| {-0-} | buZz, no joy, even ran through the setup options with their firstline, it shows connected to 3G and the data symbol but DHCP does not seem to be picking up the necessary info. It does when I connect via wifi though | 00:32 |
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| buZz | {-0-}: and if you put the sim in any other phone, you do get a default gateway? | 00:32 |
| buZz | you could just try to configure it by hand ;) | 00:32 |
| {-0-} | they've saved my case and I can go direct to their second line tomorrow | 00:32 |
| {-0-} | meanwhile I'll pick up a sim from another network and try that as well | 00:33 |
| buZz | once you know the default gateway ip, you could just force it :) | 00:33 |
| Juesto | configure apn by hand, might be the provider data isnt on there | 00:34 |
| {-0-} | the lad at their firstline thought the N900 was a featurephone, I told him to go google it :) He did! | 00:34 |
| buZz | Juesto: but his dhcp works | 00:35 |
| buZz | suggest to me that apn is correct, dont you agree? | 00:35 |
| Juesto | not so sure | 00:35 |
| Juesto | some do proxy | 00:35 |
| buZz | ... well unless its a 169.soemthing address :P | 00:35 |
| Juesto | or just straight out not allowed | 00:35 |
| buZz | Juesto: hehe, my first idea was proxy aswell :D | 00:35 |
| {-0-} | it's all 10. ! | 00:35 |
| Juesto | user/pw or something | 00:35 |
| Juesto | sounds you're in their network but not internet | 00:36 |
| Juesto | 10. is common for class a networks | 00:36 |
| buZz | just scan the whole 10/8 for their gateway ;) | 00:36 |
| buZz | hehe | 00:36 |
| Juesto | or rather, large networks | 00:36 |
| {-0-} | 10. is the private address space | 00:36 |
| buZz | and sim disabled in 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. | 00:36 |
| Juesto | exactly | 00:36 |
| Juesto | usually the phone should get the public ip | 00:36 |
| Juesto | if it gets the private one its something about your carreer and your card | 00:37 |
| {-0-} | back in the good old days! | 00:37 |
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| {-0-} | little concern that they'll come back and say it's all ipv6 over 4 magiks nowadays | 00:37 |
| Juesto | :? | 00:38 |
| Juesto | pfft | 00:38 |
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| {-0-} | my other N900 ( totally stock setup ) does the same | 00:40 |
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| Juesto | clearly something up with the carrier | 00:42 |
| buZz | {-0-}: did you try the O2 sim in a different phone yet? | 00:44 |
| {-0-} | will try another network tomorrow! | 00:44 |
| buZz | {-0-}: could just grab the gateway ip from that , if it works | 00:44 |
| buZz | or at least show you that there is no gateway configured there either | 00:44 |
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| {-0-} | it worked in my LG g4 till it started bootlooping the other day, hence the N900 coming back into service as daily driver :) | 00:44 |
| buZz | right, but i ment a working phone so you could compare the results | 00:45 |
| {-0-} | which last had a vodaphone sim in it a year or so back | 00:45 |
| {-0-} | ah I get ya, copy the settings across! | 00:45 |
| buZz | yes! | 00:45 |
| buZz | :) | 00:45 |
| buZz | you -only- need the gateway ip, right? | 00:45 |
| buZz | so just any device with simslot and a terminal ;) | 00:46 |
| Juesto | not just that | 00:47 |
| Juesto | just get the apn settings | 00:48 |
| Juesto | that should be it | 00:48 |
| buZz | Juesto: but, without correct apn, how is he getting a DHCP result? | 00:50 |
| Juesto | again, either misconfiguration but more inclined to the carrier side | 00:52 |
| Juesto | must be* | 00:53 |
| {-0-} | Same sim in a Nokia 301 and Opera mini works fine | 00:53 |
| {-0-} | unfortunately no terminal | 00:53 |
| {-0-} | but works in both 3G and GSM modes | 00:58 |
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| bleb | 16:20 < buZz> bleb: i never heard of SMS being able to do 'groups' | 04:46 |
| bleb | buZz: i believe groups texts are mms | 04:47 |
| bleb | or at least they have been for the past decade | 04:47 |
| buZz | oh ok | 04:48 |
| buZz | maybe they disabled the mms gateways then? | 04:48 |
| buZz | or pushed one of em updates to change those settings, accidently with empty hostname? :P | 04:49 |
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| bleb | i thought group texts were always sent as mms, so i dont see a need for gateways or a hostname... | 04:58 |
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| buZz | afaik mms on 2G works with a actual data connection to a specific gateway | 05:00 |
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| bleb | buZz: interesting | 06:26 |
| bleb | maybe i will contact at&t support | 06:26 |
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| KotCzarny | {-0-}: if it works on another phone, try cloning the ip settings? | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | also, tcpdump+dhcpclient might be some help | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | dhcpcd/dhclient/whatever is there | 08:41 |
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| sicelo | i've never seen a getway on my n900 in all the different networks that i've used it on since 2011 | 09:20 |
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| sicelo | if your Internet doesn't work, is it perhaps a matter of 2G vs. 3G? | 09:21 |
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| buZz | sicelo: then how do IPs get routed from your local interface? | 09:50 |
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| sicelo | i don't know, or care :) | 10:04 |
| sicelo | i'm on it even now | 10:04 |
| sicelo | ~ $ ip r sh | 10:05 |
| sicelo | default dev gprs0 scope link | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | usuall ppp way | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | send and hope for the best | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:06 |
| bencoh | indeed (ppp) | 10:06 |
| bencoh | as for mms, there is a "gateway", although not the same as in the IP context | 10:07 |
| sicelo | i've never used mms since N900 :) | 10:08 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine a default gateway wouldn't really make sense on a PPP connection. | 10:12 |
| Maxdamantus | It's not like it's going to go anywhere other than .. where it goes. | 10:12 |
| sicelo | yeah, that's why they are /32 | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | maxd, would be if other part was just a dumb bridge | 10:15 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't have a huge amount of knowledge of how PPP/P-t-P connections tend to work, but my ifconfig shows gprs0 as having a HWADDR of 0-0-0-0-0-... and it says "NOARP" | 10:16 |
| Maxdamantus | The only thing a default gateway does normally is determine which MAC address is used as the destination of the outgoing frames. | 10:17 |
| Maxdamantus | but a MAC address should be irrelevant in this case .. I'm guessing it's not even using ethernet frames. | 10:17 |
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| {-0-} | This new day brought internet access! Nothing changed this end since last night, not even a reboot. But this morning at work ( in a nearby town ) it was working! Here at home access is intermittent at best ( even though showing full signal strength ) | 23:26 |
| {-0-} | when it's working route -n shows only that one 0.0.0.0 gprs0 entry and nothing else, which looks plain wrong to me :D | 23:27 |
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| sicelo | don't worry about it. we all have that :-P | 23:42 |
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