| sicelo | i don't think you really need to, though | 00:00 |
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| sicelo | just choosing a save directory from within notes should set it | 00:00 |
| rhombus | ok | 00:01 |
| rhombus | I wonder how this happened in the first place | 00:01 |
| sicelo | what? | 00:02 |
| rhombus | well, that I have files that used to be in .documents that are now in documents | 00:03 |
| rhombus | and that I keep losing my most recent changes when I do mounts, even though everything is ostensibly closed | 00:03 |
| sicelo | if you check the links I gave you, you would notice that MyDocs/.documents = "Nokia N900/Documents" | 00:04 |
| rhombus | yeah, but I also have Nokia N900/documents | 00:04 |
| sicelo | you created it? | 00:05 |
| rhombus | probably, but I don't recall | 00:05 |
| rhombus | Notes does not seem to have a Save As function | 00:06 |
| sicelo | yup | 00:06 |
| rhombus | sicelo: so how am I supposed to change the default directory? | 00:06 |
| sicelo | New Document - Save :) | 00:06 |
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| sicelo | but remember, default directory is not fixed .. it keeps getting set to wherever you last open a document from | 00:07 |
| sicelo | i do think *you* need a better Notes application. Check the repositories for something you like | 00:08 |
| sicelo | i use xournal, because it allows me to use stylus & scribble. it allows text input by keyboard, but i found the text entry mechanism lacking. i am sure there are others | 00:09 |
| rhombus | sicelo: Notes must be backing things up somewhere -- how else can there be a discrepancy between what I see in .documents and what is actually open in Notes? (for example, time stamps from yesterday, even though I have been saving since then) | 00:10 |
| rhombus | ok, xournal | 00:10 |
| rhombus | could the backups be in one of the .osso directories? | 00:10 |
| sicelo | you can try lsof to see what files Notes keeps open (sorry can't help much with that ...) | 00:11 |
| rhombus | there's a file here called "startup-restored-flag" | 00:11 |
| rhombus | aha | 00:11 |
| rhombus | there's also | 00:11 |
| rhombus | ~/.osso/osso-notes | 00:12 |
| sicelo | nice then | 00:13 |
| rhombus | which contains autosave.0-Espanol.note.html.note.html (which is for an old file I don't think I have anymore) | 00:14 |
| rhombus | unfortunately | 00:14 |
| rhombus | the data I am looking for is not there | 00:14 |
| rhombus | then there is .permanent-state | 00:14 |
| rhombus | which has a bunch of file URIs to an autosave of a file I just had open | 00:15 |
| rhombus | very wierd | 00:15 |
| rhombus | I guess I'll try switching to xournal | 00:15 |
| sicelo | doesn't have to be xournal. check repositories for somethingt hat'll suit you. | 00:16 |
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| sicelo | seems there's a qmlnotes | 00:20 |
| sicelo | might be worth a try | 00:20 |
| rhombus | ok | 00:22 |
| rhombus | ok, I've started by changing the default save folder | 00:25 |
| rhombus | but you are right, notes is a pain | 00:25 |
| rhombus | it's buggy | 00:25 |
| sicelo | many f the osso* applications are | 00:26 |
| sicelo | *of | 00:26 |
| rhombus | (when I save rich text files with bullet points, it adds an additional bullet point with each save operation) | 00:26 |
| rhombus | maybe that explains the restore failures also | 00:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | rhombus: osso-notes is weird. IIRC it saves files in XML format | 00:35 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: exactly! | 00:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I mostly use leafpad | 00:35 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: I've just installed "Notes" and "mnotes" | 00:36 |
| rhombus | and now I will install leafpad :) | 00:36 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: but yeah, osso-notes has a bug where it keeps nesting bullet list items | 00:37 |
| rhombus | xml is notoriously difficult to do correctly | 00:39 |
| rhombus | which is why I can't understand why it is such a popular format | 00:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Validation | 00:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Anyway I found osso-notes annoying to use within months of having my N900 and switched to leafpad for GUI text editing | 00:42 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, I should have switched sooner | 00:43 |
| rhombus | :/ | 00:43 |
| rhombus | inertia, I guess | 00:43 |
| rhombus | now that I've lost hours of notes twice in the last two weeks, I'm done with it | 00:43 |
| rhombus | thanks for the tips sicelo, sixwheeledbeast | 00:44 |
| rhombus | I'm going to hit the sack | 00:44 |
| sicelo | yw | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can only think to look in .osso | 00:44 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: for the possible backups? | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yer | 00:44 |
| rhombus | yeah, there were some old autosave files there, unfortunately no sign of my data :( | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | tmp? | 00:45 |
| rhombus | hmm | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Run some sort of grep on text files? | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Just throwing ideas | 00:46 |
| rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, those are good ideas | 00:47 |
| rhombus | I'll give them a try tomorrow | 00:47 |
| rhombus | thanks again | 00:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Its a closed program so you can't work it out from the source where backups would be | 00:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 00:47 |
| rhombus | all the more reason NOT to use it | 00:47 |
| rhombus | :) | 00:47 |
| rhombus | g'night | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | leafpad is on the Free Maemo wiki ;) | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as replacement | 00:48 |
| rhombus | where is that? | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~closed | 00:48 |
| infobot | [closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900, or https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | link 2 | 00:48 |
| rhombus | ok | 00:49 |
| rhombus | noted | 00:49 |
| rhombus | thanks :) | 00:49 |
| rhombus | gn and until next time | 00:49 |
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| sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: I;v6, seems sixxs used an ayiya protocol (no idea@exactly what it is), but seems it could even be used over double nat, as on a 3G connection. that sounds great! pity sixxs is no more | 00:52 |
| sicelo | s/;v6/Pv6/ | 00:52 |
| sicelo | meh | 00:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: Yep I used Sixxs for my tunnel until they closed it down. never looked for another after that. | 00:54 |
| sicelo | you have native IPv6 now, I guess? | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think many sites are hosted in dual stacking server farms for availability. no my ISP bought up the last v4 to avoid it for 10 years | 00:55 |
| sicelo | :P | 00:57 |
| sicelo | what country? | 00:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | They applied to IANA for a massive block to cover there network growth for the next decade uk | 00:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that was 2014 | 00:59 |
| sicelo | we still have quite number of v4 this side too, to the point that neighboring South Africa, for example, has at least two mobile operators who give public IP to cellular phones :P | 01:00 |
| sicelo | recently they NAt everyone, but you can request 'unrestricted apn' for free and very easily | 01:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Many mobile cos here use CGN, it creates massive headaches for some applications. | 01:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's becoming popular for ISP's tho to, as mobile co's become ISP's too. | 01:05 |
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| brolin_empey | (notes being lost) Maybe this is why Android switched from using USB Mass Storage to MTP? Can Maemo use MTP instead of USB Mass Storage? | 04:57 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine the reason why something like Android would use MTP would be because sharing a storage device requires change in ownership. | 05:09 |
| Maxdamantus | your PC can't have access to the filesystem at the same time as your phone, so your phone has to unmount it before it can be shared. | 05:09 |
| Maxdamantus | You don't have that problem if you use a protocol for accessing files (like MTP, smb, NFS, FUSE, 9P/Styx) instead of accessing blocks on a storage device. | 05:11 |
| Maxdamantus | and out of the ones I listen, MTP is pretty much the only one that will just work with the way people normally use USB, since the others are network protocols. | 05:12 |
| Maxdamantus | I can't remember exactly how Maemo handled this stuff, but iirc it was not correct, so you could easily end up with a corrupt filesystem due to multiple systems reading/writing to it. | 05:13 |
| brolin_empey | Yes, I know that. MTP is definitely distinguishable from USB Mass Storage in my experience, though. At least on Windows. | 05:14 |
| * Maxdamantus would never use UMS mode on his actual partitions without explicitly unmounting. | 05:14 | |
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| fishbulb | hey, my android phone is dead | 19:58 |
| fishbulb | I have an n900 with cssu for the meantime, how do i access gmail? | 19:58 |
| fishbulb | is there a browser that will do it? the repos seem to work | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | gmail allows imap | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | so i suspect add gmail imap account to email app | 19:59 |
| fishbulb | which imap account | 20:01 |
| fishbulb | i cant access it | 20:01 |
| fishbulb | this is literally the only internet device i have | 20:01 |
| fishbulb | i usually use gmail in a browser | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | just checked, gmail allows imap. just enable it in settings and add such account to email app | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | it also allows pop access | 20:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Use a mail client on the N900? | 20:03 |
| fishbulb | how do iget to the settings with the n900 | 20:03 |
| fishbulb | im on it now and its the only device i ahave that has internet | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | try installing fennec | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | its old and slow but might work | 20:04 |
| fishbulb | whats fennec | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | old mobile firefox | 20:04 |
| fishbulb | this device is old and slow | 20:04 |
| fishbulb | apt-get install fennec ? | 20:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | er not apt | 20:07 |
| fishbulb | ok the repos aren't working | 20:07 |
| fishbulb | with app manager | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 20:08 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 20:08 |
| sicelo | N900 email client is perfectly fine on Gmail | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: but afair gmail doesnt have imap/pop enabled by default | 20:08 |
| fishbulb | i cant get to the settings | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | so it need to be toggled first via ww | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | *www | 20:09 |
| sicelo | fennec is probably ont best choice for someone saying 'this device is old and slow' - perhaps can suggest Opera Mobile | 20:09 |
| sicelo | s/ont/not/ | 20:09 |
| infobot | sicelo meant: fennec is probably not best choice for someone saying 'this device is old and slow' - perhaps can suggest Opera Mobile | 20:09 |
| fishbulb | opera doesnt work | 20:09 |
| sicelo | doesn't work? | 20:09 |
| fishbulb | and the standard browser doesnt | 20:11 |
| fishbulb | with gmail | 20:11 |
| fishbulb | the only problem | 20:11 |
| fishbulb | i mean the perimary problem im trying to get to on this thing | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | also, i think gmail has 'legacy mode' | 20:13 |
| fishbulb | gmail access is critical. if any of you guys are german | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | which uses simpler html/js | 20:13 |
| sicelo | fishbulb: i am (rhight now) looking at my gmail from N900 'standard browser' | 20:14 |
| fishbulb | im in a homeless shelter and m | 20:14 |
| fishbulb | need to get to the neherlands | 20:14 |
| fishbulb | where i am at least a citizen. this place is dirtier and less safe than jail | 20:14 |
| sicelo | maybe you have other problems | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | go to public library/internet cafe and toggle the setting there? if you have two-factor authentication, you should be safe after logging out | 20:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 2FA may trigger a lock out? | 20:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Depends on your second factor I suppose | 20:17 |
| fishbulb | this is weird. it didnt let me all day | 20:17 |
| fishbulb | this n900 might be compromised | 20:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | How do you figure that? | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | oh, you are that one paranoid guy | 20:22 |
| sicelo | so it let you in now? :P | 20:22 |
| fishbulb | im paranoid for a reason | 20:25 |
| fishbulb | it said remote server something disconnected every time | 20:25 |
| fishbulb | i am sleeping in rooms with other people who mess with my belongings. they do it once and its game over for that device if you want to attempt to have privacy | 20:26 |
| fishbulb | hostels afre whwere gargbage lives. here in berlin. people live in them long term and the state pays. these people soetimews arent the most trustworthy | 20:29 |
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| fishbulb | if you leave anything unattended for a minute it is messed with. | 20:30 |
| fishbulb | which browser has the most chance of handling flights | 20:30 |
| fishbulb | bookings | 20:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | any browser that you can get working. I'd try opera first. | 20:31 |
| Vajb | I use gmail on n900 with default mail client. Never had any problems | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, care to create new gmail account and checking if it has imap enabled by default? | 20:32 |
| Vajb | nah, but Im pretty sure it has since I never changed any settings in gmail | 20:33 |
| fishbulb | its not a default account. but the plain htlml is working | 20:35 |
| fishbulb | in microb | 20:35 |
| fishbulb | this might be enough but i cant change settings | 20:35 |
| sicelo | iamp is not enabled by default, of course | 20:38 |
| fishbulb | not without a supported browser | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb, you can also give gmail credentials to someone to toggle the setting | 20:38 |
| fishbulb | i can read them i think | 20:38 |
| sicelo | you *can* change the setting in MicroB, *with* the html-only view fishbulb | 20:38 |
| sicelo | https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/11mazx360zs44/?v=prfap | 20:39 |
| sicelo | just click settings :-/ | 20:39 |
| fishbulb | server not found | 20:43 |
| sicelo | you just have a bad Internet connection, most likely | 20:45 |
| fishbulb | hey is a mobile ip address vulnerable | 20:45 |
| fishbulb | i have all bars | 20:45 |
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| fishbulb | 3.5g and full bars of reception | 20:47 |
| fishbulb | this shit takes me back to 2016 | 20:47 |
| fishbulb | if i could time travel through irc and come out at my apartment then i would | 20:47 |
| fishbulb | because fuck this. you do n | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | ah right, paranoid swearing guy | 20:48 |
| fishbulb | not wwant to rely on the german state to save your ass if youre unemplloyed for any length of time | 20:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well i suppose they have enough german unemployed people to look after? | 20:49 |
| fishbulb | this shelter had police tape over one of the doors | 20:49 |
| sicelo | on the matter of 2FA, does anyone know a good way to convert a really long Bas32 string to HEX? the OTP program available on N900 uses Hex, but most sites use Base32 | 20:51 |
| fishbulb | if you lose a lease, they will provide you a roof, but it will make yiou sick | 20:51 |
| fishbulb | cockroaches and worse stuff. too many people crowded into a place not fit for dogs | 20:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Would a coach not be easier? Say Berlin to Amsterdam for 25E? | 20:51 |
| sicelo | one of the mail accounts i've been fighting with uses a 410-character string! | 20:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Or if your brave thumb a ride down the A2? Not that i know other places well. | 20:52 |
| fishbulb | i had to get a text sent | 20:53 |
| fishbulb | thats days on a coach | 20:53 |
| fishbulb | how much luggage can you take? i have a bicycle and some heavy bags | 20:53 |
| fishbulb | too much stuff. | 20:53 |
| fishbulb | i dont want to be murdered either. | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You ain't thumbing a ride with that much stuff then... | 20:55 |
| fishbulb | its like 80kg worth of everything i own. | 20:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well its about 200E for flights so i was looking at options. I see no problem with a coach having luggage | 20:56 |
| fishbulb | nor unless a giant empty van picks me up. like the kind with no windows that you should get into | 20:56 |
| fishbulb | two hundred? man. | 20:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | A quick search yes. tomorrow would be triple that | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | possible due to short notice. | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Train seems to be the most popular at 60E but with 80kg of stuff maybe not... | 20:59 |
| fishbulb | i have nowhwere to stsay in nl either but at least am a citizen. maybe they have a similar deal with homeless shelters | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | swb: sometimes there are last minute dirt-cheap flight tickets available | 21:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | family friends? | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | need to camp at the airport for that tho | 21:00 |
| fishbulb | its a two thoudsand euro bike and around 70kg of bags. tools and stuff. | 21:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | true I said a quick check on a compare site | 21:00 |
| fishbulb | family all dead | 21:00 |
| fishbulb | in that country anyway | 21:01 |
| fishbulb | is there some iind of bike storage because a hostel never takes a bike | 21:02 |
| fishbulb | this is a mess. it doesnt take long to get into this situation. youd be shocked | 21:04 |
| fishbulb | isnt basically everyone in here german or near there | 21:05 |
| sicelo | no, of course not | 21:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | er no | 21:06 |
| fishbulb | the main ones who made a lot of n900 apps | 21:08 |
| fishbulb | european? | 21:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Wouldn't there be a Dutch representative in Germany? TBH I would expect places like that to be in Berlin. | 21:08 |
| sicelo | african | 21:08 |
| fishbulb | they dont handle this | 21:10 |
| fishbulb | i can pay a coach or something | 21:10 |
| fishbulb | german actually offers to pay the airfare to get you out and away from the social security system | 21:11 |
| fishbulb | without a high level of german you are totally screwed for work anyway. | 21:13 |
| fishbulb | it takes more than half a year to learn that much german if youre good with language | 21:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Surely they would give you some advise on either getting home or where you can go at home. | 21:14 |
| fishbulb | just like this place it only has to be a roof. once you are out of the office the prtty beauraucrat doesnt care what happens | 21:16 |
| fishbulb | its just some idiot working a job they hate created by the government to employ people | 21:16 |
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| fishbulb | even if they see you as human they cant do anything about where you sleep | 21:18 |
| fishbulb | first cheapest result on google with a vacancy | 21:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would be my first attempt for information about getting home if I was in that situation. | 21:19 |
| fishbulb | seriously every squat ive seen is better than this place. all of them. | 21:19 |
| fishbulb | they do not care | 21:21 |
| fishbulb | if it was some political asylum thing they might otherwise youre in for a loot of debt | 21:21 |
| fishbulb | whats the coach site that you looked at? | 21:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://www.goeuro.com/travel-search/results/1051129599/bus?locale=en | 21:29 |
| fishbulb | is goeuro good? | 21:31 |
| fishbulb | how big is this screen | 21:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I believe it is a compare site? no idea. FlixBus will allow cycles and extra luggage at small extra charge. Some coach companies will not. | 21:35 |
| fishbulb | its not a giant bike but it is a bike | 21:37 |
| fishbulb | sending it isnt an option with no fixed address | 21:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | checkmybus.com seem like another compare site with more info on luggage | 21:40 |
| fishbulb | thanks | 21:42 |
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| fishbulb | is the n900 just a linux tablet with a 3g device? if my ip is visible herecan some kali kid do the same stuff theyd do with a normal computer? | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | but difference being linux tablets usually run androids | 22:30 |
| fishbulb | but this is full linux | 22:34 |
| fishbulb | full but old linux | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:34 |
| fishbulb | how do i even test for foul play on this | 22:35 |
| APic | How would You make Your IP visible? | 22:43 |
| fishbulb | how would i make it invisible | 22:45 |
| APic | USB Networking? | 22:46 |
| fishbulb | usb networking with what | 22:55 |
| APic | With something dark | 22:55 |
| fishbulb | what? | 22:58 |
| APic | Anything | 22:58 |
| APic | You cannot see in the Dark | 22:59 |
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