IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-10-24

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MaxdamantusCatButts: I imagine you would just use a debian root for such things.00:28
MaxdamantusThere's gcc and vim in the maemo repositories, but I doubt anyone's bothered compiling a "C IDE" specifically for maemo.00:29
Maxdamantus(debian or arch or something)00:29
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sixwheeledbeastI suppose it could be possible to install the qt sdk on the device but i doubt it's been done.02:12
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infobotsomebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
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Maxdamantusqt-sdk is in the old Debian armel that runs on 2.6.28, haven't tried installing/running it though.02:15
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CatButts[00:28] <Maxdamantus> CatButts: I imagine you would just use a debian root for such things.07:10
CatButtslike SSH-ing into a device07:10
CatButtssadly, I am windows user all around :P07:10
CatButtsoh goody, apparently there is Qt Creator for Maemo07:23
CatButtsnow I can create bloated fartapps on the go!07:24
KotCzarnyor just learn python/pygtk/pyqt and stop whining07:31
* CatButts rolls over KotCzarny on his cat butt07:31
KotCzarny/me moves higher and away from disturbances07:31
* CatButts farts under KotCzarny's location07:32
KotCzarny/me farts back stronger07:32
CatButtsyou're already high up, fumes will rise07:33
KotCzarnymine just take over whole space07:33
CatButts"you think that's air you're breathing now?"07:34
KotCzarnyyou know that after cooling heavier gases drop down?07:34
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CatButtsI want C07:42
CatButtsand I want it right meow07:42
KotCzarnythen use gcc, what problem is that?07:42
CatButtsthat's the compiler bit solved07:43
CatButtsmeow I need an IDE to spoil me07:44
CatButtswhat's a makefile?07:44
DocScrutinizer05stop that!07:46
CatButtsstop what07:50
Maxdamantus17:10:30 < CatButts> like SSH-ing into a device07:53
MaxdamantusNo, just put a normal debian armel root somewhere on your system and chroot into it for things you can't do on maemo itself.07:53
MaxdamantusEventually people should just be running a normal system like debian/devuan/arch instead of the custom "maemo" one that everyone is currently using.07:55
MaxdamantusWhen that happens, you wouldn't bother asking if something works on maemo, just as you wouldn't ask if something works on i5-4570 using integrated graphics.07:56
Maxdamantusunless it's something that actually involves special hardware support.07:57
Maxdamantuswhich an IDE shouldn't.07:57
DocScrutinizer05that fart talk07:59
CatButtsso I'd have Maemo as main and some debian as backup07:59
CatButtspurrhaps I will07:59
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MaxdamantusLoads, but it has the WM hinting issue, so can't type:
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bencohMaxdamantus: hmm how comes a qt app has wm_hints issues?09:30
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Maxdamantusbencoh: dunno. Is the `InputHint` or whatever it is set by all Qt applications? (not just ones compiled for Maemo)09:43
bencohgood question09:45
MaxdamantusIt's apparently not set on Chromium on my main system (compiled through nix).09:46
* Maxdamantus wonders if he has any Qt programs installed still.09:46
* Maxdamantus hates Qt.09:46
KotCzarnyldd /usr/bin*|grep -i qt ?09:47
MaxdamantusMk, loading bitcoin-qt09:48
Maxdamantus      Client accepts input or input focus: Yes09:49
MaxdamantusSo I guess that one has it.09:49
MaxdamantusHm. Apparently qtcreator on the device has it too.09:51
CatButtsI guess I will have to learn to use makefiles, huh09:51
KotCzarnyor just write a script09:52
Maxdamantusor use an alternative window manager.09:52
Maxdamantusor fix hildon-desktop09:52
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* Maxdamantus looks into using dwm.09:52
KotCzarnyfluxbox ftw09:53
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DocScrutinizer05(([2017-10-21 Sat 12:00:42] <sicelo> someone's having a problem flashing N900 - did you solve this?10:02
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote re above topic about developing: generally not supposed to be done on device, it's slow like hell and pretty inconvenient, mostly due to lack of RAM and partially due to lack of CPU power and IO bandwidth. Use scratchbox or madde instead10:09
infoboti heard madde is‎10:10
infobotrumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, hosted by maemo now. Also at
DocScrutinizer05((generally not supposed)) also because of limited size available in rootfs10:21
DocScrutinizer05none of the generic install procedures for any tools or libs will work natively on maemo10:22
DocScrutinizer05on device10:22
DocScrutinizer05you need a chroot or optify till you're blue in the face10:23
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"10:23
Maxdamantusor just put everything on a partition on eMMC.10:23
* Maxdamantus did that.10:23
KotCzarnyor just pay someone to do the dirty work10:24
* Maxdamantus is building/testing dwm on device atm10:24
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: Off-topic time for me?10:24
DocScrutinizer05note that MyDocs is FAT and thus not exactly ideal for anything development related, since you don't have proper file owner and permissions, nor symlinks10:24
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KotCzarnybrolin_empey: if it's about thinkpads, h3droid or oscp, sure10:25
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: No but I noticed that DuckDuckGo serves a paid advertisement for a penis enlargement product in results of a query for “paul atreides”. 0_o10:25
KotCzarnyhappens, but remember ads are often profiled to search terms10:26
KotCzarnynot only current one, but previous10:27
MaxdamantusIs that the guy in Dune?10:28
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: Do you get this advertisement in the results of the same query?10:28
* KotCzarny starts humming ~~behind blue eyes~~10:28
KotCzarnybrolin_empey: i'm sticking to google10:29
KotCzarnyfor better or worse10:29
* Maxdamantus doesn't seem to see any ads, though he isn't familiar with DuckDuckGo.10:29
* Maxdamantus notices it's fucking around with webfonts.10:29
brolin_empeyApparently “bite” means “dick” or “cock” in the French language.10:30
brolin_empey is apparently a real business, not a domain hack.10:32
MaxdamantusMm, dwm seems easy enough to modify.10:34
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Relevance of Nokia N900 in 2017? ;-)10:34
DocScrutinizer05no, of this topic in #maemo10:34
MaxdamantusChanged it so it uses `ctrl-backspace` to trigger waiting for the command key, instead of using a modifier.10:35
DocScrutinizer05your comment sounds rather rude10:35
MaxdamantusThough need to get Xorg to not still send the input to the last-focused window at the same time.10:35
DocScrutinizer05like "who gives a shit about maemo and if or if not I'm abusing the #maemo cjhannel"10:36
bencohMaxdamantus: dwm is highly hackable and meant to be configured that way10:36
bencohand someone even started developing some kind of tablet UI based on it10:36
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I guess I should privately message KotCzarny instead of beginning off-topic discussions in this channel.  Honestly, though, as we have already discussed multiple times over the years, I stopped using Maemo in 2014 because my user experience was too bad, especially in Canada.  I suspect that part of the reason why Nokia never released the N900 in Canada is because the cellular data connectivity of the N900 in Canada is very slow.10:43
KotCzarnybrolin_empey: do you own allwinner h3 based board?10:43
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* DocScrutinizer05 fails to see the relevance of >>as we have already discussed multiple times over the years, I stopped using Maemo in 2014<< in this context either10:45
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: Not that I know of but I am guessing from the context that h3droid is some form of the Android OS for the allwinner h3-based board?10:45
KotCzarnyif you like playing with arm, buy one (they are cheap, starting from under 10usd)10:46
KotCzarnypreferably get one with 16gb emmc though10:46
KotCzarnyoranges are the best hw wise10:46
KotCzarnythat way you could even help with porting maemo to devuan10:47
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Seriously, if your Maemo 5 user experience is the same as mine, I do not know how you can be satisfied with your Maemo 5 user experience.10:48
DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested in discussing this question10:49
DocScrutinizer05particularly not when it feels like a sidetrack to excuse off-topic discussion10:50
KotCzarnyit could even be used as a sb box (4x1.2ghz > 1x0.5ghz)10:50
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: OK.10:50
KotCzarnyso 8 times faster n900 packages compilation! ;)10:51
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DocScrutinizer05not if the bottlenack is elsewhere10:52
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KotCzarnya bit offtopic, but heck if it's not a legendary:
DocScrutinizer05could you please comment about what *are* the URLs you paste?10:57
KotCzarnyi've added 'offtopic', so you can skip it most likely10:57
DocScrutinizer05you're aware users are strongly encouraged to NOT click and URL bait you throw at them?10:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: you're aware users are strongly encouraged to NOT click any URL bait you throw at them?10:58
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05 prefers URN bait over URL bait. ;-)10:59
DocScrutinizer05folks, honored veteran users approached me about poor S/N ratio in this channel. So I gonna do sth about it11:00
DocScrutinizer05I'm generally not averse to a good percentage of social chatter, but it needs to be within a few formal limits. "farts" and "penis_enlargement" are clearly not within those, neither is URL spamming11:02
siceloDocScrutinizer05: i dont know if that flasher problem was solved. i was asking on behalf of someone else on facebook who subsequentky went MIA. i would still be interested to know what could cause that11:06
DocScrutinizer05poor USB cable, wrong USB port, USB hub11:07
DocScrutinizer05and issues on PC, like modules not blacklisted11:08
siceloits XP11:09
DocScrutinizer05sorry, can't really comment on windows, no first hand experience. Maybe PC_suite installed and interfering?11:09
DocScrutinizer05or whatever else app that messes with USB... no idea11:10
DocScrutinizer05there's prolly a zillion of apps / tools in windows that could cause trouble like this11:10
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DocScrutinizer05sicelo: did you manage to contact Ryan Abel?11:11
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DocScrutinizer05aka generalantilles aka maemo GC11:13
DocScrutinizer05(ex) freenode staff approached me about the chanop situation11:14
DocScrutinizer05so I guess it's about time to solve this issue11:14
sicelowe discussed it and juice was going to handle that. he's on of the secondary group contacts too. will follow-up this evening during meeting11:18
DocScrutinizer05fine :-D  Maybe it helps that warfare and me are in Maemo e.V. board and Maemo e.V. holds maemo assets11:19
DocScrutinizer05actually you *could* even delegate to maemo e.V., but I'd personally prefer council manages this with freenode directly11:20
siceloMaxdamantus: why you don't like Qt11:21
MaxdamantusHacky, but seems like a decent starting point:
DocScrutinizer05it looks strange when maemo e.V. asks for GC for themselves11:21
DocScrutinizer05though technically/legally maemo e.V. would be the entity to do it11:22
Maxdamantussicelo: well, I told nix to build a simple Qt program a few hours ago (mkvtoolnix-gui), and it's still compiling the dependencies.11:22
siceloso you prefer gtk?11:24
MaxdamantusWell, I'm pretty sure you don't need to spend hours compiling Gtk-specific libraries before you can use Gtk, so yes.11:25
bencohwell, as a matter of fact ... you do11:25
bencohlooks like you kinda forgot about it ;)11:25
bencoh(either that or you never tried building gtk from scratch)11:26
sicelocool. people tend to prefer Qt for being more compatible with Windows, etc.11:26
sixwheeledbeastcross platform11:26
MaxdamantusPretty sure I've compiled it from scratch before, pretty sure it doesn't take hours.11:26
freemangordon_yes, it takes11:26
freemangordon_compiling gtk takes about the same time as compiling qt11:27
siceloDocScrutinizer05: is warfare very active on IRC?11:27
DocScrutinizer05but he's our master admin on all maemo infra11:27
siceloceene: i'm looking at the UI for palm on yt11:27
DocScrutinizer05IOW the keeper of *all* keys11:27
DocScrutinizer05he took over that role from me11:28
DocScrutinizer05you'll notice he's chan-owner/founder of all channels that we have complete control over11:29
ceenesicelo: what do you think of it?11:29
ceenePIM applications were easier to use back then11:30
ceeneall information about a contact is visible at a glance11:30
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DocScrutinizer05while GeneralAntilles is not even in ACL of this channel11:31
DocScrutinizer05so GC role needs to get delegated or transfered from GeneralAntilles to somebody more present11:32
siceloyes. agreed11:32
DocScrutinizer05ideally a member of maemo e.V. since that ... just feels natural11:33
DocScrutinizer05at least as long as those members actually are active on IRC11:34
DocScrutinizer05and understand the requirements involved with GC role11:34
KotCzarnynope. criterium should be 'available, reachable and responsive'11:35
ceenesicelo: there's a palmos emulator or something like that for n90011:35
DocScrutinizer05luckily there are one or two that qualify for all those criteria ;-)11:35
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DocScrutinizer05the supposed procedure is: council asks Ryan abel (recent GC) to contact freenode to transfer GC role to maemo e.V. aka warfare + me11:37
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DocScrutinizer05if that doesn't pan out, probably freenode will insist in maemo e.V contacting them directly since maemo e.V. is owner of the maemo name asset11:38
DocScrutinizer05so council needs to delegate that jib to maemo e.V then11:38
DocScrutinizer05if juiceme also is primary GC (or secondary with full permissions) then he can also do all that's needed11:39
DocScrutinizer05no need for Ryan then11:39
DocScrutinizer05anyway our channel ACL is 7.5 years old, and the only one who instantly can do anything about it (x-fade) is MIA since 2 years and rejected to do anything since 5 years11:46
DocScrutinizer05this neeeds to get fixed11:46
DocScrutinizer05even freenode staff emeritus starts wondering what's up11:47
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MaxdamantusHah. Closing the widget windows alters the actual saved state of the desktop layout?12:02
MaxdamantusReplaced hildon-desktop with dwm and closed all the widget windows .. now after rebooting, the widgets are gone.12:03
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CatButtsanyone here have experience running GarnetVM on the N900, regarding stability and performance with heavier apps, like say, Bhajis Loops?12:38
CatButtsI remember trying StyleTap on a Symbian s60v5 phone12:39
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CatButtsnot a very pretty sight12:39
CatButtsand I suppose programming a Maemo application is like programming for linux, but with outdated tools and dependencies12:44
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KotCzarnyCatButts: yes, but you also have to hildonize your apps and optify your packages12:50
CatButtsand by hildonize, you mean using specific APIs?12:51
CatButtssay if I want to go the SDL1 route12:52
KotCzarnywhile stock linux apps should compile and run, there might be display/usability gotchas you would have to look for12:53
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CatButts33USD for an N900 with scratchy screen13:51
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buZzCatButts: nice13:53
buZzCatButts: you buying or selling? :D13:53
buZzaw :P13:53
CatButtsfound local13:54
CatButtsstill wary13:54
buZzi find them for ~50 euros with near mint conditions all the time :)13:54
buZzppl just go 'meh , not android' and sell it cheap :P13:54
CatButtsI think he sells same phone for 17USD without the battery13:55
WizzupbuZz: how many do you have :p13:55
CatButtsthat's kinda silly13:55
buZz3 now :) but one had a cocacola bath :(13:55
KotCzarnymmm bubbles13:56
WizzupbuZz: nurdxperiments? ;)13:56
buZzno, can exploded in my backpack13:57
Wizzupnever drink (coke) and walk13:57
CatButtsdid you sit on pack?13:58
buZzno, the can was just in the bottom after a while with a lot of tech on top of it13:58
CatButtsclose enough13:58
buZzi need some isopropyl so i can at least refurb the screen13:58
CatButtsoh, so scratchy screen can be mended13:59
CatButtsit's plastic, right?13:59
buZzthe -screen- is probably not scratchy14:00
buZzthe touchlayer in front might be14:00
CatButtsI'd assume a touchlayer is put behind something14:01
buZzin front14:01
buZzi think they coated it with something touch-ish14:01
buZzbut its in front14:01
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sunshaviCatButts: Almost six months ago. I was developing an app for palm. I did not have problems with it. Probably I am going to retake it in 4 or six months. I have not had any issues with the GarnetVM. 2 Years ago I was still using an n800. And GarnetVM worked well there also. Even the POSE have been ported lo android. I have tryied it a table also. My app worked nice on all these devices14:13
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CatButtshow's the PalmAPI?14:21
CatButts this looks kinda cozy14:22
CatButts#palm channel is dead, lol14:23
CatButtseven #symbian has more life14:23
sunshaviright. But You could create the palm channell again.14:24
sunshavii have done a couple of apps recently. One that display dynamic ui. I am also porting the same app for n900 but no time right now14:25
sunshaviAnd the second app is a network connection that sync a products database to the palm device14:25
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CatButtsI am interested in music and drawing tools14:28
CatButtswhat's your area, sunshavi14:29
CatButtswanted to get a Palm TX, but found the N900 cheaper14:30
sunshavii do it cos. I was a palm developer in the year 2k.14:31
sunshavii develop an accounting system on C14:31
CatButtsI am more of a DIY hobyist14:32
sunshavibut one of my customers want to sale from a mobile device14:32
sunshavithere is a drawing app on n90014:33
sunshaviI do not remember the name right now.14:33
sunshavinice drawing app I can say. Very similar to one that was present on palm14:34
CatButtsah, one more thing14:36
CatButtsI've had a Nintendo DS before14:36
CatButtsthe resistive screen does actually register pressure14:37
CatButtshow are things on the n900 side?14:37
sunshaviafter palm I moved here. never went on the symbian side (but the microkernel OS seems interesting)14:38
CatButtsdid stay a while on Symbian14:38
sunshavin900 is very nice for my use case14:38
sunshaviI have seen the n8 very nice device more powerful than n90014:38
sunshavitaking about hw14:38
KotCzarnyisnt it an n9 clone?14:39
sunshavibut what n900 gives me no android device could give me14:39
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CatButtson Symbian they have C++14:39
sunshaviKotCzarny: not the os14:39
CatButtssome twisted variant of it14:39
KotCzarnyyeah, but hw is14:39
sunshaviKotCzarny: right14:39
sunshaviyes. I personally do not like C++ but I could do it if needed14:40
CatButtsme neither :p14:40
CatButtshow would you describe working with Palm API?14:41
CatButtsI know that is C14:41
sunshaviIt is very nice.14:41
sunshaviYou would need a couple of old dated pdf14:42
sunshaviYou would need the palm sdk14:42
CatButtsI hoarded some PDFs14:42
sunshaviYou would need prctools14:42
sunshaviyou would need pose14:42
CatButtsI don't think POSE does Palm 514:42
sunshavino. pose emulates any device from palm III on14:43
sunshaviwhy would You need palm 514:43
CatButtspalm 5 has sound APIs, right?14:43
CatButtsand the more beefy ARM CPU14:44
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sunshaviI am not very sure about it14:44
CatButtsoh, there's this for the masochistic
sunshaviyes the cpu right14:44
sunshavilol. I have tried it on n900 once14:44
sunshavibut time is precious14:45
DocScrutinizer05the "touch layer" is the digitizer, which consists of two plastic sheets with transparent electrically conducting resistive coating facing towards each other, and a drop of oil as separator in between14:45
CatButtsah, so if that get's pierced, good bye14:46
sunshavii never tried the arm development on palm. Even I still have a device for it the tapwave Zodiac14:46
CatButtswell, I've ported C to ActionScript 3 by hand14:46
CatButtstook me 6 months on first try14:46
DocScrutinizer05also highly discouraged to touch that thing with any solvents14:46
CatButtsso I more than qualify for time and masochism :P14:47
sunshavinever heard of actionScript14:47
CatButts*time available14:47
DocScrutinizer05though isoprop might work. i'd not dare testing it14:47
sunshaviI am going to check online14:47
CatButtssunshavi, Macromedia/Adobe Flash14:47
CatButtsit's OOP14:48
sunshaviright. You could do also OOP on C there is a book about it14:48
sunshaviI tried to do it. On my daily work14:48
infobotsunshavi meant: I try to do it. On my daily work14:49
CatButtson the flip side, you can write procedurally in AS3 if you use classes as structs:P14:49
DocScrutinizer05CatButts: ((if that get's pierced, good bye)) that's why I said "looks like leaked and bubbles" regarding that 17 bucks device14:50
CatButtsI called him and it's two devices14:51
DocScrutinizer05and I checked, didn't find any hint it's a screen protector that has the bubbles14:51
sunshaviCatButts: I need to go now. Let me know If You need more info. As I have told You this year I have been developing Palm . And I pretend going on with it in a 4 or six months period of time14:51
CatButtsI'll keep in touch14:52
DocScrutinizer05you usually can spot screen protectors from their cutouts arounf camera/ALS/proxy and earpiece aperture14:52
* CatButts rolls on his cat butt14:52
CatButts this is the one I'm going for14:53
CatButtslooks saner14:53
DocScrutinizer05I'm worried about lower right corner of screen14:54
DocScrutinizer05actually whole right corner... but wait14:54
DocScrutinizer05this actually *might* be a screen protector, with a huge piece of rubbush under itright above U|I14:55
DocScrutinizer05or that's a scratch/leak14:56
DocScrutinizer05if I could zoom in to that picture...14:57
DocScrutinizer05impossible to tell14:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway the whole screen looks like: bubbles, a scratch, and leaked silicon oil (the matte stains)15:00
DocScrutinizer05might be a matter of just cleaning it, or even artifacts in the photo. No idea15:03
DocScrutinizer05if the latter then seller didn't care much to make the device look good. If the former then they picked the photo that shows least of it15:04
DocScrutinizer05I never had any severe scars in any of my N900 screens. But I heard of people who carried their N900 in trouser pocket together with nails and a garden rake, and the screen didn't really like that treatment15:06
DocScrutinizer05also sharing pocket with keys is a poor idea15:07
DocScrutinizer05no surprising find once you start to think about it, which is sth users sometimes just don't do15:08
DocScrutinizer05wondering what been there first, careless users or gorilla glass screens, I'd bet on the former15:11
KotCzarnystupidity predates all tech15:11
DocScrutinizer05hehe, to the point15:11
* DocScrutinizer05 can't stop imafining a guy with a fur coat hitting own head with a wooden club15:14
DocScrutinizer05probably been needed to get the idea ro hit others likewise15:16
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pkill9does anyone know how to make this?
bencohwait, where does that come from?16:25
bencohpkill9: I'd say dpkg-buildpackage, as usual16:26
bencoh(in scratchbox)16:26
bencohor just ./ and ./configure && make16:26
pkill9cool thanks16:27
pkill9this is for archlinux arm not debian16:27
bencohit all depends on your env and target actually16:27
pkill9i'm running archlinux arm on the n90016:27
Wizzupthen don't use scratchbox16:27
jonwilpkill9: Do you have the right PowerVR blobs that go with xf86-video-fbdev-sgx?16:42
pkill9are blobs aprt of the kernel?16:44
jonwilno, the blobs are in userspace16:44
jonwiland no I dont know where you get them from16:44
pkill9i'm using this guide
jonwilLooks like the ti-omap3-sgx-bin package has the blobs you need16:45
pkill9i'm fairly new to compiling and stuff so i'm kinda doing it by trial and error lol, but i've used linux for a while and can work my way around stuff16:45
pkill9so what's the userspace blob? is it closed source stuff necessary to work with proprietary hardware?16:46
pkill9here is that package
jonwilIts the same thing as the graphics drivers on a desktop PC basically16:47
jonwilSame purpose anyway16:47
pkill9i thought maybe i could try it without the blob and maybe it would just mean not being able to use 3D accelaration for now16:50
pkill9then try it with the blob if X doesn't start16:50
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bencohpkill9: good luck with building the ti-omap3-sgx-bin package you just linked16:54
bencohit refers to pub.meego.com16:54
pkill9ha yeah16:54
bencohpkill9: you can retrieve maemo sgx binaries from maemo/nokia mirrors16:55
pkill9hmm i may not need it afterall, i used this repo to compile the kernel
pkill9and it mentions fbdev and stuff16:57
pkill9actually idk16:57
pkill9are kernel modules userspace or kernelspace?16:57
pkill9cos the systemd service in that sgx package just seems to modprobe the driver16:58
pkill9well i'll make the xorg driver and see if it works16:59
pkill9but i'm recharging my phone atm16:59
pkill9sorry my attention is all over the place, gonna go have lunch17:01
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bencohpkill9: I dunno if this repo includes sgx patches17:13
bencohyou need an (opensource, never merged - distributed as patches) kernel driver, the xorg fbdev-sgx driver, egl blobs, and the closed pvr2d bridge blobs17:14
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pkill9oh ok bencoh, i guess it's gonna be a mission :D17:44
bencohpkill9: maemo worked with kernel built from this repo at some point afaiu, so it might work, assuming you extracted the blobs from a maemo system17:50
bencohit shouldn't be that difficult17:51
bencohand their are only 2/3 packages to include17:51
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pkill9hmm, i get an error from, and configure, complaining of 'syntax error near unexpected token 'RANDR,', and the line is 'XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RANDR, randrproto)'19:11
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pkill9hmm found this, this probably explains why (need xorg-server-devel package)
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bencohpkill9: do you build on-device or in a cross env?19:37
pkill9on device, but i would much prefer to use a cross env :p19:37
pkill9compiling at downloading ate half my battery after i recharged it lol19:38
pkill9bencoh: is there a decent guide to compiling for ARM on x86_64?19:39
pkill9I'm somewhat new to compiling19:39
pkill9though I compiled the kernel for the N900 on this PC19:40
pkill9but I barely knew what was happening :P19:40
bencoha decent guide, dunno19:41
bencohbut the keyword is crosscomiling19:41
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DocScrutinizer05sgx driver blobs:
pkill9cool thanks :)20:01
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freemangordonpkill9: I don;t think those are compatible with the kernel on Pali's tree20:04
freemangordonyou really should use the blobs comming with the device20:04
pkill9how would i get them from the device to my archlinux arm installation?20:05
freemangordoncopy them?20:05
DocScrutinizer05also useful:
pkill9where would i copy them from?20:06
freemangordonall the *pvr* and *gl* nad *GL* and *IMG* from /usr/lib20:06
freemangordonand symlinks as well20:06
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freemangordonok, boot maemo and check which packages contain *sgx* or *img* in the package name20:07
freemangordon"dpkg -l | grep sgx"20:07
freemangordon"dpkg -l | grep img|20:07
freemangordon"dpkg -l | grep img"20:07
freemangordonthen check the content of those packages with dpkg -L20:07
freemangordonand you'll know the files. nore or less20:07
freemangordonpkill9: is your arch armel or armhf?20:08
pkill9uname -a says armv7l so i assume armel20:10
pkill9(run in maemo)20:10
freemangordonI meant archlinux arch20:10
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pkill9armv7l on archlinux20:15
freemangordonok, might work then20:18
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freemangordonpkill9: you may need to replace one of the blobs20:26
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pkill9ooo you uploaded that a couple days ago?20:36
pkill9i'm setting up a guide to installing archlinux arm, one that's hopefully more complete than the random posts on the maemo forum20:38
pkill9currently it's just notes for myself, but i'll change it into a guide in the future20:38
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