IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2019-04-05

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brolin_empeyI somehow managed to miss the news that Apple tries to screw its customers who try to disassemble Apple products by using an unusual type of screw.  I guess the Apple fanpersons try to hide this fact.08:27
VajbThey should use nails, no head no tampering.09:10
KotCzarnyor just weld things together09:11
KotCzarnyas a bonus, more dust resistant!09:12
brolin_empeyNails have a head.09:15
KotCzarnySOME HAVE09:15
brolin_empeyIs it feasible to use an LTE or LTE-A cellular modem as a fax modem?09:17
KotCzarnyis it possible that you have too much time ?09:17
brolin_empeys/time/free time/09:18
brolin_empeyUsually I can use the POTS line at my office to send a fax but these lines are temporarily down but I still have an LTE or LTE-A cellular modem so my question is pragmatic in this case because I need to send a fax.09:21
brolin_empeyI discovered pentalobe screws today only because I know someone IRL whose Apple iPhone needs a new battery.09:27
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sixwheeledbeastI have a head but I don't believe it unscrews...09:36
KotCzarnyit does09:36
KotCzarnyonly once09:36
KotCzarnyand you have 2 heads at least09:36
KotCzarnyso can be tried twice09:36
sixwheeledbeastGood to know there is some redundancy there then if I break this one. AFAIK to unscrew implies there is a thread that can be adjusted?09:39
KotCzarnythen term 'screwing someone' is used incorrectly with humans, i guess09:40
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sixwheeledbeastMaybe the term is from ducks.09:41
KotCzarnyyou mean pigs09:41
KotCzarnybut still09:41
sixwheeledbeastWell I meant ducks but I suppose other animals have similar09:42
KotCzarnycheck out pigs then09:42
KotCzarnyyou will be amazed09:42
Vajbscrewing pigs sounds wrong from the start09:50
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KotCzarnydrop the prejudice, educate yourself09:54
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sixwheeledbeastInterference fit doesn't quite have the same sound as screwing.09:55
KotCzarnybeing too loose also lowers the fun09:56
KotCzarnyand sometimes prevents it altogether09:56
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KotCzarnybeing too big also prevents the fun10:19
KotCzarnytool has to fit the task10:19
DocScrutinizer05you generally can't do FAX via GDM codec at all. Via .711(?) (16bit 8kHz) it should work. And finally there's a specail T.??? protocol made for FAX. So it depends what codec your device and far end negotiate10:50
DocScrutinizer05headline looks to be on topic, didn't check at all:
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brolin_empeyI did my own research, redd some discussions on Quora, found this Android application:11:53
brolin_empeyIt is interesting because it sounds like I do not have to subscribe to a paid service I will barely use but why is this application 51 MiB? 0_o  I think my question was phrased too theoretically.  I should have asked: Is it feasible to use the LTE or LTE-A cellular connectivity on my handheld computer running the Android OS to send a fax instead of using a fax modem with a POTS line or using some type of gateway to send a fax over the Internet to a fax11:53
brolin_empeyserver?  I can walk from my home to a business that offers fax sending and receiving service but I have no idea what they charge for this service.11:53
bencohthere are quite a 'lot' of internet FAX service providers, yeah11:54
bencohmost just require you to register/prepay and allow you to upload a pdf/image file11:55
bencohsome ISPs also provide this service for 'free' (or a minimum charging fee)11:55
bencoh(usually those ISPs also provide phone services)11:56
brolin_empeyUsually I could just use a POTS line at my office to send a fax but our POTS is temporarily suspended.12:00
brolin_empeyI caught myself after I wrote “POTS service”, heh.12:01
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sixwheeledbeastHappens with a lot of acronyms especially those that end in S like service or system for example.12:44
sixwheeledbeastSIPS system. Side Impact protection System, System.12:44
sixwheeledbeastABS system. Anti-lock Brake system, system.12:45
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sixwheeledbeastFor some reason there are more vehicular ones coming to mind at the moment.12:54
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KotCzarnyi wonder if 'no sim' could be caused by that little slot side pin oxidation14:27
KotCzarnyrecently i was getting nosim again, and looked at it closely14:27
KotCzarnyseems like contact could be getting worse over the years, i've cleaned it a little and bend tiny bit upwards14:28
KotCzarnylets see how it fares in the next few weeks/months14:28
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VajbI doubt the side pin does anything but grounds the sim dock.15:09
KotCzarnyimo it's a safety measure so it wont get powered while open etc15:11
KotCzarnyas it's specifically springed to act when it gets closed15:12
KotCzarnytry putting tiny piece of paper during closing to check if modem acts with 'no sim' on boot15:12
Vajboh, didn't think it would work like that but that is possible.15:16
Vajbno need for checking now ;)15:16
KotCzarnyit might be also just gpio pin signalling open/close without any circuitry over that15:16
KotCzarnyhard to know without schematics15:16
Vajbbut also hard to open that switch without removing battery15:17
KotCzarnythat's the funny part15:17
KotCzarnywhat function it has?15:17
Vajbbut it could be some "just in case" method if the device is tested in a r&d bench without battery15:18
Vajbif such thing ever existed15:18
Vajbor is it excisted?15:18
KotCzarnybut yeah, those exist15:19
KotCzarnyie. some risers that you can plug serial port underneath battery15:19
Vajbthats the only function that I can think of it15:19
KotCzarnyanyway, 'grounding' function of the pin is unlikely as the whole slot is made from metal anyway15:24
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zenev0why my n9 will black out after i turned off the als15:26
Vajbinteresting like15:27
zenev0when i lock the screen then i can't unlock it again15:28
Vajblooks a bit like tv shop "do you suffer of broken usb port"...15:28
Vajbzenev0: I dont have N9, sorry.15:28
Vajbis there dedicated channel for N9?15:29
zenev0if there was i would appreciate15:30
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KotCzarnyask a question and leave, thats not how irc works, heh15:31
Vajbmaybe he went to find one...15:32
KotCzarnyanyway, do you suffer 'nosim/no network' syndrome on your n900?15:32
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VajbKotCzarny: not anymore. I switched to my spare n90015:41
KotCzarnydo you still have the quirky one?15:41
Vajbbut old one knew the trick15:42
KotCzarnymaybe you could put some spare sim in it to test the pin theory15:44
Vajbwe'll see, but I dont promise ;)ä15:50
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DocScrutinizer05>>The X210 is a strange machine. A set of Chinese enthusiasts developed a series of motherboards that slot into old Thinkpad chassis, providing significantly more up to date hardware.<<   and a nice detail: >>The other fun thing about it is that none of the firmware flashing protection is enabled, including Intel Boot Guard.<<18:51
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r00t-homeinterestingn read, that signal handling article... i'd maybe add: it's rare and maybe bad practice to call interactive programs from scripts, the handling inside scripts mostly applies to scripts called by other scripts, and even when not killing oneself in the signal handler, good practice would be to exit with error status (not success), and then good practivce for a calling script would in most cases be to abort19:01
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buZzDocScrutinizer05: whats strange about it?19:18
buZzoh, they confused X201 and X210 there? :P (x210 didnt exist)19:19
DocScrutinizer05you looked at ?19:20
buZzah, its about 51nb's modelnumber19:20
buZzbut , x210 isnt a -machine-19:20
buZzits just a collection mods to x20119:21
DocScrutinizer05X210 is to X201 what Neo900 is to N90019:22
buZzinteresting part is mostly the irrelevance :P not many ppl voluntary pay ~900 euro for a motherboard for a ancient laptop ;)19:22
buZzprobably less 51nb customers then neo900 ones :P19:22
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DocScrutinizer05the openness might be worth it19:24
DocScrutinizer05alas [5 Apr 2019 17:46:04] <L29Ah> too bad the X210 guy won't answer my pleas about low level docs/source code, so i have to reverse engineer to fix its faults19:25
DocScrutinizer05buZz: I just wonder if you're aware I just quoted. I never said X210 is a machine. Or anything else in that regard19:27
buZzok, your paste did ;)19:28
KotCzarnyi guess quite important bit is disabled mei with coreboot?19:29
KotCzarnyor it's deeper than that?19:29
DocScrutinizer05good question19:30
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KotCzarnyWhy not Libreboot? Because modern Intel SoCs haven't had their memory initialisation code reverse engineered, so the only way to boot them is to use the proprietary Intel Firmware Support Package19:34
KotCzarnywhy the hell is such thing kept closed/19:34
KotCzarnyand it includes arm systems too19:35
KotCzarnyalso interesting bit from comments:19:37
KotCzarnyNo implied judgement here, but may I ask out of curiosity why you copyrighted your files "Copyright (C) 2018 Google Inc."? Was this work you did for Google (which would surprise me a bit).19:37
KotCzarnyAs a US-based employee of Google, Google assert that they own all software I develop (even in my own time)19:37
DocScrutinizer05[5 Apr 2019 18:36:55] <L29Ah> but it's convenient to also use me_cleaner during coreboot installation19:40
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