IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2018-01-02

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vahehi #maemo happy new year08:43
vaheCatButts:  how to use screen off?  :D (devuan)08:58
vahecan not seem to turn off the screen (button side ) :D08:59
CatButtsI dunno either09:56
CatButtsI lost enthusiasm when I tried to dd backup devuan partition directly on the phone09:56
CatButtshalf a day for 3 gb09:56
CatButts(device is 4gb wide)09:57
CatButts@ vahe09:57
CatButtsI installed xorg and started it at one point09:57
CatButtsthe mouse input was uncallibrated and upside down09:58
CatButtsthere some config to be done there09:58
CatButtsthen I decided xorg is a bloated piece of doo doo09:59
CatButtsso I formatted and started over09:59
CatButtsI am now at the stage before installing any x-server10:00
vaheI did not understand everything, my English is not the curve allows you to understand a lot10:03
CatButtswhoops10:04
vahewhy are you re-installed the OS ?10:04
CatButtsI feel x-org is too bulky10:04
CatButtsbloated10:04
KotCzarnybecause he is lazy and likes to do more work10:04
KotCzarnyalso, because some people have to learn on their mistakes10:05
CatButtsand that there should be something more lightweight out there10:05
KotCzarnywhich is sometimes progressing things, but most often time waste10:05
* CatButts rolls on his wasted cat butt10:05
CatButtsI left my devuan initiative unfinished10:06
vahefor example, there is a chroot install from apt Manager Debian , it also works fine why should there be a problem with xorg10:06
vaheCatButts: you mean that xorg is too large for that and have a 4GB drive at least?10:07
CatButtsI am pretentious, I guess :P10:08
vaheor CPU can't ?10:08
CatButtsit's only a few hundred mb or space10:09
CatButtsshould fit fine10:09
CatButtsbut I think it could be less that hundreds of mb of space used :P10:09
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vahe3gb10:11
vahe:D10:11
vaheI'm thinking of installing gentoo10:12
vahestill don't know how but I think about it10:12
vahegentoo more easy10:12
vahedevuan it's Debian10:14
vaheor just buy a SD card 4GB )10:14
vaheCatButts: now what process are you ?10:15
CatButtsbefore any X server install10:15
vaheyou have a sdcard 2gb ?10:15
CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt10:16
CatButts4gb10:16
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vaheCatButts: `wpa_passphrase name_ssid passwd`10:19
CatButtsdoes that output to file or just stdout?10:20
CatButtsI think it does the latter10:20
vaheanyway, I do not agree with the settings wpa_supplicant, it's too personal10:20
CatButtsI can't find < and > on my keyboard10:21
vahelol10:21
bencohmaybe there are none10:21
Wizzupit's bluearrow + arrow10:22
Wizzupleft/right10:22
CatButtseven in devuan?10:22
CatButtsoh10:22
CatButtsderp10:22
CatButtswpa_passphrase must be piped to a certain file10:23
CatButtsthen connection manually started10:23
Wizzuppipe is bluearrow+z10:23
vaheand how will the <tab> ?10:23
Wizzupctri+i is tab10:23
vahethanks10:23
Wizzupafk10:23
vaheCatButts: think about the backup is also not necessary10:26
CatButtsit is not10:26
vaheflwm? :) lest go gnome :D10:26
vahelet's*10:27
CatButtsbut if I want to redo from before installing x-server, I think I am going to want that backup10:27
vahethen write in the article is optional10:29
vahe:)10:29
CatButts>At this stage, you may want to10:30
CatButts>may10:30
CatButtsI did10:30
CatButtsbut not in very explicit English10:30
CatButtsit's not an article yet, it's writing on a napkin, vahe :P10:30
vahethings you can write while recommendations on optional :D10:31
CatButtsdd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=./mybackup.img10:32
vaheahaha lol http://cat.butt.care:3434/10:32
vahenice10:32
CatButtsI think it may be worth limiting that to the original image's size10:32
vahethis is a home server?10:33
CatButtsyes10:33
CatButtsit is a fast response image sharing solution10:33
CatButtsif I can remember a filename, I can show the file to the world10:33
CatButtslike for the word butt10:34
CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/table-cat-4-are-you-putting-me-on-a-diet-does-my-butt-look-big.jpg10:35
vahemy identity is many servers at home, only use was local, my ISP sells real very expensive10:35
CatButtsif you can forward ports, you can host10:36
CatButtsdo you use windows?10:36
CatButts>30 kb/s10:37
CatButtshmm, dissapointing upload speed10:37
vahemy ip owns 1000 houses , they hand out ip as a proxy :D10:37
CatButtsthat sucks10:37
vaheit's a long story10:38
vahegood kitty )10:38
CatButtsget in trouble somewhere with ban-by-ip, others suffer for you10:38
vaheno im no use windows 10 years10:38
CatButtsah10:38
vaheim gentoo user :)10:38
vahefuntoo OS10:38
CatButtsI am stubborn winXP user10:39
CatButtsI have a puppy linux handy10:39
CatButtsbut I only use it once a month or two to back up all my partitions10:40
CatButtsand of course, the n90010:40
vahe:)10:40
CatButtsI am under the suspicion that ext2 and ext3 are slow to write large files to10:41
CatButtsI tried above partition backup with dd on an ext3, bad idea10:41
CatButtsI reformatted to ext4 and dd images into it10:42
CatButtsmassive speed improvement10:42
CatButtsthis slowness seems to reflect on the n900 as well10:42
CatButtsI formatted MyDocs to ext210:42
CatButtsand tried to dd into it10:42
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CatButtsmax cpu usage, half a day to write circa 3gb10:43
CatButtsso, is this the case with ext2 and ext3 and my suspicions are correct?10:43
KotCzarnyext3 doubles the writes in worst case10:44
vahehn? you formatted the MyDocs Maemo?10:44
KotCzarnyas it updates the journal10:44
vaheCatButts: that is, you don't have Maemo?10:45
CatButtsMyDocs is the internal 32 gb partition10:45
CatButtsyes?10:45
CatButtsI formated that from fat32 to ext210:45
vaheyes10:46
vaheoh10:46
vaheI thought boot lies like that on Maemo10:46
CatButtsI am starting to regret this decision10:46
CatButtsboot is in 2gb nand10:47
CatButtsor something10:47
vahedid you try to do, reboot?  work ?10:47
CatButtsthe partition is fine, the phone works fine10:47
CatButtsmy regret is with above dd10:48
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vahejust for curious, my funtoo OS is on the xfs10:48
vahemkfs.xfs /dev/mm...10:48
CatButtsunfamiliar10:49
vahefor me better than ext410:49
CatButtsI should go ask in linux-centered place to confirm my suspicion about ext2/ext3 slowness10:51
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CatButtsand why it is so10:53
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Wizzup~.11:12
infobotmethinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.11:12
bencoh:]11:12
KotCzarnyhehe11:12
Wizzuplol11:12
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ShadowJKCatButts, the emmc is very sensitive to the transfer size, if you dd something big, make bs=131702 or even bigger14:34
ShadowJK2^n sizes14:34
ShadowJKI think ext4 delays some writes, the delays make it possible to gather bigger chunks before it gets sent to phsical storage14:35
buZzafaik its usually best in flashmem to do bs=4M14:35
KotCzarnyas long you dont add fsync to dd, linux might buffer it anyway14:36
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citylight2hello, I am seeking help using python-brisa for ssdp14:54
citylight2when I try to install this, I get a gobject error, and I wan to know if it is still maintained/used14:54
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vaheCatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails15:57
vahedistfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/arm/musl/stage3-armv7a_hardfp-musl-vanilla-20171112.tar.bz2 this manual does not work , a lot of what is written a lot of things need to change15:58
vahesorry https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N90015:58
vahethis15:58
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CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/20180101_001.jpg man, I think my N900's camera is bollocks20:55
CatButtshow do photocells even end up this way?20:56
CatButtsdo they have a shelf-life or something?20:56
KotCzarnyradioactivity can kill pixels20:56
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KotCzarnygoogle for 'camera raid through radioactive chamber'20:57
CatButtsso it dies from cosmos rays in time :P20:57
KotCzarnyor was it synchrotron20:57
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CatButtsclearly I took wrong turn left21:00
CatButts*wrong left turn21:00
KotCzarny/me is selling old items on steam21:00
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CatButts[15:57] <vahe> CatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails21:02
CatButtssame21:02
CatButtsI guess I will go nap instead21:03
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ShadowJKWow that is quite out of focos22:05
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