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OksanaIs it possible to somehow have several el-v1.db databases, separated by time or type or sender/receiver of messages? Like, world map isn't stored in one gigantic image - it's stored in tiles. Then, as user reads messages (or searches through them), RAM usage increases, but the granularity of the05:10
Oksana"many files database" still prevents the massive slow down.05:11
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mike727In Melbourne AU, there is a E90 for sale07:47
DocScrutinizer05pkthis would be possible but is not supported by any of the processes using el-v107:57
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: ^^^07:57
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: you could rename the existing db and a backup db, then kill all the processes that use them and they 'magically' jump to the 'new' db07:58
DocScrutinizer05need kill -907:59
DocScrutinizer05unrelated fun, that's how I waste my time when I get silly:
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Sarah2009Hello all :)20:22
Sarah2009i am new to linux i have a small question i want to install a programm called woeusb but somehow it is not accepting my command into the terminal can you help me?20:22
Sarah2009this is what i type in "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"20:23
KotCzarnykeep in mind maemo's apt is from 201020:24
KotCzarnymaybe it didnt knew about ppa and friends by then20:24
KotCzarnypastebin the error ?20:24
Sarah2009i use endless os20:24
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KotCzarnynever heard of it20:25
Sarah2009i did type this code just now "git clone"20:26
Sarah2009and it said done20:26
Sarah2009how can i open the cloned thing now20:26
KotCzarnycd WoeUSB ?20:26
KotCzarnyif you are having troubles with getting areound in command line, try installing mc (midnight commander)20:27
KotCzarnyshould ease looking what and whre20:27
Sarah2009i did type in cd WoeUSB20:27
Sarah2009now it says "WoeUSB$"20:28
Sarah2009but the programm didnt start yet20:28
Sarah2009do you know how i open it?20:28
KotCzarnyyou hjave probably just cloned source20:28
KotCzarnylook for readme or install text files20:29
warfareSarah2009: Instructions are on (starting at "Build from Source")20:30
Sarah2009i am new to linux i don't know which command i need to type in to install it20:31
Sarah2009i do not know if i need debian based20:31
Sarah2009or fedora20:31
Sarah2009so confusing20:34
KotCzarnyread the install instructions20:35
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Sarah2009i tried : "sudo dnf install wxGTK3-devel" didnt work20:38
Sarah2009sudo dnf install wxGTK-devel dh-autoreconf.noarch20:39
Sarah2009also didnt work20:39
Sarah2009sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core this one did an error20:39
Sarah2009cd <WoeUSB source code directory> what is the source code directory?20:40
Sarah2009so confusing20:40
KotCzarnyapt-get install boolstuff ?20:41
KotCzarnyor not, hmm, dont know which package has dnf20:42
Sarah2009is there no other way to install it?20:45
Sarah2009like on windows it is just double click on a setupd file :P20:46
Sarah2009so nobody knows how to install this on my computer?20:49
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KotCzarnydid you do apt-get install and mk-build-deps steps from install instruction?20:54
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Sarah2009tell me what i need to write in20:57
Sarah2009so i can copy paste20:57
Sarah2009i am a real noob sorry20:57
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KotCzarnysee the paragraph after: Install WoeUSB's Build Dependencies20:58
KotCzarnydont know what your os is based on, i guess debian20:58
KotCzarnytry: sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core20:58
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Sarah2009my os is endless os22:06
Sarah2009can you google it?22:06
Sarah2009it says22:06
Sarah2009devscripts cannot be found22:06
Sarah2009equivs cannot be found22:06
Sarah2009gdebi-core cannot be found22:06
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Sarah2009anyone can help?23:07
DocScrutinizer05Sarah2009: maybe #endless   ?23:16
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure how this is related to maemo and Nokia NIT devices23:16
KotCzarnyThe operating system that comes with everything your family needs23:17
KotCzarnyapparently they skipped development23:17
KotCzarnyergo: in eyes of endlessos - family doesnt need development23:18
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KotCzarnythey dont even provide gcc?23:20
DocScrutinizer05they don't even provide a hint which hw platform they are aiming at23:21
KotCzarnythey do23:21
KotCzarnysimilar answer as 'is maemo based on debian'23:22
DocScrutinizer05well maybe in the fineprint but evidently not on their friggin frontpage that maxed out my 400Mb link for 10s to download... rubbish not shown on the page23:22
KotCzarnyinstall noscript extension23:22
KotCzarnytrims most of the trash away23:22
* DocScrutinizer05 googles "noscript for konqueror"23:23
DocScrutinizer05anyway looks like the umpteenth linux flavor made for users who can't decide which apps and wallpaper to install23:24
DocScrutinizer05just meh23:25
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe all that stuff helps teach people there's mor than just 2 OS out there, but in the end you want one of the big penguin five, no?23:26
KotCzarnyoh wow, they even sell hardware with their os preloaded23:26
DocScrutinizer05now THAT is what they make money from23:26
DocScrutinizer05I already wondered23:26
DocScrutinizer05yeah, since every PIC embedded in a leaf of toilet paper has to come with own OS nowadays, if only the wallpaper and name changed23:27
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DocScrutinizer05would be too fishy to sell devices with plain mainstram GNU/linux installed23:28
KotCzarny 1.58GHz Intel Celeron N2807,  2GB DDR3L 1,333MHz23:29
DocScrutinizer05see Purism23:29
Sarah2009so anyone knows how to do it? xD23:30
KotCzarnySarah2009: yeah, install ubuntu23:30
TheKitDocScrutinizer05, what about Purism?23:30
DocScrutinizer05please /join #endless23:30
bencohDocScrutinizer05: you do release they don't just sell hardware? :-)23:30
KotCzarnySarah2009: another way would be running that ubuntu under windows in virtualbox23:31
DocScrutinizer05seems purism needs to roll their own OS23:31
bencohthey sell a phone, as a complete solution23:31
bencohmeaning they need to ensure proper integration is done23:31
DocScrutinizer05if only they had a clue23:32
DocScrutinizer05what they consider integration is just branding in my book23:32
TheKitif you mean laptops, maybe, but pure Debian is pretty useless on phones/mobile devices23:34
DocScrutinizer05*I* know that23:34
bencohhahaha :-)23:34
bencohhonestly, as long as they eventually manage to produce/sell a real, working, modern smartphone with full opensource support, I don't mind the branding :)23:35
DocScrutinizer05just you can get that already, basically they are not much more opensource than arbitrary android devices23:35
DocScrutinizer05and well, nobody could23:36
bencohwhat they're trying to achieve here is really supposed to have full opensource support23:36
DocScrutinizer05you can't have OS on radio stack23:36
bencohah, right, sorry, except for baseband ;)23:37
DocScrutinizer05and iirc they fail to provide OS drivers for their WLAN either, also no crime since it's getting hard these days23:37
bencohtbh they had me worried with the "imx6 or imx8" thing (first because it would add a significant dev/prod delay, second because I've worked with the imx* family and imx6 is getting old, and not exactly power efficient)23:37
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DocScrutinizer05but all this isn't an achievement basically23:37
bencohbut looks like they're doing rather fine thus far23:37
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bencohplatform/dev-wise at least23:38
DocScrutinizer05not so sure about that23:38
bencoh(I haven't looked much further recently, apart from "working on imx8 integration, things look good")23:38
DocScrutinizer05i.MX8 is a monster, you want i,MX8M-mini23:39
bencohI'm a bit jealous, freescale have been trying to push imx8 to us ($job), but the higher-ups have refused even to try it thus far23:39
bencoh(for roughly a year)23:39
bencohhmm, it's a monster for tiny embedded devices, not so much for a modern smartphone with 3000~6000mAh23:40
DocScrutinizer05even then23:40
bencohimx8m, that is23:40
DocScrutinizer05needs heatsink I heard23:40
DocScrutinizer05and fan23:40
bencohimx8x (your "mini") isn't out yet, so ... not an option23:40
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DocScrutinizer05I know23:41
bencoha *fan*? wtf :D23:41
bencohreminds me of omap5 :]23:41
bencoh(was it omap5 that needed a fan for its dev board?)23:41
DocScrutinizer05don't know23:41
KotCzarnysmartphone with a heatsink and a fan. add some blinking leds and neon tubes while you are there23:41
DocScrutinizer05what really freaks me out about purism is their hw switch and how they market that as a huge engineering achievement, comletely ignoring the usability and security(gain) aspects of such simplistic approach23:43
bencohpretty sure they'll end up with throttling it23:43
bencohDocScrutinizer05: pretty sure it's just a marketing thing23:43
bencohthey're trying to sell the device as a secure, privacy-oriented phone23:44
DocScrutinizer05while actually it is just a lightswitch to cure issues with hypersensitivity to light. Off and you got no phone, on and you got all the problems that piled up, in one rush23:44
bencohso to make people acknowledge that, you sell them a kill switch23:44
DocScrutinizer05I call that cheating23:45
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KotCzarnyi call that marketing23:45
bencohbecause then, when it's off, it's really off (or so people think), unlike software (where you have no way of checking it)23:45
KotCzarny(might be same thing)23:45
DocScrutinizer05indeed, purism has excellent marketing23:45
bencohI would call that cheating, if they really had no way of shutting it down :)23:46
bencoh(be it software or hardware)23:46
bencohmeanwhile, they're just overselling it23:46
DocScrutinizer05a reansistor and LED would do a better job already, *really*23:46
DocScrutinizer05instead of a silly hw switch with no feedback23:46
bencohI know, but that wouldn't sell as well23:47
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bencohthey probably still have the gpio-driven transistor I guess (or at least I hope)23:47
DocScrutinizer05anyway folks I have to run, sorry23:47
bencohtake care :-)23:47
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