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| paeonia | hi folks. quick query - i have an n900 running some flavour of maemo. its currently stuck at an"enter lock code" window, which wont go away. until now, for all the time ive used it, its never had a lock code. is there any way to remove that? | 02:20 |
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| paeonia | pretty sure it half opened in my pocket when i was working today so what other damage being poked at in my pocket has done is unknown | 02:21 |
| paeonia | any help getting it working properly again would be much appreciated | 02:21 |
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| Maxdamantus | paeonia: have you tried entering something like "0000"? iirc there is some default lock code. | 02:43 |
| Maxdamantus | Actually, apparently it's "12345" | 02:50 |
| paeonia | none of the default codes work | 02:51 |
| paeonia | i also have no ssh access | 02:51 |
| paeonia | and it defaults to the lock screen on boot, even when there is no sim in it | 02:51 |
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| paeonia | the phone was originally my partners and he had it for about a year, during which time he secured it, however since then he has forgotten what code he used on it was | 02:53 |
| paeonia | ive been using the phone for about 7 years now and i didnt even know it could be locked like that tbh | 02:53 |
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| Juesto | paeonia: it's maemo Fremantle | 03:04 |
| Juesto | apparently there's some kind of bug with lock | 03:04 |
| paeonia | is there a fix of any sort? | 03:05 |
| Juesto | i get the lock prompt in maemo leste when i click save in device lock applet | 03:05 |
| Juesto | no idea, sorry | 03:05 |
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| Juesto | paeonia: try codes or boot to some form of recovery where you could delete the keylock file as root | 03:08 |
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| paeonia | i cant find anything about a recovery mode on the n900 | 03:33 |
| paeonia | i have no access to the file system at all | 03:33 |
| paeonia | and default codes do nothing | 03:33 |
| paeonia | tbh all i really want to do is get the contacts i have off the phone | 03:34 |
| jonwil | ~rescueos | 03:34 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 03:34 |
| jonwil | paeonia: RescueOS is what you want, it can reset the lock code (among other things). Full instructions are available at that link. | 03:36 |
| paeonia | just reading through the doc for it now | 03:36 |
| paeonia | jonwil: absolutely fantastic! | 03:46 |
| paeonia | thank you so much, that sorted it | 03:46 |
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| pae_phone | jonwil: thanks again, im on here on the phone that minutes ago was little more than a paperweight! | 03:57 |
| jonwil | RescueOS has saved my N900 in the past as well | 03:57 |
| jonwil | In particular it saved my phone after I somehow accidentally installed a new set of kernel modules but didn't install the matching kernel (which rendered the phone unbootable) | 03:58 |
| pae_phone | ive saved off a copy of the docs and images incase i need it again | 03:58 |
| pae_phone | it definitely handy | 03:58 |
| pae_phone | anyways, im going to crash now, i can sleep a little easier without the weight of a broken phone on my mind | 03:59 |
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| pae_phone | much appreciated, take care | 04:00 |
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| Juesto | what is control+shift+n supposed to do? it's freezing ui on leste | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 05:29 |
| Juesto | osso xterm gconf is inverted for toolbar and toolbar_fullscreen | 05:30 |
| Juesto | wtf? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl+sh+N does nothing per default afaik | 05:30 |
| Juesto | really? | 05:30 |
| Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: p n and x are the basic default control+shift things | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | p is printscreen and x is xterm, n I never heard of and does nothing on my plain device | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mhd | 05:31 |
| infobot | well, mhd is [Modified Hildon Desktop] included and improved in ~CSSU, also see ~matan, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mirrors/matan/my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html DO NOT INSTALL MHD when you have CSSU!! the CSSU version is more recent! | 05:31 |
| Juesto | ah composite mode | 05:32 |
| Juesto | makes sense | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, forgot about composite | 05:33 |
| Juesto | ah | 05:41 |
| Juesto | leste is using cssu which in turn its mhd as for h-d is concerned | 05:42 |
| Juesto | a light background makes blur have a fps hit, interesting | 05:44 |
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| brolin_empey | I successfully used the “Generic IBM Graphics 9pin” printer driver/model on Windows 10 for x86-64 to print a Windows Printer Test Page on normal paper in my dot-matrix impact computer printer from the 1980s. :-D I wonder if Windows 1.x supports this printer too? | 10:51 |
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| buZz | waw :D | 11:11 |
| buZz | +1 nerdcredz brolin_empey | 11:11 |
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| jonwil | Time to see just how far I can get with compiling the Firefox 24 source code in the Fremantle dev environment. | 13:32 |
| bencoh | ohmy | 13:40 |
| bencoh | are you sure you want to do that? | 13:40 |
| jonwil | That's the whole point of the work I am doing | 13:41 |
| Maxdamantus | Presumably he just means in the SDK, not on the device. | 13:41 |
| jonwil | I said Fremantle dev environment | 13:41 |
| jonwil | I am not stupid enough to try and compile anything (much less Gecko) on an actual N900 | 13:42 |
| bencoh | don't worry, I didn't implied you meant to build on device :) | 13:42 |
| jonwil | The whole point of what I am doing is to update microb-engine to something newer, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100296 | 13:43 |
| jonwil | FF24 is the best choice since its the first version to have TLS 1.2 support (the key feature I want) but its old enough that it predates the "remove all Maemo support from the Mozilla tree" commit | 13:43 |
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| Maxdamantus | in terms of UIs, I think conkeror is pretty suitable for N900, runs on versions up to the major release a few months ago. | 13:47 |
| Maxdamantus | but when I looked into it years ago, I couldn't get it to run smoothly on xulrunner-24 in a debian chroot. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | iirc it ran smoothly on microb-xulrunner, but that was a bit glitchy. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, not so much smoothly, but memory efficiently. | 13:49 |
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| jonwil | And of course my attempt to build the Firefox 24.8.1 ESR codebase fails right away with a Python syntax error (probably because the ancient 2.5.2-11.1maemo3+0m5 Python version in Scratchbox is too old) | 13:58 |
| jonwil | Ok, found a newer version of Python (2.5.4-1maemo6), lets see what that does. | 14:03 |
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| jonwil | Yeah looks like we need Python 2.7 for this | 14:10 |
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| jonwil | Looks like we have most of the dependencies listed on the "linux prerequisites" page dated back to the release of FF 24, its just Python that is out-of-date | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why python to build FF? | 14:20 |
| jonwil | Parts of the build system are written in Python | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy | 14:20 |
| jonwil | Looks like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91341 has Python 2.7 build instructions so we should be good on that. | 14:21 |
| jonwil | and now I see python 2.7 is in extras-devel. | 14:23 |
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| jonwil | So I will see if I can grab that. | 14:24 |
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| jonwil | ok, that worked. | 14:32 |
| jonwil | Great, now I need GCC 4.4 :( | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | is that a problem? 4.7.2 should be available | 14:34 |
| KotCzarny | and newer ones, but 4.7.2 is available for sdk too | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | beware of 4.6, it's buggy | 14:35 |
| jonwil | Where do I get 4.7.2 for the SDK and what other bits do I need to get to make that work (and what, if anything, would I need to upgrade on my N900 itself as a result of upgrading the SDK to 4.7.2?) | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 | 14:38 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, using thumb is probably very good idea for firefox | 14:38 |
| jonwil | I want to make it so the results of my work can be installed on top of an N900 with current CSSU-testing installed with as few things to install as possible | 14:39 |
| jonwil | Especially I don't want something that requires a new kernel if I can avoid it | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | i compile oscp with 4.7.2 | 14:40 |
| KotCzarny | though i glue in libstdc statically because i dont want to create any new dependencies | 14:41 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, oscp works even on stock img afair | 14:41 |
| jonwil | Static linking probably isn't viable for Firefox. | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | only for libstdc, not for everything | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | but again, try building it first, worry later | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | you can probably just drop in that lib into ff tree and start with LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it uses c++ at all | 14:46 |
| jonwil | FF is pretty much ALL C++ :) | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | then yeah, what i've said above applies | 14:47 |
| jonwil | I dont think statically linking libstdc++ is going to work for Firefox since it passes things across binary boundaries and is likely built with the assumption that every binary in the process is talking to the same libstdc++ code | 14:52 |
| jonwil | In any case once I get something that builds I can worry about finding a non-thumb version of the GCC 4.7 libs at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/g/gcc-4.7/ | 14:52 |
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| enyc | brolin_empey: i'm not sure original windows even was aware of printers per-se, applications did their own thing to talk to lpt1 and all that =) | 15:05 |
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| jonwil | Wikipedia says that Windows 1.0 did include printer drivers | 15:09 |
| enyc | o dear ;p | 15:09 |
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| jonwil | I think its a good idea to document the exact steps I am taking when I setup the build environment for the FF 24 code so that other people can reproduce what I am doing. | 15:35 |
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| bencoh | definitely | 15:37 |
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| Juesto | lol | 16:08 |
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| jonwil | ok, now I have hit another snag. Looks like I need cairo 1.10 but I cant find anything newer than 1.8.8 for Fremantle. | 16:59 |
| Juesto | jonwil: try debian? i think cairo wasn't modified by nokia? | 17:01 |
| Juesto | you can literally download any package from any repository :) | 17:01 |
| bencoh | . . . | 17:02 |
| bencoh | Juesto: seriously ... | 17:02 |
| Juesto | bencoh: What? | 17:02 |
| Juesto | ugh... | 17:03 |
| jonwil | Definitely something Nokia specific in there, the string HILDON__DONT_USE_THIS_ONE__CAIRO_CONTENT_COLOR16 shows up. | 17:04 |
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| Juesto | oh okay, then i guess modify a newer cairo and compile :) | 17:04 |
| Juesto | or, does whatever needs cairo 1.10 actually use it's features? perhaps it could be backported to 1.8.8 | 17:05 |
| jonwil | The way to go I guess is to do a "blame" on the configure.in file and see what commit bumped the Cairo version (and from there figure out why we need 1.10) | 17:09 |
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| Juesto | :) | 17:13 |
| enyc | Hrrm... rebuilding firefox // some sort of browser _in_ maemo is one thing... | 17:15 |
| enyc | What about updated devuan armhf chroot image, and making that firefox/minature-browsers appear on the main x-server efficiently .... ??? | 17:16 |
| enyc | Devuan ascii armhf chroot image, aiui should be do-able ontop of maemo armel or so...? | 17:16 |
| jonwil | Ok so its clear the Debian packaging for Cairo was created by Nokia and not by Debian ir anyone else. | 17:17 |
| jonwil | So the way to solve the problem is to forward-port all the bits to Cairo 1.10 and use that. | 17:19 |
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| jonwil | Or possibly just to figure out what those local bits actually DO and then figure out if using in-tree Cairo is safe or not. | 17:32 |
| Juesto | :) | 17:34 |
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| sicelo | i wonder if N900 won't suffocate with RAM on FF24 ... | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | it will :) | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:13 |
| * sicelo puts it on record that the backs the FF24 efforts | 22:13 | |
| KotCzarny | wouldnt be worse than fennec, i guess | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | but so will microb do, if you try to open some heavy site | 22:14 |
| sicelo | s/the/he/ | 22:14 |
| sicelo | will be interesting to see. fennec-17 relates to which FF version? | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | i would guess to firefox 17 | 22:15 |
| sicelo | makes sense, yes | 22:19 |
| Wizzup | in fact, newer firefox probably uses -less ram- | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | that changes around firefox 34 i think | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | i think there was some big change that replaced whole gtk ui with xul one | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | not sure about exact moment when it happend | 22:21 |
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| peetah | Wizzup: sorry to intrude, but actually, from my experience, since 57, while not unusable, FF is very very very difficult to use on a laptop with 512Mo | 22:25 |
| peetah | I had to go back to 52 ESR | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | while their engine got faster, they also started multiprocess, which means mem usage quadrupled on quad core | 22:27 |
| Wizzup | oh, I use only fx 52 | 22:34 |
| Wizzup | haven't tried newer | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | not recommended | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | unless you are prepared to cutomize your experience with extensions | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | *customize | 22:36 |
| Wizzup | hehe | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont rely on extension, then, yeah, go for it | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | *extensions | 22:38 |
| sicelo | i use the latest one in debian sid .. have 1GB RAM on X40. not using extensions | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | what is latest in sid? | 22:40 |
| KotCzarny | i have 1.5gb of ram in my x40, yet ff57 often goes suicidal on mem and starts swapping like hell | 22:41 |
| * Wizzup has no swap | 22:41 | |
| Wizzup | prefer to see something killed | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | tbh i browse lots of imgur in random mode | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | and most likely x/ff caches them too much | 22:42 |
| sicelo | just checked, 60.0.1 works ok for me. | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: i prefer having swap to see when ff goes haywire | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | 60 is a bit old i think | 22:42 |
| sicelo | could be | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | 61b9 is out | 22:43 |
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