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| Oksana | Is N900 affected by Spectre attack? https://spectreattack.com/#faq-fix | 01:31 |
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| * Oksana is making waves about all familiar ARM devices; don't care that much about Intel | 01:32 | |
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| sixwheeledbeast | https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update | 01:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Cortex-A8 is listed | 01:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ah you already seen this | 01:58 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, I guess n900 is safe from at least Variant1 with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch. | 03:11 |
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| freemangordon | sorry, it is Variant2 that I meant | 03:15 |
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| CatButts | let's hope my N900 will be more resilient than a Dell laptop :P | 12:49 |
| CatButts | the peripheral power block on my laptop(usb, ethernet. etc) kicked the bucket | 12:50 |
| CatButts | and to hope I will get many years of service from it | 12:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I find Dells pretty solid. | 13:31 |
| sicelo | what is usual bandwidth usage for multiplayer games (even LAN only). i've never played any, but might want to try one | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | <1Mbit/s | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | depends, from few kbits to tens of kbits | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | or even a few dozen Kbyte/s actually | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | but ping is the most important | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | netcode is surprisingly efficient, to get it in as few packets as possible | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | (also keep in mind that saturating your uplink will actually kill your ping) | 13:49 |
| Hurrian | yeah, to reduce ping | 13:49 |
| sicelo | cool. i'll try it with a friend sometime soon | 13:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would depend heavily on the game. Are you concerned about upload (hosting) or download, total usage? | 13:55 |
| sicelo | just speed :-) | 13:56 |
| sicelo | we'll actually be doing it over 2G/33G | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | work your ping baby, work it | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | 2g is bad expect 100-200ms MINIMUM | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | with 3g you might get to ~20-30ms | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | which is acceptable | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | but heavily depends on network status and additional routes | 13:58 |
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| sicelo | i'll test and inform how it goes | 14:04 |
| sicelo | first have to decide what game we'll use ... maybe battle for wesnoth | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | oh, so turn based? not fps? | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | then its usually miniscule amount of data | 14:06 |
| sicelo | shooter? i don't like shooting games. i can play racing though, e.g. torcs or whatever else is available/good | 14:06 |
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| brolin_empey | I doubt that anyone really cares but to follow up on what I said I should do when I am back at work: Apparently the D-Link DUB-E100 hardware version D1, which seems to be the current version, still uses the same USB vendor and device identifers (2001:1A02) as the hardware version C1, which was current in 2013. Consequently, no change to the asix Linux driver is necessary to support the hardware version D1. | 14:49 |
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| brolin_empey | sicelo: There are driving/racing mods for some FPS games, such as Quake Rally for Quake (original) and Q3Rally for Quake III: (Team) Arena. | 14:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I believe Doom and Quake should be kept separate from the more modern murder simulators. | 15:05 |
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| brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: Are there many crows in a murder simulator? ;-) | 15:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Are there many crows in a murder? | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | at least one, if murder is good. | 15:25 |
| brolin_empey | That was a pun. A group of crows is called a murder, like a school of fish for a group of fish. | 15:27 |
| brolin_empey | “a murder of crows”. | 15:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Being serious tho, shooting "aliens and monsters" is completely different to simulated people. | 15:27 |
| KotCzarny | what about people that are monsters? | 15:28 |
| KotCzarny | btw. if you think of murder of crows, imagine that: http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=33217 | 15:28 |
| brolin_empey | Or persons that are illegal aliens in a political sense? | 15:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | And yes the pun was so subtle I didn't see it until you mentioned. | 15:28 |
| brolin_empey | Or even legal aliens, I suppose. | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | long reading, but read it | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | and imagine the scene | 15:29 |
| brolin_empey | Is a lawyer who is an illegal alien a legal alien? | 15:33 |
| brolin_empey | Or an illegal legal alien? | 15:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | illegal alien with a law degree? | 15:36 |
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| luke-jr | guess I'm not giving up on N900 just yet after all XD | 17:37 |
| KotCzarny | yay! | 17:37 |
| luke-jr | wait, N900 is vulnerable too :< | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | but at least it isn't in pieces on my desk | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | it isnt, according to fmg it's errata prevents it | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | * my original N900 is, but not my backup N900 | 17:47 |
| luke-jr | KotCzarny: what? | 17:47 |
| KotCzarny | you are talking about speculative fun that hit media recently ? | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | Spectre, yes | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | hits everything since 1994 IIRC | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | 02:11 #maemo freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, I guess n900 is safe from at least Variant1 | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch. | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | 02:15 #maemo freemangordon> sorry, it is Variant2 that I meant | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | hah | 17:49 |
| luke-jr | not sure that means it's immune entirely | 17:50 |
| luke-jr | although, N900 is single-core? | 17:50 |
| luke-jr | maybe that gets the other piece of the puzzle | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | luke-jr: IIUC it is not about the matter of cores, but the way those cores work | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | speculative execution, branch prediction, etc | 17:52 |
| luke-jr | freemangordon: IIUC, having multiple cores can be used as part of the exploit | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | but, IIUC, having single core does not prevent it | 17:52 |
| luke-jr | but single core plus what you said *might*? | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | yes | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | however, the info I hit so far is too fuzzy | 17:53 |
| luke-jr | how's Devuan looking? or is there any other reasonably updated OS for N900 these days? | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | luke-jr: by devuan you mean maemo-leste? | 17:55 |
| CatButts | [13:31] <sixwheeledbeast> I find Dells pretty solid. | 18:02 |
| CatButts | looks like mine wasn't | 18:02 |
| CatButts | :P | 18:02 |
| CatButts | or maybe my chingchong powerbrick killed it | 18:02 |
| CatButts | non-Dell | 18:03 |
| CatButts | no DRM chip | 18:03 |
| CatButts | the DRM chip in the charger talks to laptop and allows charging | 18:04 |
| CatButts | the third wire | 18:04 |
| CatButts | I took cable from defunct original charger and soldered a barell connector on the other end to plug charger | 18:06 |
| CatButts | *to plug 3rd party charger | 18:06 |
| bencoh | 17:49 < KotCzarny> with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch. | 18:06 |
| bencoh | yay for ARM erratas :D | 18:06 |
| bencoh | but, err ... running js code in microb is way too slow anyway | 18:07 |
| bencoh | and n900 is mostly a single-user phone | 18:07 |
| bencoh | (and there is no real security between apps) | 18:07 |
| bencoh | so .... who cares? :) | 18:07 |
| CatButts | just get a Palm TX, problem solved | 18:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have several 10+ year old dell laptops with no issues myself. I know of plenty other people who have more modern ones with no issues. | 18:13 |
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| CatButts | Dell Latitude E6400 | 18:57 |
| CatButts | then maybe my wonky powerbrick killed it | 18:58 |
| CatButts | after the main one died, I used multi-voltage brick | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | cheap one buys twice. or ten times | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | i hate those noisy pieces of sh*t | 18:58 |
| CatButts | by noisy, you mean electrical noise | 18:58 |
| CatButts | or coil whine? | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | both | 18:59 |
| CatButts | lol | 18:59 |
| CatButts | would it be no surprise if powerbrick killed laptop's innards? | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's better to buy used originals than those cheap replacements | 19:00 |
| CatButts | it was what was at hand | 19:01 |
| CatButts | and I stuck with it | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | read some pages on dissecting phone/laptop chargers | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | it's really convincing to see how they behave under load and sometimes even in idle | 19:02 |
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