using a cc, I probably wouldn't use it at all. Maybe for the insurance some times. | 12:38 |
| mickname | Oh well, that kind of insurance doesn't seem to be universal for credit cards and it's also available when paying with debit :| | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | visa/mastercard are greedy | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | their prices for transactions go steadily up | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | local banks here decided to invest in own instant payment system based on phone apps for that reason | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention that for a few years there is a monthly fee for the card | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | earlier it was ~6usd/year, now it's ~3usd/month | 12:46 |
| KotCzarny | the bigger they are, the greedier they become | 12:46 |
| Maxdamantus | So I guess the problem is that whatever mickname is doing with his credit cards, someone else is paying the €25 in transaction fees for the €1000 he's presumably borrowing every month. | 12:48 |
| mickname | Can't argue with that :) | 12:48 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe they need to make the practice of lowering the price for credit card users illegal. | 12:49 |
| Maxdamantus | since it's essentially a fee that all the merchants have to pay to stay in business. | 12:50 |
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| Maxdamantus | (a fee that goes to visa/mastercard, obviously, who presumably operate as a cartel here) | 12:50 |
| Maxdamantus | (or equivalently, make it legal to charge less when people pay through other means) | 12:52 |
| mickname | yeah, that makes sense. | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | who would do that | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | they are big already | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | and economic wars/battles are a thing | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | offtopic: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=warnings-of-world-wide-worm-attacks-are-the-real-deal-20877 | 12:53 |
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| KotCzarny | ka-b00m | 12:54 |
| Maxdamantus | imo the government should provide those sorts of services. | 12:54 |
| Maxdamantus | if anyone is allowed to incur a 2.5% flat tax on essentially all consumer transactions, it should be the government, not private corporations. | 12:55 |
| Maxdamantus | (though if the government provided that service, it doesn't have to be based on a flat tax) | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | there is no government anymore, they are just bussinessmen with legal tools | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | and law depends on the lobbists and moneys | 12:57 |
| Maxdamantus | Oh yeah, forgot for a minute that the US is an oligopoly. | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | it's world wide | 12:58 |
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