IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2018-12-04

{-0-}buZz, no joy, even ran through the setup options with their firstline, it shows connected to 3G and the data symbol but DHCP does not seem to be picking up the necessary info. It does when I connect via wifi though00:32
buZz{-0-}: and if you put the sim in any other phone, you do get a default gateway?00:32
buZzyou could just try to configure it by hand ;)00:32
{-0-}they've saved my case and I can go direct to their second line tomorrow00:32
{-0-}meanwhile I'll pick up a sim from another network and try that as well00:33
buZzonce you know the default gateway ip, you could just force it :)00:33
Juestoconfigure apn by hand, might be the provider data isnt on there00:34
{-0-}the lad at their firstline thought the N900 was a featurephone, I told him to go google it :) He did!00:34
buZzJuesto: but his dhcp works00:35
buZzsuggest to me that apn is correct, dont you agree?00:35
Juestonot so sure00:35
Juestosome do proxy00:35
buZz... well unless its a 169.soemthing address :P00:35
Juestoor just straight out not allowed00:35
buZzJuesto: hehe, my first idea was proxy aswell :D00:35
{-0-}it's all 10. !00:35
Juestouser/pw or something00:35
Juestosounds you're in their network but not internet00:36
Juesto10. is common for class a networks00:36
buZzjust scan the whole 10/8 for their gateway ;)00:36
buZzhehe00:36
Juestoor rather, large networks00:36
{-0-}10. is the private address space00:36
buZzand sim disabled in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ..00:36
Juestoexactly00:36
Juestousually the phone should get the public ip00:36
Juestoif it gets the private one its something about your carreer and your card00:37
{-0-}back in the good old days!00:37
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{-0-}little concern that they'll come back and say it's all ipv6 over 4 magiks nowadays00:37
Juesto:?00:38
Juestopfft00:38
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{-0-}my other N900 ( totally stock setup ) does the same00:40
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Juestoclearly something up with the carrier00:42
buZz{-0-}: did you try the O2 sim in a different phone yet?00:44
{-0-}will try another network tomorrow!00:44
buZz{-0-}: could just grab the gateway ip from that , if it works00:44
buZzor at least show you that there is no gateway configured there either00:44
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{-0-}it worked in my LG g4 till it started bootlooping the other day, hence the N900 coming back into service as daily driver :)00:44
buZzright, but i ment a working phone so you could compare the results00:45
{-0-}which last had a vodaphone sim in it a year or so back00:45
{-0-}ah I get ya, copy the settings across!00:45
buZzyes!00:45
buZz:)00:45
buZzyou -only- need the gateway ip, right?00:45
buZzso just any device with simslot and a terminal ;)00:46
Juestonot just that00:47
Juestojust get the apn settings00:48
Juestothat should be it00:48
buZzJuesto: but, without correct apn, how is he getting a DHCP result?00:50
Juestoagain, either misconfiguration but more inclined to the carrier side00:52
Juestomust be*00:53
{-0-}Same sim in a Nokia 301 and Opera mini works fine00:53
{-0-}unfortunately no terminal00:53
{-0-}but works in both 3G and GSM modes00:58
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bleb16:20 < buZz> bleb: i never heard of SMS being able to do 'groups'04:46
blebbuZz: i believe groups texts are mms04:47
blebor at least they have been for the past decade04:47
buZzoh ok04:48
buZzmaybe they disabled the mms gateways then?04:48
buZzor pushed one of em updates to change those settings, accidently with empty hostname? :P04:49
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blebi thought group texts were always sent as mms, so i dont see a need for gateways or a hostname...04:58
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buZzafaik mms on 2G works with a actual data connection to a specific gateway05:00
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blebbuZz: interesting06:26
blebmaybe i will contact at&t support06:26
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KotCzarny{-0-}: if it works on another phone, try cloning the ip settings?08:40
KotCzarnyalso, tcpdump+dhcpclient might be some help08:40
KotCzarnydhcpcd/dhclient/whatever is there08:41
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siceloi've never seen a getway on my n900 in all the different networks that i've used it on since 201109:20
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siceloif your Internet doesn't work, is it perhaps a matter of 2G vs. 3G?09:21
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buZzsicelo: then how do IPs get routed from your local interface?09:50
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siceloi don't know, or care :)10:04
siceloi'm on it even now10:04
sicelo~ $ ip r sh10:05
sicelodefault dev gprs0  scope link10:05
KotCzarnyusuall ppp way10:05
KotCzarnysend and hope for the best10:05
KotCzarny;)10:06
bencohindeed (ppp)10:06
bencohas for mms, there is a "gateway", although not the same as in the IP context10:07
siceloi've never used mms since N900 :)10:08
MaxdamantusI imagine a default gateway wouldn't really make sense on a PPP connection.10:12
MaxdamantusIt's not like it's going to go anywhere other than .. where it goes.10:12
siceloyeah, that's why they are /3210:15
KotCzarnymaxd, would be if other part was just a dumb bridge10:15
MaxdamantusI don't have a huge amount of knowledge of how PPP/P-t-P connections tend to work, but my ifconfig shows gprs0 as having a HWADDR of 0-0-0-0-0-... and it says "NOARP"10:16
MaxdamantusThe only thing a default gateway does normally is determine which MAC address is used as the destination of the outgoing frames.10:17
Maxdamantusbut a MAC address should be irrelevant in this case .. I'm guessing it's not even using ethernet frames.10:17
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{-0-}This new day brought internet access! Nothing changed this end since last night, not even a reboot. But this morning at work ( in a nearby town ) it was working! Here at home access is intermittent at best ( even though showing full signal strength )23:26
{-0-}when it's working route -n shows only that one 0.0.0.0 gprs0 entry and nothing else, which looks plain wrong to me :D23:27
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sicelodon't worry about it. we all have that :-P23:42

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