IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2017-11-24

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siceloCatButts: that looks good!08:45
CatButtsyes, but to get to that, I'd have to sudo to the application08:46
CatButtswhich causes weird behaviour and sometimes crashes08:46
CatButtsincluding inability to use OS theming08:46
CatButtswhich is desirable, in this case08:47
sicelomine segfaults all the time :)08:47
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sicelokeepassx 2.008:47
CatButtsI have 0.4.708:49
CatButtsI should get 1.x on here08:49
CatButtsit's what I use08:49
CatButts1.34 is latest 1.x08:51
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WikiwideIt's ... Troubling. When one day a battery lasts 1 day 19 hours, and another day it lasts less than a day.09:01
sicelodifferent use pattern?09:02
CatButtsfrom what I read, N900 ain't that hot in regards to battery lifetime09:02
CatButtswhich reflects my experience so far09:02
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sixwheeledbeastit depends what you install on it, many things stop the device hitting sleep state10:04
infoboti guess powertop is available from repos10:04
infobotrumour has it, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop -
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WikiwideIt's also annoying when email doesn't work properly.11:05
WikiwideI don't even get errors. Just, I don't know how to get Modest to display "Sent Items" as not empty.11:08
WikiwideI see new messages in Inbox, and yet, Gmail account says that it was last updated four days ago.11:10
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: CatButts: have one silly braindamaged app that thinks it needs to update e.g. weather forecast data every 10s via internet, and be busted. Maemo does *allow* sucj shit since it thinks devels are smart enough to develop energy-aware apps- Other phone OS are more restrictive, stopping *all* apps that don't have focus, shutting down internet access completely after a few minutes, whatnot else. I just can say that my device12:30
DocScrutinizer05runs 24h with IRC *active* via 2G, and way longer with IRC active via WLAN12:30
DocScrutinizer05that's actually one of the main reasons why I strongly dispise those other phone OSes and love maemo - it just does what you tell it to do, and it does that very very good12:32
DocScrutinizer05try to just *find* a decent "always-online" IRC client for android! good luck!12:33
DocScrutinizer05there might be a very few, actually, but hard to find12:33
sixwheeledbeast:nod: I can get t least 3 days with minimal use and 1 day with normal usage mainly phone calls.12:35
DocScrutinizer05and even harder to code since no coder gives a shit about anything since OS takes care on their behalf, and when that stuff the OS does isn't what you want, you need to do really special idiocy to bash the OS into shape to e.g. allow your IRC client to stay online and responsive even when in background and on a locked screen12:35
DocScrutinizer05on maemo devels are supposed to do the opposite: make sure your app does NOT waste resources like energy and CPU cycles when it doesn't really need (e.g, when your xterm or weather app is in background or screen is locked)12:38
* CatButts desecrates his N900 with Java applications12:41
DocScrutinizer05maemo's permissive approach works great as long as you got competent app devels and a working QA in maemo-extras-testing. Android approach works assuming idiot devels but it sucks donkey balls for savvy users and expert devels12:41
* CatButts desecrates his brain by staring at Java source code12:41
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CatButtsAndroid is ready for new generation of developers!12:42
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DocScrutinizer05though that approach isn'12:43
DocScrutinizer05t all new12:43
DocScrutinizer05windoze had that since ages - "your system gets too slow? get a better huger faster system and 6 months later we provide the next OS version which will make you feel 'at home' again, same lags and RAM shortage you're used to"12:44
DocScrutinizer05likewise "your new phone has monster battery that for the first time gives you more than 24h standby time? Let us fix that problem for you - here's 'location aware sidekick', an app that always lets you know by spoken voice how many meters away from your home or office or car you are"12:48
DocScrutinizer05or just make that "skype" X-P12:48
* CatButts at home on windows XP12:48
DocScrutinizer05sure, must be the smartest idea ever to run a peer2peer app on a battery powered embedded device12:49
DocScrutinizer05"waste your battery not only for staying online and receiving pointless advertisments but also to help other peers doing the same. No user interaction needed at all, cuts through your battery in a few hours, reliably!"12:50
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sixwheeledbeastyou sell it so well :)13:18
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WikiwideExtcalllog is a nice start for replacing / replicating rtcom-call-ui13:29
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Wikiwidelibid3-tools works surprisingly well on Maemo 5 Fremantle, so far. At least, I was able to specify a track number with id3tag, and tracker sees it, and Media Player uses it. Should try this with Cyrillic next, to check Unicode compatibility...13:43
Wikiwidelibid3-tools version  3.8.3-1513:44
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