IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2018-07-12

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OksanaHmm... Does Nokia N900/Maemo 5 Remantle have something like "Wake On LAN"? So that when one N900 says "low battery", it also emits "wake up" signal to another (powered down) Nokia N900, and once it wakes up, transfers/syncs all the stuff changed since last sync (contacts, SMS/IMs/calls, calendar05:50
Oksanaevents, web-browsing history, email/SMS/IM drafts, photographs/audio/videos)...05:50
OksanaAnd once both devices are in sync, the "low battery" device shuts down and the other one takes over the role of "everyday device", allowing user to seamlessly continue doing whatever user was doing, without having to interrupt for "change of battery" or "plug this device into a charger"?05:51
OksanaGranted, all this complication is unnecessary when it is possible to swap batteries for device while it is switched on.05:52
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r00t|homeOksana: battery swap while running is possible, but rather fragile... it's been documented by somebody, i tried it06:12
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r00t|homeOksana: syncing the whole device state is a fun idea... but it seems a bad idea to sync all at once, especially when low on battery... i'd guess continously syncing would be more useful... and probably easiest done by offloading everything to "the cloud"... :\06:17
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OksanaOr most of the data to be synchronised would be written down to memory card, and once one N900 is shut down, the memory card would go to another N900 (with full battery)06:46
OksanaAlong with SIM card ^ In short, sounds troublesome06:47
Oksana"Cloud" is not a reliable concept, especially when cellular data is not only limited (and going over the limit is expensive), but also unavailable (say, intercity/interstate train - cellular reception isn't available everywhere)06:49
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MaxdamantusCould probably just implement it using uswsusp, where you write the result over the network instead of to a file/partition.07:06
Maxdamantus(though that involves writing and reading up to the size of memory + swap over the network)07:07
MaxdamantusWell, need to somehow keep MMC/SD/NAND in sync too.07:08
MaxdamantusYeah, what you want is pretty much just a dumb cloud device.e07:08
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sparreWhy not just carry a USB powerbank instead of an extra N900?07:31
sparreYou have to find one that is wired correctly though.  The one I bought for my wife doesn't work with my N900.07:32
sparreApparently some USB ports and powerbanks are wired in such a way that the N900 can't get power from them.  The "charging" ports on my Lenovo docking station are one example (but then I use the ordinary ports for charging).07:35
KotCzarnyi've recently bought cheapo powerbank07:38
KotCzarnyn900 had no trouble charging from it07:38
KotCzarnymaybe i was just lucky07:38
KotCzarnyit's half the size of n900, yet has ~4Ah@5V, which means it could charge the n900 4-6 times07:40
KotCzarnyon the label it's written 5000mAh, but charge meter showed 4Ah07:40
KotCzarnywhat is cool is that i was expecting 1/4 of that for the price07:41
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sparreKotCzarny: I may have been unlucky.  I should try with some other powerbanks.07:52
MaxdamantusI'm guessing the issue would just be the lack of a bridge between D+/D-, which can probably be solved easily.08:18
Maxdamantus(if you're able to open it, you could probably just solder the pins together, or tape some aluminium foil over them if you aren't able to solder)08:19
Maxdamantusotherwise could just modify a cable (won't be usable as a data cable anymore).08:20
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Hurriana bit off topic, but I swapped fans on my UPS for slower, quieter models, and now it's throwing a fan fault thanks to probably a current sensing circuit.15:03
Hurrianhow would I go around adding dummy current load to the fans in the laziest way possible?15:04
KotCzarnyresistor in parallel?15:05
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Hurrianah right, didn't think of that15:14
Hurriangonna need 2x 2W resistors :o15:15
KotCzarnyor just add some nice blinkenlichts15:15
KotCzarnyyou can also add some SBC to use that power for something useful instead of just heat15:15
KotCzarnyallwinner a20/a64/h3/h5 draw 0.5-2W in idle/under load15:16
Vajbput enough fans in series so voltage will drop :p15:16
KotCzarnys/0.5-2W/0.5-2A15:16
KotCzarnyhe doesnt want to drop voltage15:17
KotCzarny:)15:17
HurrianNeeds to take in 12V though - considering just replacing the current sense resistor with a normal resistor at fixed value but that's harder15:17
Maxdamantusincreased current = decreased voltage15:17
HurrianNot sure whats causing my UPS to switch to bypass mode though, theoretically even with a fan fault it should keep running15:18
HurrianSuspecting increased heat thanks to the slower fans, so gonna keep it in front of the A/C for the night15:18
KotCzarnyput a thermo probe and log?15:19
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Hurrianif it's that, then I'll definitely just add a normal 120mm PC fan in it to keep the NTC thermistor happy :p15:19
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HurrianKotCzarny: doesn't really matter how many ohms resistor I use right? just that I get the right wattage to increase amp draw?15:39
KotCzarnyi'm not an expert in electronics, but watts on resistor is tied to resistance15:41
KotCzarnyso yeah15:41
KotCzarnyp=i*i*r15:41
KotCzarnystill, get an answer from someone skilled in electronics to make sure15:45
MaxdamantusThe wattage rating is the maximum power dissipation for the resistor.15:46
MaxdamantusThe power it draws still depends on the supplied voltage and the actual resistance. You're just not meant to use a voltage high enough that it uses more than that power rating, otherwise it will overheat.15:48
Maxdamantus(disclaimer: I'm also not skilled in electronics)15:48
Maxdamantusas KotCzarny said, P = I*I*R, or P = V*V*R, which should be simple enough to use when putting the resistors in parallel.15:53
inzP=V*V/R15:55
Maxdamantuser, yes, oops.15:55
inzHigh school pays off, wohoo.15:57
bencohhaha :)15:57
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Maxdamantusso to dissipate 4 W over say 12 V, you need (V^2)/P = (12 V)^2/(4 W) = 36 Ohm of resistance.16:00
Maxdamantus(and the resistor needs to be rated at at least 4 W)16:00
Maxdamantusdunno what margins are like .. never played with power resistors16:01
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r00t|homeHurrian: it's more likely the rpm sensor... nobody would monitor the current of a fan (that i can think of)18:01
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r00t|homeHurrian: i had that with a dell server PSU... i ended up connecting the cpu fan's rpm sensor output to the power supply's fan connector's rpm input18:01
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Hurrianthanks guys, got it to work - tried a huge 5W resistor and it stopped the fan from spinning, then tried a 1/2 watt resistor and it spun right up and cleared the fan error :D19:43
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