IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2018-02-21

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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Can the Openmoko GTA02 be powered from the USB port without a battery installed?  I do not remember and do not care enough to try with one of the GTA02 I still have (but stopped using years ago).05:57
DocScrutinizer05no05:57
DocScrutinizer05iirc not05:57
brolin_empeyOK, that is what I thought but, as I said, I do not remember.05:58
DocScrutinizer05well wait. with depleted battery for sure not. Without any battery, jury still out06:00
brolin_empeyMy work is now internetworked via FTTP using a Nokia box to convert from the optical fibre to Ethernet using copper wire.  So now I use a Nokia product other than a USB power supply again. ;-)06:01
DocScrutinizer05no idea if PCF50633 needs to see a battery at VB and/or BATSNS to start up06:04
DocScrutinizer05also no idea if VSYS might get powered by that chip without battery, for sure it can't power the modem running directly from VB06:06
brolin_empeyDoes metropolitan Ethernet, as used in at least part of Russia (Moscow), use Ethernet over optical fibre?  I keep forgetting that Ethernet can use optical fibre in addition to copper wire because I only ever knowingly use Ethernet over copper wire.06:06
DocScrutinizer05no idea06:08
DocScrutinizer05anyway re GTA02 see http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf06:10
DocScrutinizer05p.406:11
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I still have at least four GTA02 collecting dust on my shelf at home, I can quickly try it instead of speculating.  I know, I contradict myself but it seems like it should be quick to try.06:11
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brolin_empeyWhy did the GTA02 use a miniUSB connector instead of a microUSB connector?  So that the USB connector can be through-hole mounted instead of only surface-mounted?  I do not know how the USB connector on the GTA02 is mounted but the microUSB connector on at least the N900 is only surface-mounted.06:16
brolin_empeyOr because microUSB was less popular/common in 2008 than it is now, assuming that it already existed in 2008?06:19
brolin_empeyAnyway, the first GTA02 I tried seems to not power on when connected to a USB power supply but without a battery installed.06:22
brolin_empeyRemember the Bad Old Days when a digital “cellular telephone” prevented the user from using the video console without a SIM installed?  I think Nokia still did that as late as 2005 at least for Series 40.06:28
brolin_empeyApparently I do not have a GTA02 battery at home even though I have at least four GTA02 at home.  I guess my friend has some GTA02 batteries, if he still has the Openmoko GTA02 stuff I gave him years ago.07:15
brolin_empeyWhy did Nokia make both the BL-5J and BL-4J batteries when they have close to the same capacity?07:23
brolin_empeyI still have some Nokia BL-5J and maybe at least one BL-4J batteries but I do not remember if these batteries can be used for the GTA02?07:25
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DocScrutinizer05because microUSB was less popular/common in 200808:52
KotCzarnyit's a pity they've abandoned miniusb08:53
KotCzarnyit feels much sturdier than micro08:53
DocScrutinizer05~batteryfaq08:53
infoboti guess batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers08:53
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pkill9_I too some photos and they show up in the photos app, but i can't find them in file manager or using `ls` in terminal, or when mounted on my pC, even after a restart12:47
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sicelopkill9_: /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ?12:52
siceloor, cat /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs in case somehow yours is set for different paths12:54
pkill9_ah found them, it saved them to my sd card12:55
pkill9_specifically, the boot partition of my SD card, lol12:55
sicelo:P12:56
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jon_y~emmc13:10
infobotemmc is, like, is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc213:10
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mike727Putting the N900 back together, after successfully unblocking the slider-mechanism. Before putting the last 4 phillip screws on, it seems the screen part wants to pring back out. Is this strange?13:30
mike727*spring13:31
mike727ha, that lip goes under the keyboard (I had dissasembled it a few months back)13:41
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mike727I used lots of "CO contact cleaner". There is now white blotches all around the edge of the screen (wonder if this is permanent)13:47
mike727https://imghost.io/images/2018/02/21/21022018077.jpg13:58
mike727could I have damaged the connector/ribbon?13:58
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KotCzarnymore like something got between screen layers14:10
KotCzarnyyou probably overdid the cleaning14:12
KotCzarnyuse it as it is and look for new screen ;)14:13
mike727live & learn :)14:13
KotCzarnyi've never cleaned my n900's screen since 200914:13
KotCzarnyand only changed screen protector once14:14
WizzupI need to change my protector too...14:20
Wizzupit's in a pretty sorry state14:20
Wizzupdid you just order one from ebay?14:21
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KotCzarnynah, i had some generic that i just cut down to approximate shape14:21
Wizzupack14:21
KotCzarnyhard part was keeping screen dustless during the procedure14:22
KotCzarnyeven few tiny specks of dust look bad14:22
KotCzarnywinter is nice because there is less dust in the air overall14:22
sytop tip: do it in the bathroom and run a super hot shower so stream drags all the dust particles to the floor14:22
KotCzarnyor that14:22
KotCzarnybut humidity can have adverse effects on the procedure too14:23
KotCzarnythose glue-less protectors rely on clean contact between surfaces14:24
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syyeah14:27
sypositive pressure works too14:27
syput a brick on a bunch of air dusters and line up with the screen14:28
syexpensive though14:28
syor pay to get it done in a vacuum14:28
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sicelo14:21 < KotCzarny> nah, i had some generic that i just cut down to approximate shape18:41
sicelo^ do you find that protectors for capacitive screns tends to be thicker than the ones for old resistives?18:42
sicelomy daily N900 is badly in need of a protector, but most shops i've been to have thick protectors18:43
Wizzupmy protector is breaking down badly :)18:44
Wizzupthe screen is hard to read at this point ;)18:44
sicelosame here :p18:46
sicelowell i can still read mine, but in the sun i have to find a nice angle18:46
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KotCzarnysicelo: i've used the both i think. didnt notice any difference for n90019:02
KotCzarnyother than quality and longevity19:02
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sicelomm, ok. interesting. i always though the thick oones would perhaps need more pressure to press on, thus reducing accuracy, or stressing the TS19:33
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sicelomy 3G is so bad .. so many typos :(19:37
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DocScrutinizer05what sy said: bathroom, shower. Humidity isn't a big problem I guess, you even use soap water to attach large sticky patches to windows20:24
symy phone's waterproof anyway so *shrug*20:25
syalthough I havent ever been able to apply one properly20:25
synor have i ever scratched a screen20:25
sywell, my nokia came secondhand but it's not a very prized posession, and my actual phone had gorilla 3 glass20:25
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