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| DocScrutinizer05 | ginggs: interesting at least | 07:08 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: My father is interested in using an ARM Linux SBC based upon the Allwinner H2 for a project but he wants to know which GNU+Linux distributions are supported on this platform? | 07:55 |
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| sparre | Is there an alternative to the now defunct Nokia GPS assist server? | 08:18 |
| Vajb | sparre: I have it set to use supl.google.com, but I don't actually use it so I have no idea if it actually works. | 08:22 |
| KotCzarny | brolin_empey: many, but look at armbian (they have images for debian and ubuntu) | 08:22 |
| KotCzarny | also, if the board is 'unsupported' all it needs is some DT tweaking usually | 08:23 |
| KotCzarny | and h2+ is essentially h3 | 08:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl | 08:25 |
| infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 | 08:25 |
| sparre | Thanks! | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a year or 2 ago, we discussed in hetre to run our own maemo SUPL server but nobody volunteered to set it up | 08:26 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: OK, thank you. What is DT? | 08:28 |
| Maxdamantus | device tree | 08:29 |
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| brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: OK, thank you. | 08:31 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders why the "Use HTTPS" proxy option in Opera gets reset on startup. | 08:51 | |
| Maxdamantus | `chown -w ~/.opera/opera.ini` seems to fix that. | 08:55 |
| Maxdamantus | Kind of weird that it supposedly updates it on start then rereads it again. | 08:56 |
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| Maxdamantus | microb seems to behave similarly. | 09:20 |
| Maxdamantus | Very weird. Maybe more reminants of insane people. | 09:20 |
| Maxdamantus | (keeps setting "network.proxy.type" to 0 in prefs.js on startup) | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it sets it from network settings | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | ie. from active wifi config | 09:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. I guess that would explain it. | 09:23 |
| Maxdamantus | Wonder if it can be overridden. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | sure, change it in network options? ;) | 09:24 |
| Maxdamantus | the `chmod -w` trick doesn't seem to work with microb. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | might be that they do all that initial config dance because it was easiest way to apply system wide tweaks | 09:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I mean to disable that behaviour, or else specify that a proxy server is to be used regardless of what connection I'm on. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | check first if my guess is right | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | then you could simply throw your https proxy into connectivity part | 09:25 |
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| Maxdamantus | Yes, it avoids resetting it when the proxy is configured through maemo's settings (for a particular wifi connection) | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | i would suggest implanting it systemwide then | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | would probably help with non-browser apps too | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | email? etc | 09:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Sure, just can't see how, since the proxy settings at least through the "Settings" program seem to be per access point. | 09:30 |
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| KotCzarny | is setting's source available? | 09:30 |
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| brolin_empey | Is there an x86 smartphone with an integrated hardware keyboard? I could not find one. I also found only one or maybe two x86 smartphones with an LED (AMOLED) display instead of an LCD. I am not aware of any x86 smartphone with an electronic paper/ink display either, only the Yota Phone series with ARM SoC and difficult to remove battery. | 09:52 |
| Maxdamantus | as for email, not really useful there. | 09:52 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: inline attachments? | 09:52 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, I don't remember ever running a graphical email client on either desktop or phone. | 09:53 |
| Maxdamantus | other than in a web browser, which is already covered. | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | does qt also use system proxy? | 09:54 |
| Maxdamantus | I normally use mutt in a debian root, so no issues connecting with that. | 09:54 |
| brolin_empey | Also, if the Volkswagen New Beetle has a full-size (16-inch) spare wheel, at least for the 1998 model year that I had, then why does at least one configuration of 2007 Audi A3 have a compact spare wheel? | 09:55 |
| _CN_ | almost every car nowadays have a compact one unless you pay for a big one | 09:55 |
| _CN_ | that's not maemo's fault, though | 09:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | They are normally an added extra. You are lucky you have a space saver spare and not a can of foamy rubbish. | 10:00 |
| brolin_empey | I think the 2006 Audi A4 wagon/estate has a full-size spare wheel. I thought that Volkswagen/Audi still has a full-size spare wheel at least on some models. I am surprised that, if the New Beetle has space for a 16-inch spare wheel, that the A3 does not. Maybe you are correct that the full-size spare wheel is an option even for Audi. I could ask the seller of the A3 I was considering buying, which has a compact spare wheel. | 10:02 |
| buZz | maybe its fullsize for the original size wheels ;) | 10:07 |
| brolin_empey | I no longer have a European car nor a diesel car. I had a 1998 Volkswagen New Beetle GLS TDI with 5-speed manual transmission until 2014 June when I replaced it with a 2010 Hyundai Elantra Touring (name used to market the Hyundai i30cw AKA i30 estate first generation in Canada and the USA) Sport Edition with 2.0L I4 naturally-aspirated spark-ignition engine (actually the only engine for the Elantra Touring because Hyundai does not sell a diesel car in North | 10:12 |
| brolin_empey | America) and 5-speed manual transmission but I dislike driving up hills and in heavy traffic with the manual transmission so I was shopping for used cars with a dual-clutch form of automatic transmission, in this case DSG in Volkswagen and Audi cars. | 10:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Select the correct gear? | 10:13 |
| brolin_empey | The spare wheel in this A3 says the maximum speed for this wheel is only 80 km/h so I do not think this wheel and tire are the same as the original non-spare wheels. ;-) | 10:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | If it's speed restricted it's a space saver. The diameter of all the wheels must be similar, only the profile will be different. | 10:16 |
| sicelo | Maxdamantus: the system-wide proxy setting doesn't seem to really be 'system-wide' - it seems to only be used by applications that specifically look for it, such as microb, of course. Modest/email for example does not use it, even when set | 10:17 |
| brolin_empey | Literally, the normal tires also have a maximum speed even if the vehicle cannot achieve that speed. ;-) | 10:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | standard road tyres have a speed rating (letters are used for this). It's not speed on a yellow sticker. | 10:20 |
| inz | VW Polo's spare looked like a motorcycle tire compared to the normal ones | 10:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Yep that's a space saver limited to around 80km/50mph | 10:21 |
| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Yes, I know this, hence me being literal. :-P | 10:21 |
| inz | Haven't needed my prius's spare yet (knock on wood) so not sure if it's any good. VW T4 has a full size one at least | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | #maemo -- now on spare wheels! | 10:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | sicelo: yeah, I'm not too concerned about which programs use it, just that I don't have to configure these things for each internet connection. | 10:23 |
| Maxdamantus | I guess things were different back in 2009. | 10:24 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: supl.google.com does not seem to work http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=m5e493e2e | 10:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | ? | 10:25 |
| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: I have twelve years of experience as a licensed driver of a car with a manual transmission but have never had a vehicle with a hill holder feature, which is part of why I dislike driving up hills. | 10:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I recall reporting supl.google.com has never worked? | 10:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | That's what the handbrake is for | 10:26 |
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| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Yes, and is why I wore out/broke the drum brakes used for the handbrake on my current car before 65 000 km. The normal brakes are all disc brakes but the handbrake uses drum brakes. | 10:28 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: ah, nevermind then, I somehow understood from backlog that you didn't know whether it actually worked or not | 10:29 |
| brolin_empey | Anyway, as an end to off-topic vehicle discussion, I recently saw a concrete pumping truck with six axles, all close together, which reminded me of sixwheeledbeast^. | 10:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | bencoh: I recall a thread on TMO many years ago where it was suspected supl.google.com block some devices? | 10:31 |
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| brolin_empey | I gather that Google has been caught intentionally causing problems for users of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile because Google wants users to use Android instead of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile. | 10:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Not many cars with drums on the rear any more, well over this side the water anyway. | 10:34 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: I don't quite remember if there was any proper conclusion in this thread | 10:34 |
| bencoh | I can see here is ssl_read_data: SSL_ERROR=5, ret=0, errno: Success | 10:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | bencoh: :nod: | 10:35 |
| bencoh | +what* | 10:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | i dont remember either | 10:36 |
| brolin_empey | Alledgedly Google also does not want Windows NT on ARM to take market share from Android nor Chrome OS. | 10:37 |
| brolin_empey | Specifically Windows 10 on ARM, not Windows Phone 8, which already used a Windows NT kernel on ARM. | 10:38 |
| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Only the handbrake uses drum brakes. The normal brakes on both the front and rear are disc brakes. | 10:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Mechanical cable and hydraulic connections for the rear calipers. | 10:44 |
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| brolin_empey | I should not skip sleep but I am still young and I am still at the office at almost 02:00 so I guess I am not sleeping tonight, sigh. | 10:50 |
| brolin_empey | Now I can be the depersonalised from sleep deprivation version of myself for Halloween. | 10:51 |
| brolin_empey | Is there a Pumpkin Pi brand of SBC? | 10:53 |
| brolin_empey | Does Apple use eMMC on an x86 computer? I wondered if an x86-64 SBC such as the UP Board or Latte Panda can run Mac OS x86 (Mac OS X for x86 hacked/patched to run on non-Apple computers) but these SBCs use eMMC instead of SATA or NVMe. | 10:57 |
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| bencoh | Hmmm ... phone actually sends IMSI to SUPL server .... | 11:52 |
| bencoh | "yay" ... | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | you have been tracked for so long, does it matter then? | 11:53 |
| bencoh | huhu | 11:53 |
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| bencoh | for some stupid reason I'd rather give that information to nokia than google | 11:53 |
| bencoh | (well, back when nokia operated a supl server, at least) | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | make an anonymizing supl proxy? | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | wasnt it some http data anyway? | 11:54 |
| bencoh | it doesn't look like "plain http data" | 11:55 |
| bencoh | and I'm basically trying to get maemo/location-proxy to work with supl.google.com through supl-proxy, yeah | 11:55 |
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| brolin_empey | I was curious to know if the VIA x86 CPUs have the same vulnerabilities, such as Meltdown and Spectre, as Intel x86 CPUs. Apparently at least the VIA C7-M does have the same vulnerabilities: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-90cVBdvR0m8/W9mCLWg8l0I/AAAAAAAABDU/WqTlTRWtuXcxW3iRm5jcmmDrcv3aE6P3QCL0BGAYYCw/h1663/6226600743558986105%253Faccount_id%253D5 | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: >>sends IMSI<< WTF?!?!! | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><KotCzarny> make an anonymizing supl proxy?<< was what we discussed to set up on maemo infra | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically | 13:02 |
| bencoh | yeah | 13:03 |
| bencoh | and yeah, we discussed that here ~10 months ago | 13:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | brolin_empey: I believe there is a script on github to check the vulnerability | 17:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~phonecontrol | 18:03 |
| infobot | phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 18:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~sparetyre | 18:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | :) | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | how many spares sixwheeler has to have? | 18:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | one | 18:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | If centre tyre is flat you don't even notice. | 18:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | rear wheels have redundancy :) | 18:32 |
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| halftux | ginggs: thank you yes it is helpful only that patches greater 1mb are not presented but it is still useful | 21:33 |
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| halftux | has somebody worked with debhelper7 and cdbs-dh7, cdbs-dh7 needs fdupes I don't know why and this package doesn't exists anyone has a clue or a fdupes package? | 22:04 |
| ginggs | halftux: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/fdupes/1.50-PR2-2maemo1/ | 22:12 |
| halftux | yes I have seen this it is broken but cdbs-dh7 is already in extras | 22:16 |
| ginggs | halftux: ah right, i see what you mean now | 22:16 |
| halftux | ok fixed it by rebuilding package from jessie | 22:45 |
| halftux | should I upload it to extra-devel ? | 22:45 |
| ginggs | halftux: that would be nice, otherwise cdbs-dh7 will remain non-installable | 22:54 |
| halftux | roughly 30kb,the deb is 21kb should I maemo-optify it? Or at which size should packages optified or should all packages be optified? | 22:59 |
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| ginggs | halftux: I don't recall any specific rules about that, I'd guess at 21kb it wouldn't be worth the effort | 23:08 |
| halftux | the kernel-power-headers are still not imported to extras. promoted 2018-10-20 | 23:33 |
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