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| brolin_empey | Are Wikiwide and Oksana the same person? Or are they related? | 09:14 |
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| Juesto | brolin_empey: yes, Wikiwide is Oksana | 09:14 |
| Juesto | Why? | 09:14 |
| brolin_empey | Anyway, Wikiwide is no longer here but I wanted to tell them that they were actually discussing touch panel technology, not display technology. A touch panel is often used without a display, such as for a (capacitive) trackpad. | 09:16 |
| Juesto | brolin_empey: she isnt around right now but she will read your message soon, oksana is connected but away | 09:16 |
| Juesto | ah, yeah interesting | 09:17 |
| Juesto | Touch is often confused with touch | 09:17 |
| Juesto | displays* | 09:17 |
| Juesto | there's touch tablets too | 09:18 |
| brolin_empey | Juesto: ACK. | 09:23 |
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| Wizzup | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100192 | 12:54 |
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| enyc | Wizzup: was about to ask about this new devuan n900 test etc | 13:36 |
| * enyc looks | 13:36 | |
| enyc | oooooooooooooh bugtrackers and all | 13:36 |
| enyc | Wizzup: to what extent is this system funcitonaly-limited by the n900 ram size? Can stuff be built with "thumb2" isa similarly? I would like to suggest using the same "flopswap" (on sd-card, not wearing out internal-memory!) system as is available in cssu... | 13:46 |
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| Wizzup | enyc: yes, thumb can be done | 14:17 |
| Wizzup | enyc: we also use zram | 14:17 |
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| enyc | Wizzup: 'can be done' -> whats' involved to amke this work reliably for most package builds, though? | 14:44 |
| freemangordon | enyc: turning a knod in the autobuilder | 14:45 |
| freemangordon | *knob | 14:46 |
| enyc | freemangordon: the 'power' kernel required/included tweaks/workarounds to make thumb2 work reliably, does the 4.15/whatever kernel have the same workarounds actually enabled? | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | enyc: thumb errata workaround was upstreamed long time ago, so yes. | 14:47 |
| enyc | excellent | 14:47 |
| enyc | (i got the mirpession things like that had sometimes to be 'enabled', not always on-by-default in kconfig .... | 14:48 |
| enyc | because, e.g. sometimes causes some slowdown, or that kind of thing | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2013-March/159347.html | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | well, it has to be enabled in kernel config | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | but iirc it is enabled by default in omap2plus_defconfig | 14:49 |
| freemangordon | and we have it enabled in config we're using to build n900 kernel | 14:49 |
| freemangordon | enyc: https://github.com/maemo-leste/n9xx-linux/blob/pvr-wip/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig#L498 | 14:50 |
| enyc | Linux/arm 4.15.0-rc6 | 14:54 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 14:55 |
| freemangordon | that was the last one 3 weeks ago :) | 14:55 |
| enyc | hrrm... KPTI on armhf nedeed I wonder? | 14:56 |
| enyc | this new image, is armhf in nature, rather than armel ??? | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | yes, armhf, but we'll build armel soon | 14:56 |
| enyc | whys' armel wanted/needed ? | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | again, a knob in jenkins | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | enyc: for ABI compatibility with fremantle binaries | 14:56 |
| enyc | freemangordon: hrrm, which means duplicate libraries and more ram/disk and all that, on an install? | 14:57 |
| enyc | [can you multiarch armhf and armel on same install??] | 14:57 |
| freemangordon | why should we? | 14:57 |
| freemangordon | we'll have separate images | 14:57 |
| enyc | i thought, armhf faster, use cpu features properly, and all that.... whcih for 'new' system makes sense... | 14:58 |
| enyc | the problem is, if you have binary-only fremantle binaries you want bincompat with? | 14:58 |
| enyc | I would think, multiarch (might) be a useful compromise | 14:58 |
| enyc | to get 'best of both worlds' | 14:58 |
| freemangordon | I don;t think it is a good idea on 256 MB RAM device | 14:59 |
| enyc | kk, for reason I meantioned (duplicates in ram and all) | 14:59 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 14:59 |
| enyc | does that mean duplicate C-ilbabry and all? | 15:00 |
| freemangordon | afaik yes | 15:00 |
| freemangordon | thus, we'll provide separate armel image | 15:00 |
| enyc | ... but the armhf image will allow installing the armel multiarch, if desired (e.g. to run some particular application, even if not 'core system' etc...) ?? | 15:01 |
| freemangordon | enyc: right now there are bot armhf and armel binaries in the repos | 15:03 |
| freemangordon | *both | 15:03 |
| enyc | right, so it should be do-able, in theory | 15:03 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 15:03 |
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| enyc | Question is, what ''blockers'' in core-maemo-system are there, that will need armel? | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all the closed blobs basically | 23:08 |
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