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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Seem to have intermittent keyboard backlight issue starting is it likely to be the main ribbon again or is there some magnet control for that? | 00:53 |
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| sicelo | cu | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/12/if-your-privacy-is-the-hands-of-others-alone-you-dont-have-any/ | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | privacy? whats that? | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: kbd backlight is unrelated to FPC/flex. It's controlled vy a magnet in display slider that gets sensed by a hall sensor roughly above the "O" key iirc | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the magnet is basically at edge of display slide and positions next to hall when slide is completely open | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not unheard that magnet getting loose | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh kbd backlight gets controlled by 6 of the LP5523 channels, while the remaining 3 channels control the RGB indicator LED | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.h. fcam might fsck up both indicator light and jbd backlight | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g.* | 07:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: it's MCE which controls the backlight, you might want to have an eye on it and what it does (which "files" it reads and which I2C commands it sends to LP5523) - strace might be your best friend | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: actually what's the problem exactly? "intermittent kbd backlight" sounds like hard to detect since the kbd BL already acts pretty weird in regular operation | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ dang | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck is wromng with my irc client nick completion? | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dman konversation is supposed to replace a plain <TAB> by most recently used nickname completion. However it doesn't. While I evidently used sixwheeledbeast^ last time, it gives me sicelo | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DocScrutinizer05: | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DocScrutinizer05: | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tzz now it works | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE 5 is a FSCKNG RNG | 08:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: MCE will shut down backlight when ambient light is too high | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: the ALS has an annoying similarity to a camera with tele lens. Sitting in a pretty dark room the ALS might think you're in bright daylight since the ALS points to the tiny bright spot of a light bulb | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: though the opposite is more usually to be seen, your device is brighly illuminated from e.g, sun shining in through a window, but ALS thinks it's pitch black night time since it looks to the black painted ceiling | 08:53 |
| Maxdamantus | as for the input used by mce to determine whether to turn the backlight on/off, I imagine it would be the "slide" gpio. | 08:55 |
| Maxdamantus | the state of that can be read at /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state | 08:55 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm pretty sure I've stopped mce from responding to gpio states by just mounting regular files over those nodes in sysfs, so it probably just reads/polls that file. | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: >>privacy? whats that?<< I think that's an incredibly good question, much better than you thought when you asked it | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:58 |
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| Maxdamantus | on the device that I'm currently using, the slide gpio wasn't working from the time I got it, so the backlight doesn't come on, and it doesn't wake up when opening the slide. | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | most people just think of it as a cellar where one does his/hers hobbies | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | without marketers ringing all the time and police looking over, no matter if you do legal or less legal things | 09:01 |
| Maxdamantus | on my device the hall sensor also doesn't work, dunno if the two things are related. | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back in the ancient days of internet we dialed a dial-up ISP phone number with our Hayes modem over plain old telephone system. Pay-per-minute, no authentication, no logging of the number you're dialing in from - perfect anonymity | 09:01 |
| Maxdamantus | (the hall sensor not working is probably a bit more annoying, since I have to turn the screen off manually during a phone call to prevent my face pressing buttons on the screen) | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thinhs changed and now you get tracked from log in to your ISP account to cookies on your browser and logging of your IP across several websites | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | for many its 'leave me damn alone' | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | even if they spill themselves over the internets in every possible way | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | people were counted and numbered since ancient times | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's not a new concept | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we should try to define pretty clearly what is relevant for our "privacy", what we are concerned about and would like to see protected against | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | that depends if you believe in society or individuals | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | because those two arent the same in the effect | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opne thing's for sure: the perfect anonymity of the good ole days of dial-in internet via modem from a phone booth are gone forever | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even back then you could reveal you plain name by dosclosing info in a "place" in internet where you better had not done so | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | anonimity isnt the same as privacy | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but back when, no companies made a business out of your comprehensive activity log in internet | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems everybody startzs worrying about their "privacy" but nobody has a clear concept of what "privacy" actually means | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | you can still be anonymous, but profiled | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | as is the case with google for example | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | they dont know who you are at the beginning, yet, in time they have your profile | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | even if they dont put your name on it (yet) | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like with any attack threatening you or your devices, you need to start by defining the threat model before you can reasnably think about how to defend against that threat | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | tl;dr, for knowledgeable people privacy==security from profiling, for others its just marketing scheme about big joes having ability to sell you legally | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a pretty good first approach | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly with our current society it's the latter we hear about | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | people hardly ever fight over the important things (for me important being healthy sustainability of our planet/humanity as a whole) | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Microsoft itself does not obey the DNT header, stating "Because there is not yet a common understanding of how to interpret the DNT signal, Microsoft services do not currently respond to browser DNT signals."<< | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track#Effectiveness | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the result of not clearly defining what's the subject at hand (privacy) - this excuse is halfway legit | 10:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | DocScrutinizer05: sicelo: ty, sounds like it's the high ambient light issue that I maybe seeing. The issue disappears when I am in a dim or dark room. I will monitor it for now. I know since I replace the main ribbon the IR sensor hasn't been perfect but never had the keyboard lights off before. I think i ever so slightly misaligned the main ribbon on tray. | 11:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | If it's a magnet then at least i know the main ribbon isn't dying again. | 11:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | As for privacy topic i just simply refuse to use something if they a Privacy Policy i don't like. | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | what if they do it in gray area? | 12:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ? | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | ie. you dont know about it, but they profile you at the order of some gov. agency | 12:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | If I "must" use the service do so with additional protection VPN/Onion | 12:26 |
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| KotCzarny | ~fiasco | 14:16 |
| infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | meh. | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | ~#maemo fiasco | 14:16 |
| bencoh | I actually love that fiasco/l4 link, thanks :] | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:19 |
| bencoh | this thing really got ported to quite a lot of SoCs in the end | 14:20 |
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| KotCzarny | ~0xFFFF | 14:35 |
| infobot | hmm... 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 14:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~listkeys fiasco | 14:52 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fiasco' by key (1): fiasco. | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lisvalues fiasco | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues fiasco | 19:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fiasco' by value (7): #maemo bm-images ;; emmcinfo ;; xrotation #DEL# ;; combined ;; xrotation ;; nitdroid ;; fiasco. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm-images | 19:15 |
| infobot | i heard bm-images is http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/BMbackups/Robbiethe1st_complete_image/ FIASCO+BM: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/BM/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues fias?o | 19:17 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fias?o' by value (7): xrotation #DEL# ;; fiasco ;; emmcinfo ;; nitdroid ;; #maemo bm-images ;; xrotation ;; combined. | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 19:17 |
| infobot | [combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gosh, this factoid needs some update, eh? prolly just stale links | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal combined | 19:19 |
| infobot | "combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/" | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: forget combined | 19:20 |
| infobot | i forgot combined, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: #maemo combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you | 19:22 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 19:23 |
| infobot | hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf | 19:23 |
| infobot | it has been said that #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ OK? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ^^^ | 19:25 |
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| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ckeaning up factoids | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated: https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/talks/dear-developer | 20:38 |
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| bleb | just read that symbian was open source briefly around 2010 | 23:48 |
| bleb | did anyone do any work on that code base? it would be amazing if i could compile and install my own symbian s60 | 23:48 |
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