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| sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: wha's wrong with LE? | 00:05 |
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| sicelo | my country has recently decided that all SIM cards needs to get registered. however, for some weird reason, at least one of the cellular providers wants to also take pictures of everyone registering O.o | 00:32 |
| sicelo | https://www.facebook.com/MTNSz/photos/a.345689938850419.82445.340616289357784/1773013759451356/?type=3&theater | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: LE is a) very centralized with possible single point of failure / attack vector for whole internet literally. b) trades in expense for increased complexity and I am one of those weird folks that thin sysadmin time is worth real money c) didn't work a felt 1 dozen times now for devuan, thanks to the aforementioned complexity *D*) doesn't allow cert-pinning *E*) isn't at all about authentication, now every silly script kiddie can | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get free-as-in-beer annonymous certs | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nota Bene the whole thing is "let's ENCRYPT" _not_ "lets AUTHENTICATE" | 05:09 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You may have some valid points but part of the reason why I switched to using LE is to automate the process of renewing the certificate because I wanted to avoid outages caused by the certificate expiring and do not want to spend my time on a chore if the process can be automated. A computer should enable its user to work more efficiently by automating repetitive tasks, not to make the user work for the computer. | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | balance for devuan (estimation): installing & configuring of LE on devuan servers: 3h, managing tickets, bugfixing and handling other fallout from outtime due to failed renewals during last 2 years: 5 * 3h (all incl chat and whatnot on admin meetings, customer support etc); TOTAL 18h * (don't beat me, I'd be more generous in RL) 20€ = 360€ TCO. /// For a simple 2year wildcard business cert: 1h handling aka 20€ + cert 180€ = | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 200€ | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's *very* conservative and in favor of LE. I'd rather use a 50 to 100€ per hour, and way more hours for handling the fallout / collateral damage, plus I'd factor in reputation damages too | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this would multiply the ratio by factor 10 | 05:52 |
| Maxdamantus | regarding the SPOF issue .. isn't the whole certificate system already subject to many points of failure? | 06:02 |
| Maxdamantus | Everyone already trusts every root CA. | 06:02 |
| Maxdamantus | Just have to hope that some CA doesn't authenticate some Iranian organisation or something as google.com | 06:03 |
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