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| bencoh | mreow~ | 10:44 |
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| bencoh | any idea how I should check screen state (blank vs on) from an application? | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | ~phone-control | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | ~phonecontrol | 10:46 |
| infobot | i guess phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 10:46 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:46 |
| bencoh | Yeah, but ... 1. not sure that's what I'm looking for 2. I wonder if there is some hildon/osso function to do it | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | nothing there | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | nah, it wasnt for you | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | just didnt remember the link | 10:46 |
| bencoh | ? | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Query_lock_state_of_screen_and_keys | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | maybe that? | 10:47 |
| bencoh | I don't think so | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | Will return locked or unlocked depending on lock state | 10:47 |
| bencoh | I want to vibrate even if device is unlocked, as long as screen is blanked | 10:47 |
| bencoh | (after blanking timeout for instance) | 10:47 |
| bencoh | I'd happily check Conversation source, but we don't have it :( | 10:47 |
| bencoh | hmm ... maybe I can check symbols though | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can check some widget source | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | or nokia programming hints | 10:49 |
| bencoh | those pages seem pretty empty to me | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | they usually have to stop updating when screen blanked | 10:49 |
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| bencoh | U osso_hw_set_display_event_cb in rtcom-messaging-ui | 10:49 |
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| KotCzarny | fun, links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide use nokia.com | 10:51 |
| bencoh | yeah :/ | 10:51 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think you should be able to tell the state by looking at something in the associated sysfs node. | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | would be nice to convert them into archive.org links | 10:52 |
| Maxdamantus | Though maybe if you're writing an actual application, it should go through something else. | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: well, he simply wants to know lcd power state | 10:53 |
| KotCzarny | so sys might be the way | 10:53 |
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| KotCzarny | as long it's user readable | 10:53 |
| Maxdamantus | /sys/class/backlight/acx*/brightness | 10:54 |
| bencoh | eww | 10:54 |
| Maxdamantus | the lock switch seems to just set that to 0 | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | why eww? fastest and lightest i guess | 10:55 |
| Maxdamantus | Though I guess theoretically it might be logical for it to set it to 0 anyway (eg, if there's full sunlight, which means the backlight is pointless) | 10:55 |
| Maxdamantus | (though ime, full sunlight means maximum brightness, not minimum) | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | oh, right | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20110622052725/http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf?fdptoken=1308806843_faa0c37acd80f5e2645b6b6625fd02b8 | 10:56 |
| bencoh | oh, neat | 10:56 |
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| KotCzarny | it might still work directly too, without archive.org | 10:57 |
| bencoh | nothing related to what I'm looking for in this doc though | 10:59 |
| bencoh | original link no longer works | 10:59 |
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| bencoh | interesting ... rtcom-messaging-ui (conversation) does not even use libnotify ... | 11:05 |
| bencoh | worse than that, looks like they implemented some builtin notification mechanism | 11:06 |
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| KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20120126154837/http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/55bf1016-809c-411d-8384-83361c073452/Maemo_5_Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines_v1_1_en.pdf/Maemo_5_Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines_v1_1_en.pdf?fdptoken=1327679314_94d31f4121f17468bd5ad741025d64d7 | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | darn, i recall there was some pdf/page that was talking about when to update widget contents | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | just cant seem to find it | 11:09 |
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| bencoh | alright, so ... there is a MCE dbus request for that (#define MCE_DISPLAY_STATUS_GET "get_display_status") | 11:48 |
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| spiiroin | bencoh: get initial state with that "get_display_status" mce method call and then track changes by listening to "display_status_ind" mce signals | 11:54 |
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| spiiroin | bencoh: should be documented in mce-dev. I have no idea where maemo version is located, but for mer docs should apply for these "shared ancestry" parts: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mce-dev/blob/master/include/mce/dbus-names.h#L222 | 11:58 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hm. I imagine optimally you would know to not bother updating just through X11. | 12:05 |
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| Maxdamantus | VisibilityNotify event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x2c00001, state VisibilityFullyObscured | 12:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Wonder if that event appears in response to locking the screen. | 12:13 |
| Maxdamantus | Nope. | 12:14 |
| spiiroin | iirc maemo mce just blanks/unblanks the screen via fbdev ioctls - whether xserver can tap to that, ... I do not recall | 12:14 |
| bencoh | spiiroin: you're right about fbdev ioctls | 12:14 |
| spiiroin | this is one of the parts that was heavily modified in mer - mce syncs blank/unblank with wayland compositor (in lipstick) | 12:14 |
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| bencoh | at least for the opensource version | 12:15 |
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| spiiroin | well, maemo mce is basically mer mce without few years worth of changes | 12:16 |
| bencoh | yeah | 12:16 |
| Maxdamantus | Windows don't even seem to be unmapped when switching to other ones on maemo. | 12:17 |
| Maxdamantus | or notified of any obscuring. | 12:17 |
| bencoh | uh, what? | 12:17 |
| bencoh | ah | 12:18 |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: are you playing with xev? | 12:18 |
| Maxdamantus | so there's no way for a window to know that its contents are completely irrelevant at the moment. | 12:18 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: yes. | 12:18 |
| Maxdamantus | I would imagine it should probably either unmap or denote obscurity of the window when switching to another one. | 12:18 |
| Maxdamantus | and then map/unobscure it when the user goes to the window selection UI. | 12:19 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders what other fancy compositing DEs do. | 12:21 | |
| * Maxdamantus just uses xmonad on his desktops. | 12:21 | |
| bencoh | alright, so I can either rely on MCE and send a dbus message to query display state before sending every notification, or rely on libosso and register callback to receive device change event (osso_hw_set_event_cb) | 12:23 |
| bencoh | (and hope that system_inactivity_ind really reflects display status as mentioned in documentation) | 12:23 |
| Maxdamantus | Yay for use of non-standard APIs where existing protocols already solve problems. | 12:24 |
| bencoh | Maxdamantus: do you actually know of any standard API to do this? | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: X11 | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | bencoh: but as I said, the WM on Maemo doesn't send any useful events. | 12:24 |
| bencoh | huhu, I wondered about that one, but ... I'd rather not kludge a gtk/hildon codebase | 12:25 |
| Maxdamantus | (or unmap the window, which results in Xorg creating the event) | 12:25 |
| spiiroin | that libosso stuff is probably just wraps mce dbus interface (for display status) | 12:25 |
| bencoh | spiiroin: could be. The thing is that the idea of waiting for mce to answer on every chat message doesn't sound too good to me | 12:28 |
| bencoh | so registering / caching state on every update might be better | 12:28 |
| spiiroin | bencoh: the normal way to do this is: install "display_status_ind" signal listener, do one "get_display_status" query -> you have initial state and are notified about changes | 12:29 |
| bencoh | this is bothering me, for instance https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617310 | 12:29 |
| bencoh | spiiroin: I see ... thanks :) | 12:29 |
| spiiroin | bencoh: ... and do that query asynchronously while at it ;-) | 12:30 |
| bencoh | now the question is ... can I store display state somewhere in this pidgin-libnoityf plugin | 12:30 |
| bencoh | spiiroin: with enough motivation I'd probably rewrite that plugin, but .... meh ;) | 12:30 |
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