IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2018-12-20

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sixwheeledbeast^Seem to have intermittent keyboard backlight issue starting is it likely to be the main ribbon again or is there some magnet control for that?00:53
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KotCzarnyprivacy? whats that?07:14
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: kbd backlight is unrelated to FPC/flex. It's controlled vy a magnet in display slider that gets sensed by a hall sensor roughly above the "O" key iirc07:15
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^07:15
DocScrutinizer05the magnet is basically at edge of display slide and positions next to hall when slide is completely open07:16
DocScrutinizer05it's not unheard that magnet getting loose07:17
DocScrutinizer05otoh kbd backlight gets controlled by 6 of the LP5523 channels, while the remaining 3 channels control the RGB indicator LED07:20
DocScrutinizer05e.h. fcam might fsck up both indicator light and jbd backlight07:21
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: it's MCE which controls the backlight, you might want to have an eye on it and what it does (which "files" it reads and which I2C commands it sends to LP5523) - strace might be your best friend08:41
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: actually what's the problem exactly? "intermittent kbd backlight" sounds like hard to detect since the kbd BL already acts pretty weird in regular operation08:42
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ dang08:42
DocScrutinizer05what the heck is wromng with my irc client nick completion?08:43
DocScrutinizer05dman konversation is supposed to replace a plain <TAB> by most recently used nickname completion. However it doesn't. While I evidently used sixwheeledbeast^ last time, it gives me sicelo08:47
DocScrutinizer05tzz now it works08:47
DocScrutinizer05KDE 5 is a FSCKNG RNG08:48
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: MCE will shut down backlight when ambient light is too high08:50
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: the ALS has an annoying similarity to a camera with tele lens. Sitting in a pretty dark room the ALS might think you're in bright daylight since the ALS points to the tiny bright spot of a light bulb08:51
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: though the opposite is more usually to be seen, your device is brighly illuminated from e.g, sun shining in through a window, but ALS thinks it's pitch black night time since it looks to the black painted ceiling08:53
Maxdamantusas for the input used by mce to determine whether to turn the backlight on/off, I imagine it would be the "slide" gpio.08:55
Maxdamantusthe state of that can be read at /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state08:55
MaxdamantusI'm pretty sure I've stopped mce from responding to gpio states by just mounting regular files over those nodes in sysfs, so it probably just reads/polls that file.08:57
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: >>privacy? whats that?<< I think that's an incredibly good question, much better than you thought when you asked it08:57
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Maxdamantuson the device that I'm currently using, the slide gpio wasn't working from the time I got it, so the backlight doesn't come on, and it doesn't wake up when opening the slide.09:00
KotCzarnymost people just think of it as a cellar where one does his/hers hobbies09:00
KotCzarnywithout marketers ringing all the time and police looking over, no matter if you do legal or less legal things09:01
Maxdamantuson my device the hall sensor also doesn't work, dunno if the two things are related.09:01
DocScrutinizer05back in the ancient days of internet we dialed a dial-up ISP phone number with our Hayes modem over plain old telephone system. Pay-per-minute, no authentication, no logging of the number you're dialing in from - perfect anonymity09:01
Maxdamantus(the hall sensor not working is probably a bit more annoying, since I have to turn the screen off manually during a phone call to prevent my face pressing buttons on the screen)09:02
DocScrutinizer05thinhs changed and now you get tracked from log in to your ISP account to cookies on your browser and logging of your IP across several websites09:02
KotCzarnyfor many its 'leave me damn alone'09:02
KotCzarnyeven if they spill themselves over the internets in every possible way09:02
KotCzarnypeople were counted and numbered since ancient times09:03
KotCzarnyit's not a new concept09:03
DocScrutinizer05we should try to define pretty clearly what is relevant for our "privacy", what we are concerned about and would like to see protected against09:03
KotCzarnythat depends if you believe in society or individuals09:04
KotCzarnybecause those two arent the same in the effect09:04
DocScrutinizer05opne thing's for sure: the perfect anonymity of the good ole days of dial-in internet via modem from a phone booth are gone forever09:04
DocScrutinizer05and even back then you could reveal you plain name by dosclosing info in a "place" in internet where you better had not done so09:06
KotCzarnyanonimity isnt the same as privacy09:07
DocScrutinizer05but back when, no companies made a business out of your comprehensive activity log in internet09:07
DocScrutinizer05seems everybody startzs worrying about their "privacy" but nobody has a clear concept of what "privacy" actually means09:09
KotCzarnyyou can still be anonymous, but profiled09:09
KotCzarnyas is the case with google for example09:09
KotCzarnythey dont know who you are at the beginning, yet, in time they have your profile09:10
KotCzarnyeven if they dont put your name on it (yet)09:10
DocScrutinizer05like with any attack threatening you or your devices, you need to start by defining the threat model before you can reasnably think about how to defend against that threat09:14
KotCzarnytl;dr, for knowledgeable people privacy==security from profiling, for others its just marketing scheme about big joes having ability to sell you legally09:15
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a pretty good first approach09:15
KotCzarnyunfortunatelly with our current society it's the latter we hear about09:15
KotCzarnypeople hardly ever fight over the important things (for me important being healthy sustainability of our planet/humanity as a whole)09:17
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DocScrutinizer05>>Microsoft itself does not obey the DNT header, stating "Because there is not yet a common understanding of how to interpret the DNT signal, Microsoft services do not currently respond to browser DNT signals."<<10:52
DocScrutinizer05the result of not clearly defining what's the subject at hand (privacy) - this excuse is halfway legit10:54
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sixwheeledbeast^DocScrutinizer05: sicelo:  ty, sounds like it's the high ambient light issue that I maybe seeing. The issue disappears when I am in a dim or dark room. I will monitor it for now. I know since I replace the main ribbon the IR sensor hasn't been perfect but never had the keyboard lights off before. I think i ever so slightly misaligned the main ribbon on tray.11:25
sixwheeledbeast^If it's a magnet then at least i know the main ribbon isn't dying again.11:26
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sixwheeledbeast^As for privacy topic i just simply refuse to use something if they a Privacy Policy i don't like.12:01
KotCzarnywhat if they do it in gray area?12:05
KotCzarnyie. you dont know about it, but they profile you at the order of some gov. agency12:22
sixwheeledbeast^If I "must" use the service do so with additional protection VPN/Onion12:26
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infobotL4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL:
KotCzarny~#maemo fiasco14:16
bencohI actually love that fiasco/l4 link, thanks :]14:19
bencohthis thing really got ported to quite a lot of SoCs in the end14:20
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infobothmm... 0xffff is, or
sixwheeledbeast^~listkeys fiasco14:52
infobotFactoid search of 'fiasco' by key (1): fiasco.14:52
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DocScrutinizer05~lisvalues fiasco19:14
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues fiasco19:15
infobotFactoid search of 'fiasco' by value (7): #maemo bm-images ;; emmcinfo ;; xrotation #DEL# ;; combined ;; xrotation ;; nitdroid ;; fiasco.19:15
infoboti heard bm-images is   FIASCO+BM:
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues fias?o19:17
infobotFactoid search of 'fias?o' by value (7): xrotation #DEL# ;; fiasco ;; emmcinfo ;; nitdroid ;; #maemo bm-images ;; xrotation ;; combined.19:17
infobot[combined] the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or, or
DocScrutinizer05gosh, this factoid needs some update, eh? prolly just stale links19:18
DocScrutinizer05~literal combined19:19
infobot"combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or, or"19:19
DocScrutinizer05infobot: forget combined19:20
infoboti forgot combined, DocScrutinizer0519:20
DocScrutinizer05infobot: #maemo combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you19:22
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay19:22
infobothmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see ~lf which will tell you how to get the latest fiasco image, actually does all the download for you19:23
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infobotit has been said that #maemo lazyflashing is
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast^: ^^^ OK?19:25
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: ^^^19:25
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bencohDocScrutinizer05: ?20:04
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DocScrutinizer05ckeaning up factoids20:38
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blebjust read that symbian was open source briefly around 201023:48
blebdid anyone do any work on that code base?  it would be amazing if i could compile and install my own symbian s6023:48

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