IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2018-05-15

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brolin_empeySo, I received a spam mail message written in German but sent to my .be mail address meant to be from a young woman with an attached photograph of her nude and holding some model of Apple iPhone or iPod Touch in front of a mirror.  Is she some type of forbidden fruit, pun intended?07:22
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brolin_empeyThe Icon of Sin (iOS)?07:26
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Maxdamantus23:04:16 < Wizzup> another overhyped nonsense thing :)13:31
MaxdamantusWonder if that came from HN.13:31
MaxdamantusLooked at it last night regarding that issue, and it was just a bunch of people seeming to claim that it's not really a security issue, blah blah blah13:32
MaxdamantusThe general position seems to have reversed there, so the upvoted comments are the ones that actually fairly explain how it is a problem.13:32
Wizzupno, I stand by this13:32
MaxdamantusThat the default behaviour of major email clients such as Thunderbird and iOS pretty much allowing an XSS-style MITM attack to extract decrypted messages is not an issue?13:34
Maxdamantus(and where the behaviour is pretty much standardised)13:35
KotCzarnyonly i you use them13:35
MaxdamantusYeah, that's probably the main argument against it being considered a *serious* issue.13:36
WizzupMaxdamantus: "OpenPGP broken"13:36
Wizzup"Stop sending encrypted emails"13:36
WizzupI didn't have to change a darn thing in my setup.13:36
Wizzuphtml email is broken - news at 11.13:36
Maxdamantus"I didn't have to change a darn thing"13:37
MaxdamantusIt's not about you.13:37
MaxdamantusIt's about people who read your emails.13:37
WizzupI do not send html emails.13:37
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MaxdamantusOkay, so it's about people who read other people's encrypted emails then.13:38
Maxdamantus"It doesn't affect me" isn't a very strong argument against a standard system being broken.13:38
WizzupI reject that html emails were ever a good idea. And the paper said they broke openpgp. When in fact their exploit had nothing to do with openpgp13:39
Wizzupjust with crappy/buggy mail clients/plugins that didn't check for gnupg errors.13:39
MaxdamantusThe problem doesn't care that you think it's a bad idea.13:39
WizzupThey tried to hype it to get media attention.13:39
WizzupAnd that is plain stupid.13:39
MaxdamantusIt's a problem regardless of what you think about HTML emails.13:39
MaxdamantusI don't like Windows. Doesn't mean its security issues are not important.13:40
WizzupYes, and I can still have an opinion about the release, how it was released, and how it was way over hyped for what it actually does13:40
Wizzupno key retrieval, no RCE, just being able to inject some crap in s/mime because it sucks13:40
Wizzup(and then read singular emails)13:40
Wizzupupdate sw, done.13:40
WizzupNo need to say "STOP USING ALL ENCRYPTED EMAIL NOW"13:40
WizzupGee, thanks EFF.13:40
WizzupI need to do work :)13:41
KotCzarnystill, it's about damage fallout13:43
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KotCzarnywindoze has a lots of bugs and exploits are higly rated/news'ed13:43
KotCzarnyi dont use windowze, right, but i one starts getting banged by windoze botnet, no such thing as a 'not my problem'13:44
KotCzarnyin emails case, it's about things you (generic you), would like to keep secret13:45
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KotCzarnythink: national security etc13:47
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KotCzarnyofftopic but..:
inzIs this some kind of beauty is in the eye of the beholder meta-joke?14:26
KotCzarnyyup. niche joke14:26
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KotCzarnykinda old story, isnt it15:53
APicLinus is fucking bribable15:54
APicEven xkcd got that15:54
KotCzarnyisnt that art saying opposite?15:55
DocScrutinizer05APic: huh?15:55
DocScrutinizer05I can assure you none of Devuan devels bribed Linus to think systemd is crap15:56
DocScrutinizer05it's a simple fact15:57
siceloiirc Linus doesn't use any de**an anyway16:05
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MaxdamantusWizzup: they complain about descriptions then say "ProtonMail is not impacted by the Efail PGP vulnerabilities"16:29
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't matter which distro you use16:29
MaxdamantusIf you're sending mail to people with insecure email clients, you are impacted.16:30
bencohsomehow, yeah16:30
MaxdamantusIf anyone technical looks into the exploit, sure, they can see it's not to do with PGP itself.16:31
Maxdamantusbut how typical email clients use PGP.16:31
DocScrutinizer05a 15 or 20 years ago I ported editors from some linux to HPUX (iirc) since their editor sucked. Didn't matter back when since *nix = *nix16:32
WizzupMaxdamantus: yes, if someone uses ssh1 or windows 2000, they might also be impacted16:33
Wizzupsuperb analysis :P16:33
MaxdamantusWizzup: which is practically noone.16:33
KotCzarnyi suspect there are a lot more people using win2k than n90016:33
MaxdamantusI can think of at least a couple of people that use Thunderbird or iOS email.16:33
Maxdamantusand I'm guessing there are hundreds of millions more.16:34
DocScrutinizer05until sick suckers like Poettering explicitly say "fsck POSIX, fsck poartbility, linux shall grow up and divert from *nix compatibility" - then he introduced systemd which can't get ported to a huge number of other unixes and forcefed that crap down everybody's throat16:34
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Maxdamantusanyway, sleep16:34
KotCzarnysleep at 3pm? funky16:35
MaxdamantusWed May 16 01:35:13 NZST 201816:35
infobotwell, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
KotCzarnyi know, joking on purpose16:35
APicMaybe xkcd was joking 😉16:38
APicMy Problem is that i take every Joke very serious 😉16:38
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DocScrutinizer05(then he introduced systemd) the result longterm will be that linux can't use any code from other unixes and other unixes can't use linux apps16:39
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DocScrutinizer05(porting editor) it was nedit iirc, and the only thing that didn't work "ootb" was their silly 5k chars long helptext strings that the HPUX cc barfed up upon16:45
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siceloparazyd: if it's not too much trouble, please build iodine for armel in devuan repos18:32
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rhombusSo, since about noon today, my N900 no longer sees any mobile networks.20:30
rhombusI don't recall changing anything; I've tried restarting the device numerous times, even removed the battery twice, no improvement.20:31
rhombusI've switched between "Dual", "3G" and "GSM" modes, also without effect.20:32
rhombusDoes this mean the phone is dead?20:32
rhombusOr could it be the SIM? It does still detect a SIM and prompts me for a PIN when I restart. The SIM is pretty old by now, probably seven years. I haven't tested it in another device yet.20:33
KotCzarnydid you try reinserting sim?20:33
KotCzarnydoes it say 'telephony functions are unavailable' ?20:33
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sixwheeledbeastDo you have a red line through the SIM icon?20:38
rhombussixwheeledbeast: no20:38
sixwheeledbeastCan you try the SIM in something else20:38
rhombusKotCzarny: I did try reinserting the SIM20:38
rhombussixwheeledbeast: I will ask a friend if I can test it in her device20:39
KotCzarnywhen you go to settings -> networks -> manual, does it see any network?20:39
sixwheeledbeastSounds more likely a SIM issue from what you say. It may have been disabled by the operator?20:39
rhombusKotCzarny: Where is "Networks" in Settings?20:40
KotCzarnywell, settings -> phone -> networks -> networks selection20:40
rhombusKotCzarny: Ah, ok, I was wondering :)20:40
rhombusThis does not look good :(20:41
KotCzarnyreport if it find anything20:41
KotCzarnydont select any20:41
sixwheeledbeastPAYG operators often disable SIMs if unused for a period of time.20:41
KotCzarnyand finding networks can take few tens of seconds20:41
rhombussixwheeledbeast: I use this phone all the time and I'm adding money to the account every 4 to 8 weeks20:42
rhombusKotCzarny: Ah! I see three 3G networks now!20:42
KotCzarnyalso, make sure your phone mode is set to dual20:42
KotCzarnyif any of them is your home network, you can try setting it as manual20:42
rhombusKotCzarny: Why does it need to be dual?20:42
sixwheeledbeastIs it normally done with outbound calls, inbound or top ups don't count.20:43
KotCzarnyrhombus: in case your network is the one you didnt select20:43
rhombusI go to the drug store :)20:43
KotCzarnywith dual it looks for both 2g and 3g20:43
rhombusAfter it stopped working, it did not seem to matter whether I switched to dual, 3G or GSM20:43
KotCzarnyok, then go now to home screen and check if you are connected now20:43
rhombusKotCzarny: Ok, now I tried to access the network, and I get a yellow warning stripe saying "No access"20:44
rhombusThis really is starting to seem like a bad SIM20:45
enyctalking of N900's, intersted in maemo/fremantle users feedback on  please =)20:47
KotCzarnyyou can try your wife's wim to confirm20:47
rhombusKotCzarny: right, good idea :)20:48
KotCzarnyor you can use your wife's phone to contact your operator and check what's up20:51
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rhombusok, I'll report back. Thanks for the tips!21:23
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KotCzarnypastebin more21:27
KotCzarnyactual problem is higher21:27
KotCzarnythere is a chance for mmc error21:28
KotCzarnyor full fs21:28
KotCzarnyoops. wrong chan21:28
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