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| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it's not simp,le to find, anyway I succeeded back when I chosen Startpage - they get money from Google for the adds they forward and show while they protect their users from getting tracked by google and by the ads | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so the money advertisers pay to google for placing ads stays a fraction at google while another fraction gets forwarded by google to startpage | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, they changed their website. And they now say they pay google for using google's search results. So maybe they do direct business with advertisers now? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: https://www.startpage.com/en/search/privacy-policy.html >>Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links", which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google Adwords.<< | 01:22 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: ACK. | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway >>We don’t record your IP address; We don’t serve any tracking or identifying cookies; we don’t collect any ‘personal data’ << | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the above URL is pointing to a worthwhile read | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of my colleagues did a evaluation of mosz existing searchj engines regarding privacy, and Startpage ranked #4+- iirc | 02:31 |
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| sicelo | who was #1 | 10:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ddg? | 11:47 |
| buZz | searx? :) | 11:48 |
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| fishbulb | why the fuck would you do this. | 12:31 |
| buZz | THIS! | 12:32 |
| * buZz shakes fist | 12:32 | |
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| fishbulb | someone gave them the stuff to fuck with my phone. nobosy has these phones so the information could have only come from here | 12:34 |
| fishbulb | someone got so hurt they might die because of this | 12:34 |
| fishbulb | and you did it because of false information. | 12:35 |
| fishbulb | you fucking stupid bastard. it is beyond careless and way beyond whatever the fuck you thought justified you doing this. | 12:36 |
| buZz | ? | 12:36 |
| fishbulb | i hope when you find out what the fuck happened you can never sleep again. | 12:38 |
| fishbulb | it was sicelo or kotczarny | 12:38 |
| fishbulb | you irresponsible fucking bastard | 12:38 |
| fishbulb | you don't know what you've done | 12:41 |
| fishbulb | you used false information to justify what you did. | 12:41 |
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| buZz | KotCzarny: seems you doxed and hacked fishbulb and infected him with a virus that broke a flexcable inside his n900? :D | 12:52 |
| buZz | lol | 12:52 |
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| sicelo | all fishbulb bases are belong to us | 13:24 |
| buZz | also he claimed #maemo is the -only- source of n900 knowledge in the -world- | 13:34 |
| buZz | which is quite charming | 13:34 |
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| KotCzarny | buzz: what can i say.. | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:19 |
| buZz | :) | 18:19 |
| buZz | i'm just amazed by your mad sk1llz | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | schizophrenic paranoia is treatable to some extent | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | but it's just a time bomb | 18:20 |
| buZz | yeah he'll be back | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | sad part is he fussed about n900 years ago, yet he didnt switch to android apparently | 18:20 |
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| xes | talk.maemo.org: bye bye bots and spiders :) | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | i should be afraid to ask.. but.. what? :> | 19:38 |
| xes | KotCzarny: due to the number of bot requests we are receiving i have just applied a bad bot filter. Feedback is welcome | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | so even more strict filter? | 19:41 |
| xes | no, only a large set of UA rules | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | uhum, figured as much | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | xes, how feasible would be creating some sort of readonly, static html archive of posts | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | how big is the tmo data set? | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | i might have some spare disk space and bandwidth for that | 19:45 |
| xes | KotCzarny: hard question, easy solution? i suppose an N900 is enough to host the db :) | 20:08 |
| buZz | was the worst bot 'megaindex.ru' by any chance? | 20:16 |
| xes | buZz: no, it is blocked but we got no req. by it | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with fishbulb? Do I miss some 40% of that dialog (due to /ignore) so it looks like a completely insane monologue to me? | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_maemo/latest.log.html | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (opm | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: xes: there really is no need for any mirror, you just need to distinguish read-only HTTP requests from HTTP requests that try to *write* any data (from "search" to "login" to "register") and only block the latter by applying RBL and whatnot | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mirror / archive / whatever | 20:37 |
| Maxdamantus | Presumably the only thing you'd need to block to avoid spam is "register". | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for Neo900 for example the current mechanism is already a knockout criterion since the users (incl me and our own communications officer!) that act most privacy/security aware can't even *read* the Neo900 posts anymore | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a sustainable approach to do daily snapshots on archive.org to allow users to *read* tmo | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tools like fail2ban etc offer a plethora of better approaches to deal with bots etc than what maemo.org is doing right now | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | afair, they block spam at firewall level, not daemon level | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | which complicates things | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we urgently need to update the forum software. And I think this is what the eV was made for, to allow using the still existing funds to purchase a 200(?) bucks license | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: yep | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's council? accoprding to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council eeklund, juiceme, mosen since a year?? Whatever, council should get active to get the "vBulletin® Version 3.8.8" tmo sw updated | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.vbulletin.com/en/purchases/ 209 bucks | 20:52 |
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| KotCzarny | maxd: registeration doesnt block spam, just throttles it down a bit | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think we got a number of real new user registrations that easily allows welcoming each one manually by administrator | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so instead of a friggin captcha or whatever, simply tell users who want to register: "please come to IRC #maemo and fetch the parole of the day to get registered" | 23:06 |
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