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| * timeless looks for someone who understands systemd :-( | 02:28 | |
| * varu hands timeless a pristine copy of goldie's 1995 album bearing their nick, a pie, a carton of eggs, several rolls of toilet paper, and poettering's home address | 02:35 | |
| timeless | thanks... | 02:40 |
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| * timeless goes off to figure out why a directory that only needed 40GB on one volume needed 50+GB on another | 02:41 | |
| timeless | oh | 02:41 |
| timeless | doh. | 02:41 |
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| vahe | hi #maemo https://bpaste.net/show/35bc10311fbf | 07:53 |
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| sicelo | vahe[m]: what's that? | 09:27 |
| vahe | sicelo: I wanted to know something, but not necessary now) | 09:33 |
| vahe | thanks | 09:33 |
| vahe | can help to install matrix for pidgin? )) | 09:34 |
| vahe | sicelo: https://bpaste.net/show/7d692109c7af ) | 09:35 |
| vahe | or tell me how how to use the matrix https://matrix.org/ | 09:39 |
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| bencoh | vahe: pretty sure you already asked for that .... I even built the purple-matrix plugin back then ... | 10:51 |
| bencoh | http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/ | 10:51 |
| bencoh | no idea whether it should work, nor how | 10:52 |
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| vahe | bencoh: Yes you are right I asked but as if this thought gives me peace :( | 10:55 |
| CatButts | interesting, bencoh | 11:04 |
| CatButts | http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/720p/hdcodecs/ | 11:04 |
| CatButts | do I dare try them without instructions? | 11:04 |
| CatButts | :P | 11:04 |
| bencoh | I think you can | 11:05 |
| vahe | bencoh: sorry ,my friend, i did not understand a bit, what do you suggest? | 11:22 |
| vahe | purple-protocol-telegram_1.2.6-1_armel.deb I see there is a plugin for telegramm | 11:23 |
| vahe | maybe it's possible? | 11:23 |
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| vahe | bencoh: you mean libmatrix:.so? | 12:17 |
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| bencoh | vahe: yes, and it doesn't work | 12:35 |
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| bencoh | (I tested it a few minutes ago) | 12:35 |
| vahe | aha thanks | 12:35 |
| bencoh | json-glib misses json_path_query on maemo | 12:37 |
| bencoh | which leads to undefined reference when trying to load/bind the libhangouts.so plugin | 12:37 |
| bencoh | funny thing is all this stuff stayed open for months in a screen on my server :) | 12:38 |
| vahe | :D | 12:42 |
| vahe | bencoh: can I ask you what repo are you using now? | 12:43 |
| CatButts | hey guise, I'm bored, what fun thing should I do to justify my N900's existence? | 12:43 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/watercolour_failbutts.PNG I tried drawing, but that didn't work out too well | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it was called | 12:44 |
| KotCzarny | n900-fly | 12:44 |
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| CatButts | lol | 12:44 |
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| CatButts | expensive tossing brick :P | 12:45 |
| bencoh | CatButts: some TMO user was pretty skilled with drawing on n900 | 12:45 |
| CatButts | yes, the myPaint thread | 12:46 |
| CatButts | I am just a drawling at the moment | 12:46 |
| CatButts | also, I never got along with myPaint | 12:46 |
| CatButts | so I have this butchered-up Shi-Painter | 12:46 |
| bencoh | hmm, I was referring to the "look what I draw" thread | 12:47 |
| CatButts | yes | 12:47 |
| CatButts | that one | 12:47 |
| CatButts | I am going back in time in it | 12:47 |
| CatButts | oh, that reminds me | 12:47 |
| CatButts | is PenPen opensource? | 12:47 |
| CatButts | it's an infinite canvas vector draw tool meant to replace N900's sketching app | 12:48 |
| CatButts | it's cludgy, but I feel that with a few adjustmentations, it will become competent application | 12:49 |
| CatButts | There's also sheepdraw | 12:51 |
| CatButts | but it has sever offset problems for stylus input | 12:51 |
| CatButts | I wonder if thread uploader still works | 12:52 |
| CatButts | I'd like to necro the sheepdraw thread | 12:52 |
| CatButts | from within the app | 12:52 |
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| CatButts | it will have been a crowning achievement | 12:52 |
| CatButts | *severe | 12:53 |
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| vahe | tell me how to reinstall the OS without father data? | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | father data? | 12:54 |
| vahe | don't want to lose photo video ) | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | you mean 'without losing user data' ? | 12:54 |
| vahe | aha yes | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | i think you flash vanill without emmc | 12:55 |
| vahe | I'm a little broke OS :D | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | but best is to just copy your data onto sdcard | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | or computer (via usb) | 12:55 |
| vahe | yeah, it's just not included the phone | 12:56 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/legwarmercat.PNG yeah, I don't think I am going to be posting in the 'look what I draw' thread anytime soon :P | 12:56 |
| vahe | KotCzarny: where you can now download OS? | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 12:58 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 12:58 |
| vahe | thanks | 12:59 |
| vahe | ~lazyflashing | 12:59 |
| infobot | methinks lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 12:59 |
| vahe | KotCzarny: that is, to install only vanilla? | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | as i've said, backup data to sdcard or computer to be sure | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | (and it's always good to have a backup) | 13:02 |
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| vahe | KotCzarny: and then I told you but if the phone is not included?:) | 13:03 |
| vahe | only RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin yes? | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | try writing your original question in google translate then pasting the result of translation here | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | because i didnt understand it | 13:04 |
| vahe | does not turn on | 13:05 |
| vahe | sorry ) | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's just flat battery? | 13:05 |
| vahe | no, I inadvertently ruined a reset kernel | 13:06 |
| vahe | I accidentally) | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | maybe then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image_.28expert_topic.21.29 ? | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | but that wont work if you had power kernel or cssu | 13:09 |
| vahe | cool idea | 13:09 |
| vahe | now I'll try | 13:15 |
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| vahe | YES! | 13:21 |
| vahe | KotCzarny: https://bpaste.net/show/8b08341744c5 thanks man | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | now make those backups | 13:21 |
| vahe | that's for sure | 13:22 |
| vahe | )] | 13:22 |
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| vahe | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ sacred place for owners of Maemo :D | 15:42 |
| vahe | look at all interesting ) | 15:43 |
| * CatButts rubs his eyes | 15:43 | |
| KotCzarny | no, you think about everything on maemo.org | 15:43 |
| KotCzarny | talk.maemo.org, wiki.maemo.org | 15:43 |
| vahe | rescueOS what is this OS? | 15:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~rescueOS | 15:59 |
| infobot | rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 15:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maybe this is more informative https://github.com/quitesimpleorg/N900_RescueOS/blob/master/documentation.txt | 16:00 |
| vahe | no( | 16:02 |
| vahe | sixwheeledbeast: thanks) rescue solution? anyone have a screenshot of the video ? | 16:03 |
| vahe | I have 2 N900-one want to do a clean LinuxOSis it possible? without chroot, direct connection , that's why they are interested in rescueOS | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but you will have problems with gsm(voice) part | 16:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "clean LinuxOS"? | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | swb: i suspect he wants some generic distro without maemo | 16:09 |
| vahe | sixwheeledbeast: for example debian os | 16:12 |
| vahe | gentoo os | 16:12 |
| vahe | I'm a fan of Maemo, but I have 2 and I want to do with Linux | 16:13 |
| vahe | I'm also a fan of gentoo | 16:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | closed blobs on the device make it difficult to have full functionality | 16:14 |
| vahe | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/n900-new/206.253.166.96/N900/debian/setup.txt | 16:14 |
| vahe | sixwheeledbeast: well, at least some , for example I need only wifi and OS | 16:15 |
| vahe | it is clear that completely impossible, but I need to surprise friends :D so I will limit myself to at least half of the functionality | 16:15 |
| vahe | this link is working as you think? | 16:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's possible look at https://github.com/dderby/debian900 as one example. | 16:16 |
| vahe | Thanks sixwheeledbeast , and thanks to all who helped me) I today goal day test my knowledge and phone | 16:18 |
| vahe | once even almost killed the phone ) | 16:18 |
| vahe | there is a good community , good luck to all ) | 16:19 |
| CatButts | http://maemo.org/packages/view/penpen/ so close, yet so fart | 16:22 |
| CatButts | http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/PenPen_testbutt.png NSFLWIDT | 16:25 |
| CatButts | usable if you don't plan on ever erasing any stroke | 16:25 |
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| bencoh | vahe: you can run devuan with a mainline kernel | 16:34 |
| bencoh | there's a wiki page about it | 16:35 |
| vahe | https://wiki.maemo.org/Devuan_on_N900 | 16:35 |
| vahe | aha thanks bencoh i need read that | 16:36 |
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| vahe | bencoh: console only ? | 16:39 |
| bencoh | I suppose you can use Xorg with omapfb or omapdrm as well | 16:41 |
| bencoh | I think it should work | 16:41 |
| vahe | aha ok | 16:42 |
| vahe | I have a stupid question ) for example | 16:43 |
| vahe | `I first cloned mainline (or rather stable) kernel: ' | 16:43 |
| vahe | this process is done in the phone ? or on my PC | 16:43 |
| vahe | bencoh: * :) | 16:43 |
| bencoh | pc | 16:44 |
| freemangordon | vahe: there is devuan jessie n900 image | 17:40 |
| freemangordon | https://devuan.org/index.html#download | 17:42 |
| CatButts | memory tels me it is CLI only, yes? | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | yes, but repos are enabled so you can easily install lxde or xfce or whatever | 17:44 |
| freemangordon | or leste ;) | 17:44 |
| CatButts | interesting | 17:45 |
| vahe | I was hard for all of this , I don't understand how it all works | 17:45 |
| CatButts | is it usable by chroot switch or do I have to do the... errrrr... what was that thing called | 17:45 |
| freemangordon | vahe: just grab the devuan image and write it to uSD card | 17:45 |
| vahe | I don't understand, where or what to copy | 17:45 |
| CatButts | rescue OS? | 17:45 |
| freemangordon | vahe: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_n900.img.xz | 17:46 |
| vahe | okay, I have a 2GB SD card, free phone for testing | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | hmm, not sure if 2GB will be enough, don;t remember the image size | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | but it might be | 17:47 |
| freemangordon | vahe: you would need to install u-boot on n900 (in maemo) as well | 17:47 |
| vahe | and my operating system of my laptop is funtoo OS (gentoo) | 17:47 |
| vahe | how it can be installed directly in 32GB Nokia? :D | 17:47 |
| vahe | say direct connect | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | vahe: should not matter, any modern OS should be capable of writing image to uSD | 17:48 |
| vahe | ok :) | 17:48 |
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| freemangordon | vahe: you can't install it to 32GB internal flash | 17:48 |
| freemangordon | at least not easlily | 17:49 |
| vahe | ready downloaded | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | it is prepared to boot from uSD | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | ok, boot your n900 in maemo and install u-boot (from Application Manager) | 17:49 |
| freemangordon | in the meanwhile write that image to uSD card | 17:50 |
| vahe | i want try 2GB if not 4GB buy tomorrow | 17:50 |
| vahe | :) | 17:50 |
| vahe | u-boot, done | 17:50 |
| CatButts | what is size requirement for the image? | 17:50 |
| CatButts | I have 2gm | 17:50 |
| CatButts | *2gb | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | can;t remember :) | 17:50 |
| freemangordon | should suffice | 17:50 |
| vahe | 155mb | 17:50 |
| CatButts | can it be mounted as an image file directly? | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | no, it is 155MB compressed | 17:51 |
| CatButts | without writing to SD? | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | yes | 17:51 |
| vahe | 162 | 17:51 |
| vahe | 162mb :) | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | it has partition table, etc, so it can be mounted as loopback device | 17:51 |
| freemangordon | vahe: this is compressed size | 17:51 |
| vahe | no | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | uncompress it to see the real image size | 17:52 |
| vahe | uncompress 162.3mb | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | decompressing xz on n900 isnt fun, so use your pc | 17:52 |
| freemangordon | yes, on the pc | 17:52 |
| * freemangordon is downloading the image | 17:52 | |
| vahe | image done | 17:53 |
| vahe | next? | 17:53 |
| vahe | dd? | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | how bit it is? | 17:53 |
| vahe | 162mb uncompress | 17:53 |
| CatButts | 1.3gb | 17:53 |
| freemangordon | vahe: don't you have GUI on that PC? | 17:53 |
| vahe | yes mate-desktop | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | there is a tool called "disk image writer" under ubuntu | 17:54 |
| CatButts | what precautions should I take with u-boot? | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | can't help with gentoo or whatever it is :) | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | etcher | 17:54 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: ?!? | 17:54 |
| vahe | I can write with dd | 17:54 |
| CatButts | I have cssu-testing and power kernel installed | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's nice because it also verifies writes | 17:54 |
| CatButts | *precautions with installing u-boot | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: not really good idea for uSD writes | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: usual, don;t if you have no clue :) | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: you should talk to tkaiser one day, would be fun :> | 17:55 |
| CatButts | TOO LATE | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: about? | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | about etcher, and i guess embedded in general | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | ~etcher | 17:56 |
| vahe | dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_n900.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=64K ; sync | 17:56 |
| vahe | same | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | don't mind me, it's humorous (he is very vocal expressing his views) | 17:56 |
| freemangordon | should do the job I guess | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | in armbian they have had lots of people with sh*tty sd card and sd writers | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I vaguely remember seeing that nick, but can't really recall in what regard | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | that's why he is stuck on etcher vs dd | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | ah | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | well, I tend to always buy expensive (and presumably quality) cards and expect the others to behave like that :) | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, try kingston class 4 one day, or some fake ;) | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | I doubt I will buy kingston for the next 10 years | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | sammy or sandisk only | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | and even then you should be careful | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | a1/a2 class are interesting nowadays | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | for running os from sd | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | sequential read often suck, but random io isnt bad | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | which is better than the opposite ;) | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | http://31.135.195.151:20280/notes/iozone-benchmarks/sandisk-ultra-16gb-squar-thinkpad-x40-usb2-reader.txt | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | this is benchmark of ~12usd sandisk a1 | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | 16gb | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | see 4k random writes | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, not bad | 18:02 |
| CatButts | hmmm | 18:03 |
| CatButts | can't install uboot | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: why? | 18:03 |
| CatButts | "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" | 18:04 |
| vahe | https://spyurk.am/posts/4d574170edf6013484f0746d04923301 :D my phones | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: install u-boot for kernel-power | 18:05 |
| * freemangordon checks | 18:05 | |
| freemangordon | CatButts: install kernel-power-bootimg first | 18:06 |
| CatButts | did | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | and u-boot still refuses to install? | 18:06 |
| CatButts | yes | 18:07 |
| CatButts | maybe I need reboot | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | try with apt-get -s install u-boot-flasher u-boot-tools and pastebin the result | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | h,, where is Pali | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | ~seen Pali | 18:08 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 57d 18h 36m 36s ago, saying: 'ok'. | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | what?!? | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | time flies.. | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | :( | 18:08 |
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| MaemoButts | meow | 18:10 |
| MaemoButts | https://pastebin.com/vXTQshXZ | 18:12 |
| MaemoButts | resluts | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | I don;t see a problem here | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | are you sure you're on kernel-power? | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | may I have your uname -a output? | 18:13 |
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| MaemoButts | uname -a | 18:14 |
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| CatButts | errrr | 18:15 |
| CatButts | I think that misspasted | 18:15 |
| CatButts | lol | 18:15 |
| CatButts | uname -a\nYada yada yada | 18:16 |
| MaemoButts | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | looks ok | 18:17 |
| CatButts | so why is package yelling at me? | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | could you try to install it again from HAM and pastebin HAM log? | 18:17 |
| CatButts | how do I get hold of HAM log? | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | from HAM menu | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | there is "Log" in there | 18:18 |
| CatButts | got it | 18:18 |
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| CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgWn7zbgxZ4&t=38s hold this while I tinker | 18:20 |
| CatButts | there's not much to it | 18:22 |
| CatButts | apt-worker: u-boot-flasher breaks 3rd party dependencies policy: | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | and...? | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | what next | 18:24 |
| CatButts | doesn't say anything after that line | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | did you have uninstalled stock kernel modules by chance? | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | *uninstall | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | however (re perfect tense) | 18:26 |
| * CatButts scratches head | 18:26 | |
| freemangordon | check in /lib/modules | 18:26 |
| CatButts | what am I looking for? | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | or dpkg -l | grep kernel | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | omap1 | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: do you have kernel-modules installed? | 18:29 |
| MaemoButts | https://pastebin.com/7kN4hsDT | 18:30 |
| MaemoButts | I do | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | MaemoButts: hmm, it is weird that you have kernel-flasher installed, I don;t have it on my device | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | also, I don't have "kernel" package | 18:32 |
| MaemoButts | it is a mistery | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | maybe because I have kernel-cssu installed | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | and iirc it replaces kernel | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | not a mystery, you did bad things to your device and the result is unstable | 18:33 |
| MaemoButts | meow | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | extras-devel and cssu-devel come to mind | 18:33 |
| MaemoButts | I have both enabled | 18:34 |
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| freemangordon | MaemoButts: well, byte the bullet and install with apt-get | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | 'bite' | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | ah, yes :D | 18:35 |
| MaemoButts | I am tempted to go ahead with uboot ins... read my mind | 18:35 |
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| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I guess this is some kind of developer's weirdness, dealing with bytes all the day (and most of the night) :) | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, yeah, english is unnecesarily complicated | 18:37 |
| MaemoButts | uboot flashed | 18:37 |
| MaemoButts | wish me luck on the reboot | 18:38 |
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| KotCzarny | bets on him needing to reflash, anyone? | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: did you set default kernel to KP? | 18:38 |
| CatButts | dunno, will check | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | just in case: | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | ~flashing | 18:39 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | :p | 18:39 |
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| MaemoButts | meow | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | shucks, he lives | 18:41 |
| CatButts | looks like, curiosity didn't kill the cat | 18:41 |
| CatButts | yet... | 18:41 |
| CatButts | hmmmm | 18:41 |
| CatButts | defaults to stock kernel | 18:42 |
| CatButts | I need to fix this | 18:42 |
| CatButts | so I installed 'power kernel' for uboot | 18:42 |
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| vahe | guys, so, I installed u-boot, kernel-power "linux-kernel for power" and "linux kernel user (boot image for U-boot)" | 18:43 |
| CatButts | uname -a | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: yes, it defaults to stock, you need to tell it to use kp by symlinking something in /etc/bootmenu (or similar) as default | 18:44 |
| vahe | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown | 18:44 |
| vahe | CatButts: * | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | vahe: did you reboot after installing? | 18:45 |
| vahe | yes | 18:45 |
| vahe | something wrong? | 18:47 |
| vahe | freemangordon: * :) | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | ok, power the device down, insert uSD card with devuan image, open the keyboard and poer it up | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | when you see u-boot menu, choose u-boot console | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | then type "run sdboot" | 18:48 |
| CatButts | ~uboot | 18:48 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 18:48 |
| CatButts | mmmm, siamese | 18:48 |
| CatButts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 found the fucker | 18:49 |
| CatButts | ln -s /etc/bootmenu.d/20-Maemo5-kernel-power-2.6.28.10-power51.item /etc/default/bootmenu.item | 18:49 |
| vahe | freemangordon: power button and up? together? | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | vahe: no | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | just power it | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: yep, that one | 18:50 |
| vahe | just turn on Maemo | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | yes, but with keyboard open | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | you should see u-boot menu | 18:51 |
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| vahe | strange still turns on Maemo | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | then you don;t have u-boot installed correctly | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | or rather - at all | 18:53 |
| vahe | aha possible | 18:53 |
| CatButts | wtf | 18:55 |
| CatButts | my date reset | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: removed battery? | 18:55 |
| CatButts | don't remember doing so | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | vahe: how it is going? | 18:57 |
| vahe | don't know yet :D | 19:00 |
| vahe | right now, I'll try again | 19:01 |
| vahe | freemangordon: maybe img is not correct , but still should appear a menu right? | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | yes | 19:01 |
| CatButts | fucker is still booting stock | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: you should execute u-boot-update-bootmenu | 19:04 |
| vahe | killed OS :D | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | vahe: hmm? | 19:04 |
| vahe | today for the second time | 19:05 |
| vahe | :D | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | what has happened? | 19:05 |
| vahe | no matter I have already copied to the computer | 19:05 |
| vahe | I removed the kernel and rebooted ) I'm an idiot :D | 19:06 |
| CatButts | what kernel version is this denuvan? | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | 4.10 iirc | 19:07 |
| vahe | thought stores stock :D | 19:07 |
| CatButts | nice | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: for sure it is 4.x, might be 4.8 or 4.9 | 19:07 |
| vahe | hehe | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | vahe: do you see u-boot menu? | 19:08 |
| CatButts | what's missing in terms of hardware support? | 19:08 |
| vahe | I killed the operating system has reinstalled the OS | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: not sure, however, in upstream almost everything works, besides bluetooth, DSP and cameras | 19:08 |
| CatButts | DSP? | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | ~DSP | 19:09 |
| infobot | dsp is, like, (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of putting all the ... | 19:09 |
| CatButts | does that mean sound output? | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | DSP is DSP | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | it means DSP | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: in omap3 DSP is http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/C64x%2B | 19:10 |
| CatButts | no, I mean | 19:10 |
| CatButts | lack of support for it doesn't exclude sound output, yes? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | yes, those are independent | 19:11 |
| CatButts | good | 19:11 |
| CatButts | softFP or hardFP? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | this is about userspace, not the kernel itself | 19:11 |
| CatButts | yes | 19:12 |
| CatButts | the above denuvan | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | hardfp | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | BTW, it is "devuan" ;) | 19:12 |
| CatButts | bueno | 19:12 |
| CatButts | devuvuan | 19:12 |
| CatButts | methinks 2gb will be woefully little for anything | 19:13 |
| CatButts | I need a beefier SD | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: you can use arm-sdk to build your own image | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk | 19:14 |
| CatButts | not that hard into DIY yet | 19:15 |
| CatButts | lol | 19:15 |
| CatButts | I am a windows peasant | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | ah, poor you | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | actually building image with arm-sdk needs time only | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | otherwise it is a matter of 3 shell commands | 19:16 |
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| bencoh | telephony doesnt exactly work, it ... "works" | 19:23 |
| bencoh | (well, the kernel part works at least) | 19:24 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: yes, the question was about the kernel | 19:24 |
| vahe | I'm going to sleep the night will continue tomorrow) | 19:24 |
| vahe | thanks freemangordon | 19:24 |
| vahe | thanks all | 19:25 |
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| CatButts | whoops | 19:25 |
| CatButts | I think I've sorted everything | 19:35 |
| CatButts | so, 2gb card will probably, somewhat maybe perhaps be usable for above devuan distro | 19:36 |
| CatButts | so I just dd partition file into SDcard and pray I dd-ed to the right device | 19:40 |
| CatButts | yes? | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | yes, though it is not a partition file, but disk image | 19:41 |
| CatButts | mkay, I'mma go the lazy way without loopfiles | 19:46 |
| CatButts | what format is the partition in? | 19:46 |
| CatButts | which ext | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | CatButts: toldya, it is not a partition | 19:46 |
| CatButts | oh | 19:47 |
| CatButts | derp | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | it is a disk image containing too partitions | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | *two | 19:47 |
| CatButts | is one swap? | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | no, it is FAT | 19:47 |
| CatButts | and the other? | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | ext3 or ext4 | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | most probably ext4 | 19:48 |
| CatButts | ah, not gonna be accessible by my tool, then :P | 19:48 |
| CatButts | I mean | 19:48 |
| CatButts | accessible by my driver in windows | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 19:48 |
| CatButts | then I can run some decent applications, finally | 19:50 |
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| CatButts | where do I write my hdd image with dd? | 20:32 |
| CatButts | dd if=myimage.img of=********* | 20:34 |
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| CatButts | /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 20:45 |
| CatButts | with a bit of luck | 20:45 |
| CatButts | I didn't set fire to anything :P | 20:45 |
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| freemangordon | CatButts: not /dev/mmcblk1p1, but /dev/mmcblk1, assuming it is the correct device | 20:48 |
| CatButts | hmmmmmm | 20:48 |
| CatButts | oh shit | 20:48 |
| CatButts | so I stop it now? | 20:48 |
| CatButts | right | 20:49 |
| CatButts | starting over | 20:49 |
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| CatButts | does maemo have pv? | 20:57 |
| CatButts | can't check now, sadly | 20:57 |
| CatButts | should have piped dd into pv | 20:58 |
| CatButts | so I can see progress | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | killall -USR1 dd | 20:58 |
| CatButts | no way | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | do it. | 20:59 |
| CatButts | why? | 20:59 |
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| KotCzarny | just do it. | 20:59 |
| sicelo | :-) | 20:59 |
| CatButts | I demand an explanation | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | rtfm. | 21:00 |
| sicelo | it will do what you want | 21:00 |
| varu | prints a progress bar, put it in a while loop with 'sleep 1' and enjoy | 21:00 |
| CatButts | ah, derp | 21:00 |
| * CatButts stops dd | 21:00 | |
| varu | ....why? | 21:00 |
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| sicelo | so i take it the devuan image contains the kernel within itself? | 21:01 |
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| CatButts | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ | 21:05 |
| CatButts | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 21:06 |
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| CatButts | hmmmmm | 21:06 |
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| CatButts | no 'pv', no fun | 21:22 |
| CatButts | [20:59] <KotCzarny> killall -USR1 dd | 21:22 |
| CatButts | didn't work | 21:22 |
| CatButts | or I used it improperly | 21:22 |
| CatButts | ah, I see | 21:25 |
| CatButts | it requires a 2nd terminal | 21:25 |
| varu | yeah, output spits out in the one where dd's running | 21:25 |
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| CatButts | ah, so it does that WITHOUT killing dd | 21:29 |
| varu | http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Miscellaneous-Signals.html | 21:31 |
| CatButts | I see it meow | 21:32 |
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| Wikiwide | hildon-mime-summon is an interesting project. It has source code and Makefile, auto-builder didn't fail it, and yet compiled package contains only documentation, not the binary itself. Could some Makefile knowing person take a look at it? | 21:34 |
| Wikiwide | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hildon-mime-summon/hildon-mime-summon_1.0-1.tar.gz | 21:34 |
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| Wikiwide | It could be something as simple as "failed to put binary into /usr/bin/" or something | 21:35 |
| Wikiwide | Or "didn't put make into list of builddepends". I am too rusty to actually figure out the problem with http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/hildon-mime-summon/hildon-mime-summon_1.0-1.tar.gz | 21:38 |
| Wikiwide | Actually, even source package does contain binary file in weird snx subdirectory, so here I go... | 21:42 |
| Wikiwide | Yay, it works! Works! | 21:44 |
| CatButts | https://imgur.com/jb0Uw7A this is hot | 21:44 |
| Wikiwide | https://i.imgur.com/jb0Uw7A.jpg | 21:45 |
| CatButts | [21:44] <shibiZdn> Figure 2.2 shows variation of tensile strength for solder thickness in a | 21:45 |
| CatButts | [21:44] <shibiZdn> standard butt joint. Interestingly tensile strength of butt joints is greater than | 21:45 |
| CatButts | [21:44] <shibiZdn> that of bulk solder (3.5 kgf mm-2), also shown on the graph for reference | 21:45 |
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| Wikiwide | /me objects to "solder a wire to PCB" on principle. Have seen it torn out way too many times, painful to connect back. Better to have some kind of reusable connection. | 21:48 |
| Wikiwide | Also, don't just chrome paint a metal, it doesn't last. Green rust grows, chrome paint peels off... | 21:48 |
| CatButts | hmmmmm | 21:54 |
| CatButts | my phone appears to have locked up during dd operation | 21:55 |
| Wikiwide | /me doesn't consider dd to be a routine operation | 21:55 |
| Wikiwide | Can you ssh into it? | 21:55 |
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| Wikiwide | Sometimes, GUI freezes, but everything else works. But there are many different kinds of lock-up... | 21:56 |
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| CatButts | can't ssh into it | 22:03 |
| CatButts | becaue it's not connected | 22:03 |
| CatButts | rebooted, lettuce try once more | 22:10 |
| CatButts | hopefully, on 5th try, I will have whole damned thing written to SD | 22:19 |
| CatButts | inb4 I've written to wrong MMC | 22:20 |
| CatButts | lol | 22:20 |
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| CatButts | yeeeeeeeeee | 22:39 |
| CatButts | the fucker finally finished writing to SD | 22:39 |
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| CatButts | got into it | 22:45 |
| CatButts | >devuan login | 22:45 |
| CatButts | is it blank or is it a specific password? | 22:45 |
| CatButts | ~devuan | 22:47 |
| infobot | devuan https://devuan.org literally mirrors debian in realtime ("all the same") except replacing packages with systemd-dependencies, and it introduces its own themes and branding. Also see factoid (~/!)amprolla | 22:47 |
| CatButts | I am a butt lost here | 22:48 |
| Enrico_Menotti | CatButts Hello, I wasn't reading until right now. I just happened to step here. I see >devuan login. Are you trying Devuan on the N900? | 22:55 |
| CatButts | yes | 22:55 |
| CatButts | I fired it up through uboot | 22:55 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Oh did you follow the instructions on the Wiki on maemo.org? If you use uboot, maybe not. | 22:56 |
| CatButts | I followed this chat here and my intuition | 22:56 |
| CatButts | now I am staring dumbly at a login prompt | 22:56 |
| CatButts | what's default usee and pass? | 22:57 |
| CatButts | *user | 22:57 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, that's perfectly fine. If you want, there's a page on the Wiki where some months ago I tried to report my trials with Devuan. | 22:57 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Anyway, try root/toor. | 22:57 |
| CatButts | there we go | 22:58 |
| CatButts | but, being root all the time | 22:58 |
| CatButts | eh | 22:58 |
| CatButts | does it come with an unrooted user account? | 22:58 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I don't think so. | 22:58 |
| CatButts | mkay | 22:59 |
| Enrico_Menotti | You may try to ask on #devuan. | 22:59 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Where did you get the system image? | 22:59 |
| Enrico_Menotti | And the kernel? | 22:59 |
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| CatButts | https://devuan.org/index.html#download | 23:00 |
| CatButts | from here | 23:00 |
| CatButts | the embeded n900 one | 23:00 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, probably the reference person for that is parazyd . | 23:01 |
| CatButts | wrong | 23:01 |
| Enrico_Menotti | ? | 23:01 |
| CatButts | [17:40] <freemangordon> vahe: there is devuan jessie n900 image | 23:01 |
| CatButts | well, my first step is to get apt running | 23:02 |
| CatButts | then install a graphical interface | 23:02 |
| Enrico_Menotti | So? freemangordon, as far as I know, was working on porting some Maemo things to Devuan. It was parazyd who was building system images. | 23:02 |
| * CatButts shrugs | 23:03 | |
| Enrico_Menotti | But it's some time since I've been here. Things may have changed. | 23:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | About apt, I don't remember whether I reported something related on the Wiki page, but I suggest you have a quick look at it. There's a lot of useful info. | 23:04 |
| Enrico_Menotti | About the graphical interface, this actually was taken care of by freemangordon , as far as I remember. | 23:04 |
| Enrico_Menotti | He was porting the Hildon to Devuan, if I'm right. | 23:04 |
| CatButts | whoops | 23:07 |
| CatButts | I first need to connect to Internet | 23:07 |
| CatButts | via wireless | 23:07 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Again, read the Wiki. Lots of info about this, if I'm right. | 23:09 |
| Enrico_Menotti | https://wiki.maemo.org/Devuan_on_N900 | 23:11 |
| CatButts | >apt-get install firmware-ti-connectivity | 23:14 |
| CatButts | ha | 23:14 |
| CatButts | but | 23:14 |
| CatButts | how to download | 23:14 |
| CatButts | without internet1 | 23:14 |
| CatButts | ! | 23:14 |
| CatButts | hey Enrico_Menotti | 23:17 |
| CatButts | how do I Internet? | 23:18 |
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| varu | manually download the package, usb it over & and dpkg -i it in? | 23:18 |
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| CatButts | hmmmmm | 23:19 |
| CatButts | window | 23:19 |
| CatButts | s | 23:19 |
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| CatButts | are you speaking from experience, varu? | 23:19 |
| varu | in terms of manually installing packages on debian-based systems before, yes lol | 23:20 |
| CatButts | does this image have n900 stuff already prepared? | 23:20 |
| varu | with the n900 you have quite a few ways to get the package on there too | 23:20 |
| varu | i haven't tried devuan on the n900 though if that's what you're asking | 23:20 |
| CatButts | ah, bummer | 23:20 |
| varu | n900 shenanigans on my end are put on hold until i get around to properly soldering that usb port back on.. the job i did didn't hold, need better tools or a better approach | 23:21 |
| Wikiwide | How do I tell ls to display not just filename, but full path to file? | 23:22 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | CatButts You can boot to Maemo, right? | 23:33 |
| CatButts | sure | 23:33 |
| CatButts | from uboot to either Maemo or Devuan | 23:33 |
| Enrico_Menotti | So I think the easiest thing is to boot Maemo, download the package, put it in some shared place, boot to Devuan, and installa the package. | 23:35 |
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| CatButts | I have to ask first | 23:36 |
| CatButts | is it already on there or not? | 23:36 |
| CatButts | on the image | 23:36 |
| CatButts | how do I check | 23:36 |
| CatButts | what package to check for? | 23:36 |
| Enrico_Menotti | apt-cache policy firmware-ti-connectivity, maybe? | 23:36 |
| CatButts | installed | 23:37 |
| CatButts | how do I Internet | 23:38 |
| CatButts | *connect to Internet | 23:38 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, so that package is installed, right? | 23:44 |
| CatButts | yes | 23:45 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Now try to look the Wiki page. Many details to check. | 23:45 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Try lsmod first. | 23:47 |
| Enrico_Menotti | This should show the loaded kernel modules. | 23:47 |
| Enrico_Menotti | The required kernel module should be wl1251_spi. | 23:48 |
| CatButts | >can't type pipe symbol | 23:50 |
| CatButts | rip | 23:50 |
| CatButts | I wanted to try less | 23:50 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ha, that's a problem, actually. | 23:50 |
| CatButts | holy shit, I found it | 23:51 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ah, ok. On the Wiki there's also some info about how to setup properly the keyboard for your national layout. | 23:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | So could you check the kernel module? | 23:53 |
| CatButts | tell me a command that outputs lots of text | 23:53 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sorry? | 23:53 |
| CatButts | a few pages | 23:53 |
| CatButts | I have vague feeling less is not working | 23:54 |
| CatButts | oh, I've got nano | 23:54 |
| CatButts | that's good | 23:54 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Did you try lsmod? | 23:54 |
| CatButts | fuck it, I'm gonna pipe lsmod to a text file | 23:54 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok. | 23:55 |
| Enrico_Menotti | But less should be working. You're on Devuan console, right? So it's bash, right? | 23:55 |
| Enrico_Menotti | And more? Is that working? | 23:56 |
| * CatButts bashes head | 23:56 | |
| Enrico_Menotti | ? | 23:58 |
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