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| sixwheeledbeast | We wouldn't be here if it was just any old OS? There also wouldn't be devs trying to port it if it had a terrible UX. | 00:55 |
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| Juesto | hug | 01:21 |
| Juesto | huh | 01:21 |
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| Juesto | how's that exactly | 01:21 |
| Juesto | why this community is alive then | 01:21 |
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| KotCzarny | because it's a nice linux phone | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | and few folks work hard to make the software fully open and current | 01:24 |
| Wizzup | too hard ;) | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | and because it's old good nokia, it's good | 01:24 |
| Juesto | why when there's Android which easily can supersede maemo and is much flexible | 01:28 |
| Juesto | :/ | 01:29 |
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| Wizzup | KotCzarny: speaking of which, we could use a sunxi port maintainer ;p | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: sure, why not, what i need to do? | 01:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maemo has a well designed UI that is far superior to the others IMO. | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | juesto: because android is treating you as a commodity. you are used by android, not the other way round | 01:50 |
| Juesto | Huh | 01:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Flexibility is also relative to the user, being able to pull up a terminal maybe important some and unused by others | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | also, with android you almost always have no update possibility | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | afair google obsoleted anything older than droid6 (or 5) | 01:52 |
| Juesto | no update possiblity? | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 01:52 |
| Juesto | uh things evolve | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | closed kernels + blobs means no newer android for you | 01:52 |
| Juesto | there's a point where the hardware can't run it, like everything | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that. | 01:53 |
| Juesto | android is foss | 01:53 |
| Juesto | and there's lineage os/cyanogen | 01:53 |
| Juesto | for the updateability | 01:53 |
| KotCzarny | sure, android might be foss in most parts | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | but it's the closed bits that put you in 'obsoleted' bin | 01:54 |
| Juesto | i know | 01:54 |
| Juesto | you can still use aosp without belonging to the google ecosystem | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but for what? | 01:55 |
| Juesto | and the same thing is happening with google chrome and chromium | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | once app you want requires google services, you are done | 01:55 |
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| Juesto | ehh | 01:56 |
| Juesto | fdroid for that | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 01:56 |
| Juesto | :/ | 01:56 |
| Juesto | oh well blame the app devs then | 01:56 |
| Juesto | what else | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not talking about installing apps, i'm talking about apps that rely on particular libraries/services | 01:56 |
| Juesto | yeah those stuff are contemplated on fdroid | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | also, i'm not saying that you can't use android, if it suits you, go for it | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer linux | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | and that's why i'm sticking with n900 | 01:58 |
| Juesto | eh what I'm just wondering after all is about this os why it wasn't let it extinguish | 01:59 |
| Juesto | like all the other outdated oses | 01:59 |
| Juesto | ugh, what a dumb topic | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | dont worry, kids today wont ever know what is linux | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | and in a few generations wont know what is inside their shiny toys | 02:00 |
| Juesto | you don't say? | 02:02 |
| Juesto | linux is used in education a lot | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | just you wait | 02:04 |
| Juesto | ? | 02:05 |
| Juesto | KotCzarny: wdym | 02:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | there are many reasons why, as above its a bit of a vague and subjective question I suppose. | 02:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maemo really has stood the test of time, if you think about it. OS2005 was released before iOS and Android. | 02:31 |
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| timeless | hi KotCzarny | 02:41 |
| * timeless is looking for someone familiar w/ debian-exim4 | 02:41 | |
| KotCzarny | timeless: ahoy | 02:41 |
| * timeless is trying to configure it to (1) allow incoming mail (only for the computer itself); (2) allow outgoing mail (only from the computer itself); (3) not allow incoming mail to be sent to another computer | 02:42 | |
| timeless | I have computers that are properly configured to do that... | 02:43 |
| timeless | but so far it seems that my configuration of exim4 hasn't resulted in that :-( | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | maybe configure catch all for outgoing mail not directed to localhost ? | 02:44 |
| timeless | got it | 02:45 |
| timeless | the trick is that `dc_relay_domains=...` doesn't apply to localhost, but does apply to everything else... | 02:45 |
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| CatButts | jesus, the low-battery alarm is scary | 03:09 |
| CatButts | especially when it's 2 am and you are trying to sleep :p | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | what low battery alarm? | 03:09 |
| CatButts | the default one from n900 | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | never heard it | 03:10 |
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| Oksana | Never heard it. Granted, I like to put computers on silent... | 04:50 |
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| Juesto | :) | 04:56 |
| Juesto | hi Oksana | 04:56 |
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| Vajb | if you were to avoid double booking would you focus on mysql constraint or java gui to accomblish this? (KotCzarny, yes it is a school project ;)) | 08:22 |
| Vajb | hmm is it accomplish? | 08:23 |
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| sicelo | wow Oksana! | 08:45 |
| * sicelo loves the sound when connecting a charger | 08:47 | |
| KotCzarny | vajb: whats 'double booking' | 08:57 |
| Juesto | lol | 09:09 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders what sound it's meant to make. | 09:20 | |
| Maxdamantus | maybe it doesn't have it on my system because I got it to stop showing the dialogue when plugging it in. | 09:21 |
| * Maxdamantus can't remember how he did that. | 09:21 | |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, it probably gets enabled with 'system sounds' | 09:22 |
| * KotCzarny hates phones beeping and twinking on touch | 09:22 | |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: actually Wizzup's idea sounds good :). Someone to integrate lima with leste would be of great help, for example. | 09:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm not a fan of random sounds when using UIs, though I like touch vibration. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: isnt it done already? also, i suspect it would require separate repo for that, i think mali blob doesnt have open copyright | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | why separate repo? | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | devuan doesnt have strict legal requirements? | 09:26 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I am not sure I get what you mean, however, leste repos are not hosted to devuan infra, but on maemo infra | 09:28 |
| freemangordon | *hosted on | 09:28 |
| freemangordon | also, mali blobs are on github | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, havent checked in a long time | 09:29 |
| freemangordon | BTW, does lima require blobs? | 09:29 |
| freemangordon | I was under impression it is a proper drm driver | 09:30 |
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| freemangordon | with 3d support built-in | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | if you talk about yuq's work, it's not entirely usable yet | 09:30 |
| freemangordon | they posted a patch on lkml a few days ago | 09:30 |
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| freemangordon | yes, I know it might be not fully usable, but wvantually it will become | 09:31 |
| freemangordon | *eventually | 09:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i hope for that too | 09:31 |
| freemangordon | in the meanwhile we can at least check how "not ready" it is, by trying to run h-d on top :) | 09:32 |
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| freemangordon | TBH I think it will work as h-d doesn;t use that much of fancy GL stuff, besides some basic shaders and operations | 09:33 |
| freemangordon | also I hope that seeing us trying to use that driver will give its authors additional reasoning to not give up | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | i'm still wondering about yuq's motivation | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | he came out of the blue with his work | 09:35 |
| freemangordon | however, ATM neither me nor Wizzup have the time needed to spend on sunxi kernel/lima driver | 09:35 |
| KotCzarny | and it might even be against his amd work | 09:35 |
| freemangordon | no idea | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | but I think his work is based on older work don by some other guy | 09:36 |
| freemangordon | s/older/previous | 09:37 |
| freemangordon | sorry, still having my first coffee for the day :) | 09:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:39 |
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| Wizzup | KotCzarny: sorry that I left after my first remark, I was tired and wanted to think about what I was going to say ;) | 11:41 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: basically it'd be nice to have someone work a bit on our sunxi port - so that'd be testing on a few sunxi devices, checking that the basic stuff works. mali and/or lima support would be very welcome (olimex olinuxino a20 with llvmpipe is a real pain for basically anything) | 11:42 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I also have quite a bunch of sunxi devices but I want to spend my time on writing sw that runs on all the devices we 'support'. Maybe you also have some clues as to nice/cool/useful devices. I have an a33 tablet somewhere. | 11:43 |
| Wizzup | But practically, I think it'd be some kernel stuff, testing kernels/images/drivers, and write some stuff on the wiki :) | 11:43 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: fwiw #maemo-leste exists, it might be good to take it there at some point if you're (somewhat) interested | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | i have only a31 and a13 devices (regarding display featuring ones) | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | but i could work on a20/h3 too | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | since they could be easily supplemented with touchscreens | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | I also have a lime2 with two different olimex touchscreens, the 4.3" and 7" ones | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | I just haven't found the time to make them work (well really, work again, I had the 4.3" one working at some point) | 11:45 |
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| KotCzarny | saved to TODO | 11:50 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: ack, if you can join the channel that might also serve as a useful reminder ;) | 11:52 |
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| sicelo | KotCzarny: The old CHIP seems to have A13 & Mali-400. do you think it would be worth something trying leste on it? or waste of time :) | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | sure, n900 has much slower cpu, so leste should work | 13:01 |
| sicelo | i wonder how much of its hardware is mainlined (CHIP) | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | a lot | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | as usual: http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | in fact c.h.i.p. could make pretty awesome leste showcase | 13:03 |
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| sicelo | mmm, i should dust mine off then. have two, but never really got time to use them | 13:04 |
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| sicelo | and the mali 400 seems to be targetted in yuq's work, unless i don't follow correctly | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 13:07 |
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| Vajb | KotCzarny: it is project to make mysql database with java gui for fictional company renting holiday cabins. So i wanted something to avoid double booking | 14:43 |
| Vajb | but it works nowas intended | 14:43 |
| Vajb | took four hours to figure out how i can make it happen | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:44 |
| Vajb | so i was searching for hint of where to look at | 14:45 |
| Vajb | since i had no idea in which level it would be most effective | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | well, you would have to implement some session or reservation system | 14:46 |
| Vajb | but as of now gui shows list of cabins which are available in the day span that user wants to | 14:46 |
| Vajb | probably not wise solution since now it has to make three separate database queries when days and location are selected | 14:47 |
| Vajb | nut school is only evaluating things which work, not how they work | 14:48 |
| Vajb | but* | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | work 100% correct first, optimize later | 14:51 |
| Vajb | it is about there :) | 14:52 |
| Vajb | expecting 5 for a grade ;) | 14:53 |
| Vajb | (on a scale 0-5) | 14:53 |
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