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| vajb2 | mission accomplished "uname -r 4.10.17" | 08:36 |
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| mva | hi there! | 09:00 |
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| mva | I've just updated CSSU to -thumb0 version, and my N900 is in reboot loop now :-/ | 09:01 |
| mva | well, it, at least, loads to the desktop, and reboots after few seconds | 09:01 |
| mva | is it a way to repair it without reflashing? | 09:02 |
| vajb2 | mva, just a thought, but are you sure that your battery is fine? | 09:03 |
| mva | well, it was okay before upgrade :) | 09:03 |
| vajb2 | because, i've heard that in a boot loop, n900 wont get past those 5 white dots | 09:03 |
| mva | vajb2: well, I replaced the battery with another. Just in case. And it still loads to the desktop and reboots. By the way, it reboots *only* after loading to the desktop and doesn't reboot until I set up date and time. | 09:13 |
| mva | so, it's definitelly not a battery :-/ | 09:13 |
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| sicelo | you might be running wrong kernel. | 09:30 |
| freemangordon | sicelo: no way | 09:33 |
| sicelo | ok | 09:33 |
| freemangordon | mva: using flasher, disable resets, so it wo't reboot when a "guarded" process fails, then check in syslog what happens and fix it | 09:34 |
| freemangordon | *won't | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell you what happens: segfauilts from wrong kernel | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else could it be? | 09:40 |
| freemangordon | could be | 09:40 |
| freemangordon | some hildon-status-menu plugin misbehaving | 09:40 |
| freemangordon | or some home widget | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, how many are in thumb only? | 09:41 |
| freemangordon | nothing | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what I thought | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mva: maybe you want to elaborate on details of >>I've just updated CSSU to -thumb0 version<< | 09:42 |
| freemangordon | but I doubt it will boot to hildon with the wring kernel | 09:42 |
| freemangordon | *wrong | 09:42 |
| sicelo | i'm also interested to know. i experienced the exact same issue mva experiences. at that time, my N900 was in near-stock state (mid-June) as I had reflashed. unfortunatley i did not have a chance to test a lot of things, because i desperately needed a working phone | 09:42 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer05: I don't know what details I can also provide :) I just have N900 with disabled wifi for many time (may be few months). Today I enabled wifi and it found the updates. When I looked on the version of the CSSU package, it was differ from installed version for only "-thumb0" suffix | 09:50 |
| sicelo | 0.o | 09:51 |
| mva | by the way, yes, I was use "power" kernel (from the repos) before the update :-/ | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, that's very starnge then | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please proceed as freemangordon suggested | 09:58 |
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| freemangordon | mva: did you happen to update something else besides cssu? | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | like, u-boot? | 10:02 |
| freemangordon | if you have u-boot installed ofc | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only there were HAM logs ;-) | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | :) | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | however, I am going afk, bye | 10:05 |
| sicelo | what info would we be looking for in HAM logs? | 10:05 |
| mva | freemangordon: well, there was some packages too, but since n900 rebooted just after installing cssu, I think it doesn't upgraded them... | 10:08 |
| mva | and, IIRC, there was no u-boot in that list | 10:09 |
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| mva | // by the way, I'm unsure if I had installed u-boot, but I do see some boot menu on the white background, that suggests recovery mode, after few boot-loops | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, was already wondering why it doesn't come up. Though I wonder what's 'reboot' then. Should be a shell that shows up *instead* of reboot when max_restart exceeded for a process monitored by dmsetool | 10:17 |
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| mva | well, reboot looks like it is "reboot" command somewhere. I mean, it is not just a sudden reboot, but it behaves like when I rebooted device by myself: the led indicator indicates it with the white color, plus sound notification, plus UI freezes on a second right before the reboot... | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, that's really strange | 10:23 |
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| mva | aargh | 10:29 |
| mva | making 0xFFFF work on a modern system without libusb0 is a hard quest :-/ | 10:30 |
| mva | so sad it is no 0xFFFF in the recovery image :-/ | 10:30 |
| mva | oh | 10:31 |
| mva | it is :D | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know how a modern system would lack libusb | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | building 0xFFFF was a matter of less than a minute on my system, incl git clone | 10:36 |
| mva | some non-debian/non-rh distributions dropped off libusb0 and ships libusb0-compat (wrapper on libusb1) instead | 10:37 |
| mva | and 0xFFFF from git refuses to work with it (because of the timeout issues) | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25337994 | 10:38 |
| mva | and somewhy I can't LD_PRELOAD libusb0 I taken from debian :-/ | 10:39 |
| mva | btw, also strange thing: 0xFFFF on the device (in the recovery image) says "Error: not implemented" when I trying to enable R&D mode :-/ | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wasted more than one of that 2 minutes with ls -l (alias l) | 10:40 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer05: there is absolutelly no problem in *building* 0xFFFF for me | 10:41 |
| mva | there is another problem: | 10:41 |
| mva | > Error: You are trying to use broken libusb-1.0 library (either directly or via wrapper) which has slow listing of usb devices. It cannot be used for flashing or cold-flashing. Please use libusb 0.1. | 10:41 |
| mva | and I'm trying to feed it with precompiled 0.1 from debian | 10:41 |
| mva | well, anyway, there is the same 0.7 version on the device | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you install libusb0.1 instead? | 10:42 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer05: there is no libusb0 in the distro :-/ | 10:42 |
| mva | there is only libusb0-wrapper on libusb1 (which 0xFFFF refuses) | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that sucks big time | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so where from you take the precompiled .so then? | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you're _not_ using debian | 10:44 |
| mva | well, as I said, there is the same 0.7 version of 0xFFFF on the device recovery image. and I guess, even if I'll get it to work on the PC, I'll get the same "Error: Not implemented" on trying to activate R&D mode :-/ | 10:44 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer05: here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libusb-0.1-4/download | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you can't install that? | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems it _is_ there | 10:45 |
| mva | but, I'd like to understand why do on-device 0xFFFF says "not impemented" for now, instead of hacking on the PC version :-/ | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on-device 0xFFFF ? | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's that? | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're pretty fuzzy, hard to understand your threads of thought | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I know it's an art to provide sufficient context without too much irrelevant info, but here you clearly provide too little context | 10:49 |
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| freemangordon_ | mva: why don;t you just use flasher? | 10:51 |
| mva | well, I enabled R&D mode, changed flags to `no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd,no-lifeguard-reset,no-usb-timeout`, and... is seems to stopped rebooting | 10:51 |
| freemangordon_ | mhm | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what is "device recovery image", unless that's rescueOS in which case forget about using that for flashing | 10:51 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: now, check in syslog what is crashing | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for using flasher (or 0xFFFF) on device, you need to start some softupd service | 10:54 |
| mva | uhm... there is no syslog in /var/log, `logread` says "logread: can't find syslogd buffer: No such file or directory", and I don't see any errors/segfaults in `dmesg` :-/ | 11:00 |
| mva | well, manual starting syslogd gives something, but I'm not sure it is related: https://gist.github.com/raw/ea9faf6cc897a5771d9e93ba02d3766d | 11:04 |
| mva | and I don't know how to make syslogd start at boot time to make it log the real problem when in happens | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/25338164 | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of logread | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jan 1 06:13:46 Nokia-N900 user.crit browser[1721]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - neteal_server_create_fork_async: assertion `server != NULL' failed | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure is no sign of a healthy system, at least by the frequency it shows up | 11:17 |
| mva | DocScrutinizer05: shoud I make this script executable or it is okay to just put it there like many others (there is only n900-fmrx-enabler who have +x bit) | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be fine in company with all the others | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder why you don't already ahve it, it comes with isntallation of syslog/ksyslog | 11:19 |
| mva | well, it it busybox's syslog plugin, but not a separate package. I'll install it now. | 11:24 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: please, install syslogd from repos and provide *full* boot log | 11:27 |
| mva | yes, I'm doing that now | 11:29 |
| mva | uhm... how the package containing syslogd is called? I can't see anything containing "syslog" in the gui package manager, nor apt-cache search syslog shows something relevant :-/ | 11:33 |
| mva | (well, maybe I've out-of-date repos list?..) | 11:34 |
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| freemangordon_ | mva: sysklogd | 11:37 |
| mva | ok, thanks | 11:38 |
| mva | uhm... | 11:38 |
| mva | > E: Couldn't find package sysklogd | 11:38 |
| mva | :-/ | 11:38 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/sysklogd/ | 11:40 |
| freemangordon_ | it is in sdk repo | 11:41 |
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| mva | freemangordon_: is it any list of "currently actual"/"musthave" repos? :) | 11:51 |
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| freemangordon_ | mva: no, enable it only if needed | 12:04 |
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| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: parazyd: how's amprola developing? | 12:06 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon_: it's blocking on politics in devuan | 12:24 |
| Wizzup | I've taken a step back and let them figure it out | 12:24 |
| mva | btw | 12:29 |
| mva | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | 12:29 |
| mva | libqt4-meegographicssystem libqt4-meegographicssystemhelper | 12:29 |
| mva | can I safely remove them? | 12:29 |
| mva | despite maemo is definitely not meego, package names looks dangerous to remove :-/ | 12:30 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon_: specifically, they are not in agreement on how to do the ci / trigger builds. | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon_: maybe something changed. parazyd knows. | 12:31 |
| mva | anyway, here is a syslog, right from reboot: https://gist.github.com/raw/3e4007eef990f2dd8cd96e30de54cf71 | 12:37 |
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| sicelo | browserd | 12:55 |
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| mva | well, it looks like it has latest version installed, so it is no way to fix it with upgrade | 13:11 |
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| mva | btw, shouldn't I ever do `apt-get dist-upgrade`? :) I do remember how it bricked my n900 once, and now it wants to: https://gist.github.com/raw/6e01f5d8f64fb7e28bc2f9b09f0e48eb | 13:16 |
| bencoh | *never* do dist-upgrade :) | 13:26 |
| sicelo | :-) | 13:27 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: "qtlockscreen respawning too fast..." ?!? | 13:48 |
| mva | well, I anyway didn't agree on dist-upgrade since that time, but it is a bit important question: how to fix broswerd :-/ | 13:48 |
| mva | well, and qtlockscreen, yes ;) | 13:49 |
| freemangordon_ | "Process '/usr/sbin/browserd -d' with pid 1505 exited with return value 1; spawning too fast -> reset" | 13:49 |
| freemangordon_ | could you try to start it by hand from terminal, as user "user" | 13:50 |
| mva | although, lockscreen seems to work fine (not sure if it is `qtlockscreen` or another one), but since reset comes from browserd, I guess it's important to fix it first :-/ | 13:51 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: and what is qtlockscreen doint to replace tklock? | 13:51 |
| freemangordon_ | *doing | 13:51 |
| freemangordon_ | oh, it seems it does not replaces it, but puts itself on top of it. how cute | 13:55 |
| mva | uhm... | 13:55 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: so, what is the result of executing "/usr/sbin/browserd"? | 13:55 |
| mva | browserd started from the terminal looks working fine... | 13:55 |
| freemangordon_ | weird | 13:56 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, wtf? "Lifeguard refused to start command (/usr/bin/ohm-session-agent) again" | 13:58 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: so, you can now browse internet? | 14:00 |
| mva | freemangordon_: I do. Although, not that I checked it before ;) | 14:07 |
| mva | uhm | 14:09 |
| mva | it is no more "reset"/"exit code" in syslog, but I just found kernel traceback about wifi module :-/ | 14:10 |
| mva | well, I'll try to disable R&D mode now | 14:11 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: I have no idea why browserd is behaving, though your device seems to be with heavily modified OS | 14:11 |
| freemangordon_ | first reboot it once mor, to see if browserd stays alive after reboot | 14:11 |
| freemangordon_ | then disable r@d flags | 14:12 |
| mva | actually, I didn't modified it more than installed some packages from extras* | 14:12 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 14:12 |
| freemangordon_ | extras or extras-devel? | 14:13 |
| mva | extras and extras-testing mostly | 14:13 |
| freemangordon_ | could be some package broke something | 14:14 |
| freemangordon_ | mva: also, you may want to clean microb cache to to see if it will make difference | 14:14 |
| * sicelo curses himself that he didn't use r&d mode while chasing a weird problem with unexpected reboots. - looks like it would have nailed it right away | 14:16 | |
| mva | sicelo: not r&d as itself, but no-reboot flags, I guess :) | 14:16 |
| sicelo | yes, of course. needs r&d, afaik | 14:17 |
| sicelo | or not? | 14:17 |
| mva | yup. it enabled it automatically when I set flags | 14:18 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: :( | 14:23 |
| freemangordon_ | parazyd is still on holiday? | 14:23 |
| parazyd | yeah, until september. maybe a week of september as well, depending on how my dental stuff resolves | 14:25 |
| parazyd | but i'm around, nevertheless | 14:25 |
| parazyd | as for devuan, there's disagreement with the ci setup/builds.. you can read about it yourself in a couple of threads on devuan-dev | 14:26 |
| parazyd | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20170815.083657.f9fe40bb.en.html | 14:26 |
| parazyd | too much drama, and procrastination from certain blocking people | 14:27 |
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| mva | uhm | 14:43 |
| mva | and should I consider moving from power-kernel to "usual" one? (not wure which package it would be right to mention: `kernel` or `kernel-maemo`) :) | 14:44 |
| mva | s/wure/sure/ | 14:44 |
| infobot | mva meant: and should I consider moving from power-kernel to "usual" one? (not sure which package it would be right to mention: `kernel` or `kernel-maemo`) :) | 14:44 |
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| bencoh | mva: power-kernel should be fine | 14:54 |
| Vajb | power-kernel prevents me of installing u-boot | 15:02 |
| freemangordon_ | parazyd: do I get it right that we're waiting now for the documentation of build system to be completed? | 15:03 |
| freemangordon_ | (ignoring emotions and such in those mails) | 15:03 |
| parazyd | no, we're waiting on a decision on what gets deployed for other distros (maemo & others) to be able to build on the CI | 15:03 |
| freemangordon_ | who should decide on that and is there a deadline? | 15:04 |
| parazyd | currently there's an existing software which certain people don't like. they promised to come up with an alternative | 15:04 |
| freemangordon_ | ah, ok | 15:04 |
| parazyd | we gave them a deadline two weeks ago | 15:04 |
| freemangordon_ | I see | 15:04 |
| parazyd | it wasn't done. and this didn't go through anyway. go figure | 15:04 |
| freemangordon_ | well, it is still holiday time, I would expect things to spped-up in September, lets see | 15:05 |
| bencoh | let's say I have devuan running (on amd64), what should I do to install the hildon/maemo packages? (is there some wiki page about that?) | 15:05 |
| parazyd | i hope so | 15:06 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: git clone / dpkg-buildpackage / dpkg -i | 15:06 |
| bencoh | okay :) | 15:06 |
| bencoh | and what if I want to build for arm ? | 15:07 |
| freemangordon_ | the same | 15:07 |
| freemangordon_ | there is no "scratchbox" for that | 15:07 |
| bencoh | uh? they support cross-compilation out of the box with no effort? | 15:07 |
| bencoh | (they == devuan) | 15:08 |
| freemangordon_ | they should, but I never tried it | 15:08 |
| bencoh | hmm | 15:08 |
| freemangordon_ | however, /me gtg | 15:08 |
| freemangordon_ | bye | 15:08 |
| bencoh | interesting | 15:08 |
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| NeKit | bencoh, or compile it on device | 15:08 |
| bencoh | well, we'll see I guess | 15:08 |
| bencoh | NeKit: noway! :) | 15:08 |
| NeKit | latest Android phones do a good job on that though | 15:09 |
| bencoh | sure but .... | 15:09 |
| bencoh | that's useful when you're on the go | 15:09 |
| bencoh | but it shouldn't be the main option | 15:09 |
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| bencoh | besides I don't have any for now | 15:10 |
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| Vajb | bencoh: go ahead and install devuan on n900. Can confirm that method in wiki works :) | 15:21 |
| Vajb | I can* | 15:21 |
| mva | btw, are there still no maemo (fremantle) repo with a fresh system software? :) | 15:21 |
| mva | like git, rsync, busybox and so on | 15:22 |
| mva | (and tmux, zsh, ...) | 15:22 |
| mva | // or the only way is to prepare scratchbox and go on?.. | 15:23 |
| bencoh | mva: are you referring to the packages present in extra or to the sdk itself? | 15:29 |
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| bencoh | Vajb: won't do that on my main phone. but I have ordered a droid4 ;) | 15:30 |
| bencoh | s/have/just/ | 15:31 |
| infobot | bencoh meant: Vajb: won't do that on my main phone. but I just ordered a droid4 ;) | 15:31 |
| NeKit | bencoh, nice, one more Droid 4 :) | 15:32 |
| sicelo | Vajb: which wiki? | 15:32 |
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| bencoh | I need to find a usb/serial thing now, looks like you need one to attach to serial port | 15:34 |
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| mva | bencoh: not sure, what would be the correct option to choose ;) I just want to have modern versiona of (git,rsync,busybox,tmux,zsh,vim and so on) on the n900 :) | 15:36 |
| sicelo | bencoh: serial port on droid4? | 15:36 |
| bencoh | mva: then sb is the way to go, yeah | 15:36 |
| bencoh | sicelo: looks like it has something muxed on usb | 15:36 |
| sicelo | mva: yes sb, assuming you're able to satisfy dependencies ... getting more and more diffcult | 15:37 |
| bencoh | no idea how it works nor if it's really muxed or if there is a ftdi sitting somewhere | 15:37 |
| Vajb | sicelo: devuan on n900 wiki. I have now 4.10.17 kernel up and running with devuan filesystem. | 15:38 |
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| mva | luke-jr: ping? have you any progress on Gentoo@N900 since the state described on wiki.m.o? | 17:29 |
| luke-jr | no | 17:31 |
| luke-jr | I have abandoned N900 | 17:31 |
| mva | :-/ | 17:33 |
| luke-jr | I now run Gentoo on my GPD Win | 17:33 |
| mva | so, they doesn't locked bootloader? :) | 17:34 |
| mva | nice | 17:34 |
| mva | // I just periodically looking on their ubuntu version problems, lol | 17:34 |
| luke-jr | dunno, I downgraded the BIOS | 17:35 |
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| Wizzup | mva: I have gentoo on my n900 with mainline kernel | 17:52 |
| Wizzup | can't say gentoo is ideally suited for it though | 17:52 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: btw I think the devuan situation will resolve itself soonish, at least .. I hope | 17:53 |
| Wizzup | I don't plan to block on it anyway | 17:53 |
| bencoh | luke-jr: gpdwin looks nice but it has no modem :( | 18:02 |
| luke-jr | bencoh: tethering works ;) | 18:02 |
| luke-jr | bencoh: you could also look at Pyra, but it's much more $ and still not shipping | 18:02 |
| luke-jr | https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart | 18:02 |
| bencoh | luke-jr: I gave up on pyra | 18:03 |
| luke-jr | I'm tempted to | 18:05 |
| luke-jr | GPD Win is probably good enough | 18:06 |
| luke-jr | and much more powerful | 18:06 |
| luke-jr | not to mention can run with free software | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey folks, can I call normal cli commands from php scripts? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. sleep 10 | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or logger | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | system("command1; command 2; etc;"); | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 20:23 |
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| KotCzarny | some hostings block those though, then you have to use popen() etc | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck oho | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | php even | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, system("logger -t subscribe.php $_POST['foo-mail']"); fails | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | you have to use ${varial | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | you have to use ${variable[]} | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | when inside "" | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | or "...".$variable[]."..." | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | and mind the fullpaths | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ta, works | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now for some skiddie blocker in that shite | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly best reject gmail addr right away | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I get each root mail triple, for redundancy. And each gmail newsletter abo sends ~7 info mails about "still tryong..." and finally "returned to sender..." | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I guess many abos are just by skiddies | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | throw in display resolution nearby | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | erm. wrong chan | 21:25 |
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