IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-07-04

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jrgdug my n810 out00:36
jrgneed to reinstall the fw00:37
jrgwonder if I can do this from macOS?00:37
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Enrico_Menottijrg I don't know about n810, but I flashed my n900 from macOS.00:44
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bencohafaiui flasher-3.5 should work for both fremantle and diablo00:50
jrgyah. not sure if n810 is even supported nowadays.00:50
jrghaven't had an N900 in a long time.00:51
jrgjust happened to dig this n810 out of a drawer. figured I'd set it up00:51
jrganything else nowadays that can run on it and that doesn't suck?00:51
bencohapart from maemo4/diablo (and dating cssu for diablo)? I doubt it00:52
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jrgah ok00:53
jrgguess it is what it is with this thing then. doubt the diablo repos have been updated in forever00:53
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bencohthere is a mirror around though iirc, so you should be able to make it work :)00:55
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jrgyah heh00:56
jrgim just saying that the repo pkgs are probably totally obsolete00:56
jrgi guess i can try it out. too bad i can't just run Debian or something on it00:56
bencohmaybe it could, I just have no idea about mainline kernel status on n810 :)01:00
MaxdamantusI'd imagine you could run wheezy on it.01:00
jrgI'll have to look and see. if anything just to wipe it in case i decide to toss it01:01
jrgtoo bad my n900 became so dated. i love my n900.. kept it years past its life before swapping to the apple stuff01:01
jrgi know there was some clone that came out that runs Maemo?01:02
bencohif you're referring to neo900, then it wasn't released yet01:02
jrgyet? lol01:02
jrgaccording to the specs it should have been released 7 years ago :)01:03
jrgthe specs on it are quite dated. so i guess that's just more vaporware?01:03
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: afaik N810 charging is totally software driven02:17
DocScrutinizer05so odds are a plain mainline debian won't fly02:17
DocScrutinizer05jrg: when you're interested in specs then get your samsug S-8 or whatever02:19
DocScrutinizer05but then please don't complain about obsolete or non-free repos02:19
jrgheh. just saying it's too bad the neo900 couldn't be a bit stronger.02:20
DocScrutinizer05Neo900 is meant to run maemo6 on it, that imposes quite some restrictions to "the specs"02:20
DocScrutinizer05maemo5, sorry typo02:20
DocScrutinizer05we need to stick to OMAP3 for example02:21
DocScrutinizer05and that's pretty much what defines the specs, we went as high as it gets with OMAP302:21
DocScrutinizer05if you're in for specs, wait for Neo900's successor, the STEP202:22
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DocScrutinizer05the idea being that after community ported maemo5 to Neo900, they are up to the task to port it to a platform with better specs, like OMAP5 for example02:24
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DocScrutinizer05and a maybe 1280*800 display02:25
DocScrutinizer05*maybe* even other ARM cores02:26
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DocScrutinizer05also there's a fundamental problem with this scale of hardware development, that goes along the line of "why didn't they use carbon fibre enforced concrete when they built the dime of cologne?" Unlike Nokia or Samsung we only may use chipsets that are freely available on the market incl documentation. While Nokia asks TI to build new chips to Nokia's specs and Nokia starts developing a device when the chip is still vaporware02:31
DocScrutinizer05s/ dime / dome /02:32
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: also there's a fundamental problem with this scale of hardware development, that goes along the line of "why didn't they use carbon fibre enforced concrete when they built the dome of cologne?" Unlike Nokia or Samsung we only may use chipsets that are fre...02:32
DocScrutinizer05then Nokia builds a few dozen millions of devices with that CPU chip and sells them for a few months, and only then TI *publishes* some more detailled specs about that CPU chip so projects like we could start *evaluating* *if* the chip would make sense to use for a device development02:35
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jrgall the bits of Maemo weren't open sourced?02:51
jrgwhat did they keep?02:52
L29Ahwow neo900 is 4 years already03:17
L29Ahi wonder if i can see a detailed timeline of the development03:17
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halftuxsicelo: irssi from repos is working now as it should. Perl is working and ssl too. Conected with "/connect -ssl_verify -ssl_capath /etc/certs/common-ca/ 6697 well done going to vote now :)10:56
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sicelothat's very much for the handholding!11:13
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halftuxno problem ... hope to see more updated packages ;)11:24
Vajbthx sicelo and halftux, gonna install it soon11:30
Vajbbtw is anyone running maemo on rasberry pi yet?11:31
Vajbasking coz my friend has it11:31
Vajbi mean pi11:31
KotCzarnyvajb: no, but procedure is the same as for mainline linux11:31
KotCzarnyie. whatever fmg does with his allwinner tablet11:31
KotCzarnyit's just linux11:31
Vajbok thx KotCzarny11:32
KotCzarnywe are limited on n900 by old kernel/libs11:32
KotCzarnyrpi should be newer enough11:32
KotCzarnyalso, it's not 'running maemo', but porting h-d and friends11:34
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siceloby the way, where does one edit their profiles (not tmo). i remember it appears as a 'band' on one of the pages, but can't see it now11:41
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KotCzarny this?11:47
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KotCzarnygarage and m.o accounts are connected i think11:47
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sicelonot that :)11:51
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KotCzarnythe only other page i know is user profile on t.m.o11:56
KotCzarnydon't remember seeing any other profile page11:56
KotCzarnywell, w.m.o is the other one but that is separate from m.o11:59
KotCzarnythis one maybe?12:01
KotCzarnybut i think it's using same data as the garage one12:01
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siceloyes thanks KotCzarny. that last one :)12:52
KotCzarnygoogle power!12:52
siceloit's not same as garage12:52
sixwheeledbeast^They are all separate sites tied together with midgard. hence multiple a/c pages12:56
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Vajbback with the new version. Perl seems to work since errors are gone.13:18
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: xes: 40414:02
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sicelosgx hangups on my N900 - i forgot now what needs to be done14:47
siceloit reoccurs randomly14:48
siceloi'll look at it later .. but i remember that there are some few things to  do14:48
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* DocScrutinizer05 seems to recall there was an election pending. Any news on that?15:02
DocScrutinizer05oh, it's already in my email. I think with that hush noise you make about elections (nothing at all in IRC about it) there will be very poor electorate contribution15:09
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: who of council manages the elections? I hope you know, and got credentials for,
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: I'm wondering since I seem to recall I read that >>for election you need some knowhow about database management<< OWTTE. You don't, the frontend makes it a matter of clicking a button to count the votes and publish the results15:13
bencohis that council election?15:18
DocScrutinizer05and ERR *COUGHCOUGH*15:20
DocScrutinizer05A full list of candidates and their reasons for running can be found at:15:20
DocScrutinizer05if you got no token yet, just proceed to and click "Get Token"15:21
DocScrutinizer05the non-existing wiki page with the woefully missing "full list of candidates and their reasons for running" is pathetic though15:23
DocScrutinizer05at least there's
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KotCzarnyadd ~flashing to topic15:44
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juicemeDocScrutinizer05, I created the election15:45
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: hi! :-)15:45
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DocScrutinizer05everything fine?15:45
juicemeabout the db, well yes there are some thing you need to do manually, still...15:46
DocScrutinizer05no, not back when I managed a few elections15:46
DocScrutinizer05except for adding members that fell through the electorate list generation filter15:46
juicemefor example the updating from midgard to elections database needs to be done manually (well it's a script but anyways)15:47
DocScrutinizer05and for that there's also a frontend in admin15:47
juicemeyes, that's the reason, update/remove people15:47
DocScrutinizer05no, that script gets triggered from admin frontend15:47
DocScrutinizer05adding/removing members also has a frontend15:47
DocScrutinizer05though a clumsy one15:47
juicemesince there are few who have removed their accounts and don't want to be part of maemo any longer, but their accounts still pop up to db from time to time15:48
juicemeit's a bug in the accounts management15:48
juicemealso, to check if there are people who's e karma is not correct, to tweak that15:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's a pita mainly because of /usr/local/bin/garage_sync.sh15:49
juicemebut you are correct, it's *mostly* doable from the webfront15:49
juicemeyes, the garagesync is amazingly slow15:49
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't even delete accounts, for reasons of "failsafe"15:50
DocScrutinizer05workaround: change email addr to nobody@localhost or sth15:50
juicememmh yes, that could work ok.15:51
juicemeand regarding the 'get token email' to fox if not got it... well that works if your karma is correct, else it doesn't :)15:52
DocScrutinizer05in tough cases (when users insist on their data getting deleted) ask warfare15:52
juicemeit only sends you mail if it already did15:52
siceloby the way, the system sent me two voting tokens15:53
DocScrutinizer05and karma calculation is prolly still broken and stall at what it been 4 years ago15:53
juicemesicelo huh??15:54
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: that's ODD15:54
DocScrutinizer05to same email addr?15:54
juicemehave you registered 2 accounts?15:54
siceloKotCzarny: i couldn't vote for myself. not ethical. nor did i use both tokens. just used one15:54
juicemeyou really got 2 *different* tokens? or same mail twice?15:55
KotCzarnyjust kidding, you know15:55
sicelojuiceme: no, just 1 one account. could be that my account was renamed (from qhubekela to sicelo)15:55
DocScrutinizer05same email addr?15:55
siceloyes, same email addy, different tokens15:55
juicemeyes, but that's a kind of loophole there that'd enable someone to vote n times... just register many email addresses.15:56
DocScrutinizer05now THAT is an issue only possioble to tackle on DB SQL level15:56
juicemesicelo ahh, that could be the reason.15:56
sicelojuiceme: i can give you my address if it would hlep15:56
juicemehad you requested a rename ?15:56
juicemeplease do, I'll fix 'em databases15:57
siceloyes i did. i don't remember exactly when now, but probably last 2 years15:57
sicelojuiceme: absicsz with the obvious domain :p15:57
DocScrutinizer05the "new account" propagated to the other system via, but it didn't delete the "old account"15:57
juicemeOK. this the 1st time you got 2 tokens?15:57
juicemeDocScrutinizer05, indeed15:58
siceloyes, that's the crazy thing. 1st time only now. last elections i got only one15:58
juicemeanyway, i've got to run now, to catch a train home. cya!15:58
DocScrutinizer05you should run a SQL query to spot all duplicate email addr15:58
DocScrutinizer05prolly most of them are artifacts15:59
DocScrutinizer05delete the older of both records then15:59
sicelo... making sure i don't lose anything :)16:01
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: there's nothing wrong with voting for yourself. After all whom else would you vote for, or would you not be allowed to vote at all?16:01
DocScrutinizer05at least I'm pretty sure everybody from Lincoln to Putin vote for themselves16:02
siceloi wouldn't. just me16:02
DocScrutinizer05actually NOT voting for yourself is like cheating on your own candidacy16:03
sicelobut yes i wouldn't find fault with someone else doing it. it's absolutely ok16:03
DocScrutinizer05I mean, when you run for the job, you should vote for yourself since you want it16:03
DocScrutinizer05unless you'd prefer to NOT get the job, despite throwing your hat in16:04
DocScrutinizer05this could be the first council election with more candidates than votes X-P16:05
siceloat least you will vote :)16:06
DocScrutinizer05you're sure? ;-P16:06
DocScrutinizer05actually I already did16:07
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: if you want to demonstrate dedication to the duty, you could fix - genuine council duty16:08
DocScrutinizer05it's a nice tradition that the coming council's candidates take care though16:09
sicelowill look at it16:20
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DocScrutinizer05it's basically a simple C&P job16:35
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DocScrutinizer05dang, that took me a while to find:
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DocScrutinizer05anyway here's precedence
DocScrutinizer05"funny" stuff: click "maemo wiki" -> WTF?!16:45
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly muses about how much longer and for what we need that midgard stuff. Maybe eventually not a migration to midgard2 (considered too difficult even by inventors and maintainers of midgard and maemo-midgard/asgard) but a mere migration to a flat web presence without any friggin CMS behind was OK?16:55
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DocScrutinizer05ohnoes, the whole autobuilder stuff still needs it16:56
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jrgalrighty. let me see about getting this n810 wiped17:18
jrgwas there much work done to diablo after the n900? probably not i'm guessing? better to just wipe it and return it to stock?17:19
KotCzarnyprobably power kernel for n8x017:19
bencohand cssu for diablo17:20
KotCzarnyand of course oscp17:20
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jrgKotCzarny: i can do this with osx/macos?17:31
infobotrefer ~flashing; (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):; list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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jrgOops! That page can’t be found.17:33
jrgfor chakra-project.org17:33
jrg32bit dmg there. wonder if that will do it17:35
KotCzarnyi think it's wrong17:36
KotCzarnyyou need 3.517:36
KotCzarnyah, it's there too17:36
jrgyah but doesn't install in sierra17:37
jrgdon't have another laptop available either. ah well. guess i'll just save this for another day heh17:37
KotCzarnydig out some old x86 laptop?17:37
jrgyah. i have one. but it's packed. moving soon.17:37
jrgnot that important. figured i'd just get the n810 going again17:38
jrgfigured i might be able to do it on a mac but guess not on sierra17:38
KotCzarnyborrow it from some cute neighbour?17:38
jrgmy girlfriend might get mad about that haha17:39
KotCzarnyoh well17:39
bencohit probably doesn't work because of libusb (or some other conflicting lib)17:39
jrgyah. not that big of a deal. i'll save it for another day.17:39
KotCzarnybencoh: mac17:39
jrgbencoh: it won't even install17:39
bencohKotCzarny: still17:39
jrgfigured it was because sierra doesn't support 32bit anymore?17:39
bencohwell then extract it :)17:39
bencohhmm maybe17:39
bencohthen you're out of luck17:40
jrgfor now. i can work on it later.17:40
bencohor ... you can try 0xffff, but I don't know if it's supposed to have support for n8x017:40
KotCzarnyyeah, grab the images, few howtos, tools17:40
jrgjust figured i'd get it out the way. i have an install on the nand but it just turns off for no apparent reason heh17:40
KotCzarnybad battery?17:40
jrgbattery is fine17:40
bencohjrg: you could run linux in a vm btw17:40
jrgboots. see the screen.. turns off17:41
jrgbencoh: yah i suppose. bit too much work to get my n810 working. i have a linux laptop packed away somewhere. some old dell i keep around for stuff like this.17:41
jrgfor those odd moments where you actually need to use an optical disc heh17:41
jrgi just happened to bump into the n810 while packing and it still worked. i remembered it having this turning off problem but i had a N900 by then and didn't care about the n810 very much17:42
jrgi was actually going to just mount it in the car for carman heh17:42
jrgi have a bt obd2 reader17:43
jrgso i was going to perm mount it... too bad the maps apps for nokia always sucked so bad. otherwise i might use it as a gps as well17:43
jrgi can't remember the one that nokia made that came with the n810 but it was absolutely awful. then they made HERE which was / is totally awesome but i highly doubt they ever made it for n810 and if they did i'm sure it's discontinued17:44
siceloHERE does not even work with N90017:46
bencohapparently maemomapper is supposed to work on diablo17:47
jrgdon't remember actually using maemomapper.... if i ever get this n810 back in action i may try it out. tbh i just want it for carman if that's even available anymore for codes if i ever receive any17:49
jrgnot sure if nokia or MS still owns HERE or whatever they call it nowadays but i still use that on my iphone. it's awesome.17:50
jrgtoo bad the N900 didn't originally come with it.. it came with ovi maps which was absolutely awful17:51
siceloHERE is just newer version of Ovi Maps.17:51
jrgsicelo: didn't seem like one heh17:51
jrgovi maps was awful and not intuitive.. here was. maybe the base was but the ux was completely redone to not suck so badly ... getting simple directions was an absolute task with ovi maps17:52
sicelofor codes, n900 also has pyobd ... no idea if it was packaged for n8x0, but should not take a lot to get working17:52
jrgah. i'll check it out once i'm done moving and can get this n810 back in action17:56
jrgbut i love here. i typically use it before anything else.17:56
jrgit also gives camera warnings. something most apps don't do17:56
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders creating a live linux ISO with flasher and all firmware images18:01
DocScrutinizer05fix this issue for good, for the forseeable future as long as there are USB ports to boot from, on X86 machines18:02
DocScrutinizer05terible overkill, data volume wise, but who gives a f* in times of 400Mbit/s downlinks18:03
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halftuxbtw there is a small live flasher image on tmo for maemo devices without firmware images and in the same thread there is a live image for N900 with firmware image included
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buZzomg so exciting21:08
buZzi'm gonna put a simcard into a n900 for first time in my life21:08
buZzso weird, a pda that can call21:08
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buZzwhat will they think of next21:09
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buZzcan anyone tell me where 'airplane mode' or whatever the equivalent is in Maemo? :D21:16
KotCzarnypress power button and select offline21:16
buZzah sweet, tnx21:17
buZzdont need to drain battery with pointless reporting of location to celltowers 24/721:17
sixwheeledbeast^Alternatively switch radio off to keep wifi enabled21:18
buZzsixwheeledbeast^: how?21:18
infoboti heard phonecontrol is
sixwheeledbeast^like that21:19
buZzhmhm, cool :)21:21
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NeKitI found out that if hd_comp_mgr_is_portrait() in mb/hd-comp-mgr.h returns true on start when X is in portrait mode, it results in black screen, but can't understand what exactly happens (faking the function to return false makes it render properly)21:55
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xesDocScrutinizer05: that missing png is not present in any folder22:06
DocScrutinizer05prolly irrelevant22:06
buZzmaybe it cant be seen, for its a ... IR elephant22:08
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