IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2017-08-18

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vajb2mission accomplished "uname -r 4.10.17"08:36
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mvahi there!09:00
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mvaI've just updated CSSU to -thumb0 version, and my N900 is in reboot loop now :-/09:01
mvawell, it, at least, loads to the desktop, and reboots after few seconds09:01
mvais it a way to repair it without reflashing?09:02
vajb2mva, just a thought, but are you sure that your battery is fine?09:03
mvawell, it was okay before upgrade :)09:03
vajb2because, i've heard that in a boot loop, n900 wont get past those 5 white dots09:03
mvavajb2: well, I replaced the battery with another. Just in case. And it still loads to the desktop and reboots. By the way, it reboots *only* after loading to the desktop and doesn't reboot until I set up date and time.09:13
mvaso, it's definitelly not a battery :-/09:13
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siceloyou might be running wrong kernel.09:30
freemangordonsicelo: no way09:33
sicelook09:33
freemangordonmva: using flasher, disable resets, so it wo't reboot when a "guarded" process fails, then check in syslog what happens and fix it09:34
freemangordon*won't09:34
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DocScrutinizer05I can tell you what happens: segfauilts from wrong kernel09:40
DocScrutinizer05what else could it be?09:40
freemangordoncould be09:40
freemangordonsome hildon-status-menu plugin misbehaving09:40
freemangordonor some home widget09:41
DocScrutinizer05hmm, how many are in thumb only?09:41
freemangordonnothing09:41
DocScrutinizer05what I thought09:41
DocScrutinizer05mva: maybe you want to elaborate on details of >>I've just updated CSSU to -thumb0 version<<09:42
freemangordonbut I doubt it will boot to hildon with the wring kernel09:42
freemangordon*wrong09:42
siceloi'm also interested to know. i experienced the exact same issue mva experiences. at that time, my N900 was in near-stock state (mid-June) as I had reflashed. unfortunatley i did not have a chance to test a lot of things, because i desperately needed a working phone09:42
mvaDocScrutinizer05: I don't know what details I can also provide :) I just have N900 with disabled wifi for many time (may be few months). Today I enabled wifi and it found the updates. When I looked on the version of the CSSU package, it was differ from installed version for only "-thumb0" suffix09:50
sicelo0.o09:51
mvaby the way, yes, I was use "power" kernel (from the repos) before the update :-/09:51
DocScrutinizer05ok, that's very starnge then09:57
DocScrutinizer05please proceed as freemangordon suggested09:58
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freemangordonmva: did you happen to update something else besides cssu?10:02
freemangordonlike, u-boot?10:02
freemangordonif you have u-boot installed ofc10:03
DocScrutinizer05if only there were HAM logs ;-)10:04
freemangordon:)10:04
freemangordonhowever, I am going afk, bye10:05
sicelowhat info would we be looking for in HAM logs?10:05
mvafreemangordon: well, there was some packages too, but since n900 rebooted just after installing cssu, I think it doesn't upgraded them...10:08
mvaand, IIRC, there was no u-boot in that list10:09
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mva// by the way, I'm unsure if I had installed u-boot, but I do see some boot menu on the white background, that suggests recovery mode, after few boot-loops10:11
DocScrutinizer05good, was already wondering why it doesn't come up. Though I wonder what's 'reboot' then. Should be a shell that shows up *instead* of reboot when max_restart exceeded for a process monitored by dmsetool10:17
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mvawell, reboot looks like it is "reboot" command somewhere. I mean, it is not just a sudden reboot, but it behaves like when I rebooted device by myself: the led indicator indicates it with the white color, plus sound notification, plus UI freezes on a second right before the reboot...10:23
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DocScrutinizer05hmmm, that's really strange10:23
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mvaaargh10:29
mvamaking 0xFFFF work on a modern system without libusb0 is a hard quest :-/10:30
mvaso sad it is no 0xFFFF in the recovery image :-/10:30
mvaoh10:31
mvait is :D10:31
DocScrutinizer05don't know how a modern system would lack libusb10:35
DocScrutinizer05building 0xFFFF was a matter of less than a minute on my system, incl git clone10:36
mvasome non-debian/non-rh distributions dropped off libusb0 and ships libusb0-compat (wrapper on libusb1) instead10:37
mvaand 0xFFFF from git refuses to work with it (because of the timeout issues)10:38
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/2533799410:38
mvaand somewhy I can't LD_PRELOAD libusb0 I taken from debian :-/10:39
mvabtw, also strange thing: 0xFFFF on the device (in the recovery image) says "Error: not implemented" when I trying to enable R&D mode :-/10:40
DocScrutinizer05I wasted more than one of that 2 minutes with ls -l (alias l)10:40
mvaDocScrutinizer05: there is absolutelly no problem in *building* 0xFFFF for me10:41
mvathere is another problem:10:41
mva> Error: You are trying to use broken libusb-1.0 library (either directly or via wrapper) which has slow listing of usb devices. It cannot be used for flashing or cold-flashing. Please use libusb 0.1.10:41
mvaand I'm trying to feed it with precompiled 0.1 from debian10:41
mvawell, anyway, there is the same 0.7 version on the device10:42
DocScrutinizer05why don't you install libusb0.1 instead?10:42
mvaDocScrutinizer05: there is no libusb0 in the distro :-/10:42
mvathere is only libusb0-wrapper on libusb1 (which 0xFFFF refuses)10:43
DocScrutinizer05that sucks big time10:43
DocScrutinizer05so where from you take the precompiled .so then?10:43
DocScrutinizer05unless you're _not_ using debian10:44
mvawell, as I said, there is the same 0.7 version of 0xFFFF on the device recovery image. and I guess, even if I'll get it to work on the PC, I'll get the same "Error: Not implemented" on trying to activate R&D mode :-/10:44
mvaDocScrutinizer05: here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libusb-0.1-4/download10:44
DocScrutinizer05and you can't install that?10:45
DocScrutinizer05it seems it _is_ there10:45
mvabut, I'd like to understand why do on-device 0xFFFF says "not impemented" for now, instead of hacking on the PC version :-/10:45
DocScrutinizer05on-device 0xFFFF ?10:46
DocScrutinizer05what's that?10:46
DocScrutinizer05you're pretty fuzzy, hard to understand your threads of thought10:47
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DocScrutinizer05I know it's an art to provide sufficient context without too much irrelevant info, but here you clearly provide too little context10:49
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freemangordon_mva: why don;t you just use flasher?10:51
mvawell, I enabled R&D mode, changed flags to `no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset,no-usb-timeout`, and... is seems to stopped rebooting10:51
freemangordon_mhm10:51
DocScrutinizer05and what is "device recovery image", unless that's rescueOS in which case forget about using that for flashing10:51
freemangordon_mva: now, check in syslog what is crashing10:51
DocScrutinizer05for using flasher (or 0xFFFF) on device, you need to start some softupd service10:54
mvauhm... there is no syslog in /var/log, `logread` says "logread: can't find syslogd buffer: No such file or directory", and I don't see any errors/segfaults in `dmesg` :-/11:00
mvawell, manual starting syslogd gives something, but I'm not sure it is related: https://gist.github.com/raw/ea9faf6cc897a5771d9e93ba02d3766d11:04
mvaand I don't know how to make syslogd start at boot time to make it log the real problem when in happens11:05
DocScrutinizer05^^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/2533816411:11
DocScrutinizer05never heard of logread11:14
DocScrutinizer05Jan  1 06:13:46 Nokia-N900 user.crit browser[1721]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - neteal_server_create_fork_async: assertion `server != NULL' failed11:16
DocScrutinizer05for sure is no sign of a healthy system, at least by the frequency it shows up11:17
mvaDocScrutinizer05: shoud I make this script executable or it is okay to just put it there like many others (there is only n900-fmrx-enabler who have +x bit)11:17
DocScrutinizer05should be fine in company with all the others11:18
DocScrutinizer05I wonder why you don't already ahve it, it comes with isntallation of syslog/ksyslog11:19
mvawell, it it busybox's syslog plugin, but not a separate package. I'll install it now.11:24
freemangordon_mva: please, install syslogd from repos and provide *full* boot log11:27
mvayes, I'm doing that now11:29
mvauhm... how the package containing syslogd is called? I can't see anything containing "syslog" in the gui package manager, nor apt-cache search syslog shows something relevant :-/11:33
mva(well, maybe I've out-of-date repos list?..)11:34
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freemangordon_mva: sysklogd11:37
mvaok, thanks11:38
mvauhm...11:38
mva> E: Couldn't find package sysklogd11:38
mva:-/11:38
freemangordon_mva: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/sysklogd/11:40
freemangordon_it is in sdk repo11:41
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mvafreemangordon_: is it any list of "currently actual"/"musthave" repos? :)11:51
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freemangordon_mva: no, enable it only if needed12:04
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freemangordon_Wizzup: parazyd: how's amprola developing?12:06
Wizzupfreemangordon_: it's blocking on politics in devuan12:24
WizzupI've taken a step back and let them figure it out12:24
mvabtw12:29
mvaThe following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:12:29
mva  libqt4-meegographicssystem libqt4-meegographicssystemhelper12:29
mvacan I safely remove them?12:29
mvadespite maemo is definitely not meego, package names looks dangerous to remove :-/12:30
Wizzupfreemangordon_: specifically, they are not in agreement on how to do the ci / trigger builds.12:31
Wizzupfreemangordon_: maybe something changed. parazyd knows.12:31
mvaanyway, here is a syslog, right from reboot: https://gist.github.com/raw/3e4007eef990f2dd8cd96e30de54cf7112:37
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sicelobrowserd12:55
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mvawell, it looks like it has latest version installed, so it is no way to fix it with upgrade13:11
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mvabtw, shouldn't I ever do `apt-get dist-upgrade`? :) I do remember how it bricked my n900 once, and now it wants to: https://gist.github.com/raw/6e01f5d8f64fb7e28bc2f9b09f0e48eb13:16
bencoh*never* do dist-upgrade :)13:26
sicelo:-)13:27
freemangordon_mva: "qtlockscreen respawning too fast..." ?!?13:48
mvawell, I anyway didn't agree on dist-upgrade since that time, but it is a bit important question: how to fix broswerd :-/13:48
mvawell, and qtlockscreen, yes ;)13:49
freemangordon_"Process '/usr/sbin/browserd -d' with pid 1505 exited with return value 1; spawning too fast -> reset"13:49
freemangordon_could you try to start it by hand from terminal, as user "user"13:50
mvaalthough, lockscreen seems to work fine (not sure if it is `qtlockscreen` or another one), but since reset comes from browserd, I guess it's important to fix it first :-/13:51
freemangordon_mva: and what is qtlockscreen doint to replace tklock?13:51
freemangordon_*doing13:51
freemangordon_oh, it seems it does not replaces it, but puts itself on top of it. how cute13:55
mvauhm...13:55
freemangordon_mva: so, what is the result of executing "/usr/sbin/browserd"?13:55
mvabrowserd started from the terminal looks working fine...13:55
freemangordon_weird13:56
freemangordon_hmm, wtf? "Lifeguard refused to start command (/usr/bin/ohm-session-agent) again"13:58
freemangordon_mva: so, you can now browse internet?14:00
mvafreemangordon_: I do. Although, not that I checked it before ;)14:07
mvauhm14:09
mvait is no more "reset"/"exit code" in syslog, but I just found kernel traceback about wifi module :-/14:10
mvawell, I'll try to disable R&D mode now14:11
freemangordon_mva: I have no idea why browserd is behaving, though your device seems to be with heavily modified OS14:11
freemangordon_first reboot it once mor, to see if browserd stays alive after reboot14:11
freemangordon_then disable r@d flags14:12
mvaactually, I didn't modified it more than installed some packages from extras*14:12
freemangordon_ok14:12
freemangordon_extras or extras-devel?14:13
mvaextras and extras-testing mostly14:13
freemangordon_could be some package broke something14:14
freemangordon_mva: also, you may want to clean microb cache to to see if it will make difference14:14
* sicelo curses himself that he didn't use r&d mode while chasing a weird problem with unexpected reboots. - looks like it would have nailed it right away14:16
mvasicelo: not r&d as itself, but no-reboot flags, I guess :)14:16
siceloyes, of course. needs r&d, afaik14:17
siceloor not?14:17
mvayup. it enabled it automatically when I set flags14:18
freemangordon_Wizzup: :(14:23
freemangordon_parazyd is still on holiday?14:23
parazydyeah, until september. maybe a week of september as well, depending on how my dental stuff resolves14:25
parazydbut i'm around, nevertheless14:25
parazydas for devuan, there's disagreement with the ci setup/builds.. you can read about it yourself in a couple of threads on devuan-dev14:26
parazydhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20170815.083657.f9fe40bb.en.html14:26
parazydtoo much drama, and procrastination from certain blocking people14:27
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mvauhm14:43
mvaand should I consider moving from power-kernel to "usual" one? (not wure which package it would be right to mention: `kernel` or `kernel-maemo`) :)14:44
mvas/wure/sure/14:44
infobotmva meant: and should I consider moving from power-kernel to "usual" one? (not sure which package it would be right to mention: `kernel` or `kernel-maemo`) :)14:44
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bencohmva: power-kernel should be fine14:54
Vajbpower-kernel prevents me of installing u-boot15:02
freemangordon_parazyd: do I get it right that we're waiting now for the documentation of build system to be completed?15:03
freemangordon_(ignoring emotions and such in those mails)15:03
parazydno, we're waiting on a decision on what gets deployed for other distros (maemo & others) to be able to build on the CI15:03
freemangordon_who should decide on that and is there a deadline?15:04
parazydcurrently there's an existing software which certain people don't like. they promised to come up with an alternative15:04
freemangordon_ah, ok15:04
parazydwe gave them a deadline two weeks ago15:04
freemangordon_I see15:04
parazydit wasn't done. and this didn't go through anyway. go figure15:04
freemangordon_well, it is still holiday time, I would expect things to spped-up in September, lets see15:05
bencohlet's say I have devuan running (on amd64), what should I do to install the hildon/maemo packages? (is there some wiki page about that?)15:05
parazydi hope so15:06
freemangordon_bencoh: git clone / dpkg-buildpackage / dpkg -i15:06
bencohokay :)15:06
bencohand what if I want to build for arm ?15:07
freemangordon_the same15:07
freemangordon_there is no "scratchbox" for that15:07
bencohuh? they support cross-compilation out of the box with no effort?15:07
bencoh(they == devuan)15:08
freemangordon_they should, but I never tried it15:08
bencohhmm15:08
freemangordon_however, /me gtg15:08
freemangordon_bye15:08
bencohinteresting15:08
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NeKitbencoh, or compile it on device15:08
bencohwell, we'll see I guess15:08
bencohNeKit: noway! :)15:08
NeKitlatest Android phones do a good job on that though15:09
bencohsure but ....15:09
bencohthat's useful when you're on the go15:09
bencohbut it shouldn't be the main option15:09
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bencohbesides I don't have any for now15:10
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Vajbbencoh: go ahead and install devuan on n900. Can confirm that method in wiki works :)15:21
VajbI can*15:21
mvabtw, are there still no maemo (fremantle) repo with a fresh system software? :)15:21
mvalike git, rsync, busybox and so on15:22
mva(and tmux, zsh, ...)15:22
mva// or the only way is to prepare scratchbox and go on?..15:23
bencohmva: are you referring to the packages present in extra or to the sdk itself?15:29
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bencohVajb: won't do that on my main phone. but I have ordered a droid4 ;)15:30
bencohs/have/just/15:31
infobotbencoh meant: Vajb: won't do that on my main phone. but I just ordered a droid4 ;)15:31
NeKitbencoh, nice, one more Droid 4 :)15:32
siceloVajb: which wiki?15:32
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bencohI need to find a usb/serial thing now, looks like you need one to attach to serial port15:34
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mvabencoh: not sure, what would be the correct option to choose ;) I just want to have modern versiona of (git,rsync,busybox,tmux,zsh,vim and so on) on the n900 :)15:36
sicelobencoh: serial port on droid4?15:36
bencohmva: then sb is the way to go, yeah15:36
bencohsicelo: looks like it has something muxed on usb15:36
sicelomva: yes sb, assuming you're able to satisfy dependencies ... getting more and more diffcult15:37
bencohno idea how it works nor if it's really muxed or if there is a ftdi sitting somewhere15:37
Vajbsicelo: devuan on n900 wiki. I have now 4.10.17 kernel up and running with devuan filesystem.15:38
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mvaluke-jr: ping? have you any progress on Gentoo@N900 since the state described on wiki.m.o?17:29
luke-jrno17:31
luke-jrI have abandoned N90017:31
mva:-/17:33
luke-jrI now run Gentoo on my GPD Win17:33
mvaso, they doesn't locked bootloader? :)17:34
mvanice17:34
mva// I just periodically looking on their ubuntu version problems, lol17:34
luke-jrdunno, I downgraded the BIOS17:35
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Wizzupmva: I have gentoo on my n900 with mainline kernel17:52
Wizzupcan't say gentoo is ideally suited for it though17:52
Wizzupfreemangordon: btw I think the devuan situation will resolve itself soonish, at least .. I hope17:53
WizzupI don't plan to block on it anyway17:53
bencohluke-jr: gpdwin looks nice but it has no modem :(18:02
luke-jrbencoh: tethering works ;)18:02
luke-jrbencoh: you could also look at Pyra, but it's much more $ and still not shipping18:02
luke-jrhttps://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart18:02
bencohluke-jr: I gave up on pyra18:03
luke-jrI'm tempted to18:05
luke-jrGPD Win is probably good enough18:06
luke-jrand much more powerful18:06
luke-jrnot to mention can run with free software18:06
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DocScrutinizer05hey folks, can I call normal cli commands from php scripts?20:21
DocScrutinizer05e.g. sleep 1020:21
DocScrutinizer05or logger20:22
KotCzarnysystem("command1; command 2; etc;");20:23
DocScrutinizer05ta20:23
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KotCzarnysome hostings block those though, then you have to use popen() etc20:24
DocScrutinizer05eeew20:24
DocScrutinizer05fsck oho20:24
DocScrutinizer05php even20:24
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, system("logger -t subscribe.php $_POST['foo-mail']"); fails20:49
KotCzarnyyou have to use ${varial20:51
KotCzarnyyou have to use ${variable[]}20:51
KotCzarnywhen inside ""20:51
KotCzarnyor "...".$variable[]."..."20:51
KotCzarnyand mind the fullpaths20:51
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DocScrutinizer05ta, works21:01
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DocScrutinizer05now for some skiddie blocker in that shite21:06
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DocScrutinizer05and prolly best reject gmail addr right away21:20
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DocScrutinizer05I get each root mail triple, for redundancy. And each gmail newsletter abo sends ~7 info mails about "still tryong..." and finally "returned to sender..."21:22
DocScrutinizer05while I guess many abos are just by skiddies21:22
KotCzarnythrow in display resolution nearby21:25
KotCzarnyerm. wrong chan21:25
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