IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2017-06-24

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Maxdamantuskolp: ime, if the new one has significantly more capacity than the old one, you might need to quickly discharge it when CSOC gets to around 8%01:15
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Maxdamantuskolp: I suspect if you were watching CSOC you might have seen it stay at 8% (iirc if you read the spec sheet for the battery it talks about special behaviour at LMD/12.5)01:17
Maxdamantusactually, 6%, LMD/1601:20
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infobotmethinks bnf is
infobotit has been said that bq27k-detail is, or ~bq2702:01
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infobothmm... bnf is
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infobotbq-calibrate is, like,, or
DocScrutinizer05works reliably each time02:54
DocScrutinizer05even more reliable than lazyflashing ;-)02:55
DocScrutinizer05though... also needs the iirc02:56
DocScrutinizer05and you need to cd `dirname $(which`02:57
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MaxdamantusDocScrutinizer05: I don't think that accounts for the NAC <= LMD/16 issue.05:20
Maxdamantusie, this:
Maxdamantuswhen NAC gets to LMD/16 (I can tell by my logs that LMD = 1088 there, so 1088/16 = 68), it just sits there for a few hours.05:26
MaxdamantusDon't really understand why, but the spec sheet says weird things about LMD/16, eg:05:26
Maxdamantus> Self-discharge at termination of learning cycle. If self-discharge estimate causes NAC ≤ LMD/16, VDQ is cleared.05:27
MaxdamantusSo I'm guessing it just doesn't expect NAC to drop below LMD/16 under normal conditions and some mechanism at least gives it a chance for recalibration by keeping NAC = LMD/16 for a while, but eventually it decides something's wrong.05:28
MaxdamantusMaybe it wasn't designed for systems where the battery is swapped.05:28
MaxdamantusHm .. I guess the comment produced by that script could help though, since it says to leave the backlight on to speed up discharge.05:30
Maxdamantus> During a discharge with VDQ = 1, NAC is not allowed to drop below LMD/16 until EDV1 = 1.05:35
MaxdamantusSo something else causes VDQ = 0 during that slow discharge, allowing NAC to continue to decrease (without EDV1 = 1)05:37
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keriodo i really have to aac my music up :<12:47
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Wizzupkerio: ?13:07
keriowat do then13:07
keriothere's no opus support13:07
WizzupI have it in flac. works fine.13:07
Wizzupidk about opus. is there none?13:07
keriogstreamer is too old i believe13:07
Wizzupcould be13:07
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Wizzupkerio: maybe use a diff player13:13
keriour face is a different player :<13:14
Wizzupquite true13:14
keriowhatevs, AAC isnt even bad13:17
Wizzuphow large is your library13:18
Wizzupor is your library in opus...13:18
keriomy library on my computer is in alac13:19
keriowell, the relevant parts13:19
kerioincluding, more specifically, the newly rereleased version of OK Computer13:19
keriothat weighs literally 2gb13:19
* Wizzup raises eyebrow13:21
Wizzupwhy apple crap?13:21
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kerioalac is literally the same as flac13:22
MaxdamantusApparently mpd supports Opus.13:22
keriothe flac encoder on Let Down shaves off 34kbps13:22
* Maxdamantus has never used it.13:22
kerioout of 330013:22
kerioand yes i have songs at 3.3mbps13:22
keriono it doesn't make any sense at all13:22
Maxdamantusliterally the same as an a rebranded version of FLAC?13:22
kerionah it's a different algorithm13:23
* Maxdamantus would imagine ALAC would be a completely different codec.13:23
keriobut the results are pretty much the same13:23
kerioand it's open13:23
kerioso eh13:23
MaxdamantusALAC is open?13:23
MaxdamantusWell, I suspect there are open source implementations of it.13:23
MaxdamantusAh, Apple themselves released source code for it.13:24
Maxdamantus> After initially keeping it proprietary from its inception in 2004, in late 2011 Apple made the codec available open source and royalty-free.13:24
Wizzupso after flac became the default, they conceded :P13:25
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: what? play FLAC? works, just needs installing the codecs16:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not flac, opus16:52
kerioyou don't need lossless audio on a phone16:53
DocScrutinizer05I lost half of the convo, so nevermind16:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: opus is basically aac but better16:57
kerioand more open16:57
kerioexcept that it's only really marginally better at low bitrates, both aac and opus are essentially indistinguishable at 128kbps and over16:58
DocScrutinizer05yeah, flac actually abuses the shit out of even my 128MB uSD17:00
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kerio128mb? :o17:01
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DocScrutinizer05err nope :-P17:07
* DocScrutinizer05 sips more coffee17:07
DocScrutinizer05256 are too expensive for the bang17:08
DocScrutinizer05also I most like .iso with cue sheet, for true gapless playback, but alas there's basically not a single decent mediaplayer for that which could play songs according to the cuesheet17:10
DocScrutinizer05for a true audiophile it's an abomination when albums of e.g. Zappa or Pink Floyd don't play 100% gapless17:11
DocScrutinizer05there's an alternative format similar to .iso+cuesheet but using lossless compression. forgot the name, and problems with players are same17:13
DocScrutinizer05((coffee)) 30°C outside 27° inside, time for starting the A/C17:16
xes36/27 with A/C running...17:20
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DocScrutinizer0534 outside was yesterday17:34
DocScrutinizer0524 inside17:34
DocScrutinizer05monoblock with DocScrutinizer-patented booster: 2nd pipe to condenser cooling intake, to not only blow hot air out the window but also suck warm air directly from outside into the device instead of into the room via leaks in windows and whatnot and mixing with the cool air17:36
DocScrutinizer05oooh and bubblefoil wrapped around the hot air pipe, so it doesn't work as heater for the room17:38
DocScrutinizer05both together prolly increasing efficacy by 50%17:39
DocScrutinizer05or more17:39
DocScrutinizer05the operation manual suggests to hang the hot air pipe out the window and to **seal every leak in windows and doors so no warm air from outside comes in"[SIC!]. Do they hope to evacuate my room or what? ;-P17:41
DocScrutinizer05when I blow out air from inside, there MUST come in air from outside to compensate17:42
DocScrutinizer05the question is where you want that air to go to. I for one want it to go directly into the condenser cooling air intake of the device17:43
DocScrutinizer05already cooled down my 100m^3 volume a 2°C17:47
DocScrutinizer05in 30 min17:47
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DocScrutinizer05MPD1-12CRN1 12000BTU/h 1350W17:50
DocScrutinizer05dman! somebody stole my patent! ;-Päte-Klimaanlagen-Ablufttrockner/dp/B06XWF6Q68/ref=pd_sim_60_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JESBZSCTYQB31HVASNQ917:53
DocScrutinizer05TWO pipes17:53
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ShadowJKI've been carving those adapters out of cardboard19:46
ShadowJKYeah fancier models have two pipes as standard19:49
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keriohas the supl server stopped working again20:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's only a matter of player really20:30
keriothe n900 media player just likes to take a deep breath and drink a coffee between songs20:31
DocScrutinizer05no mp3 files and no players I found so far allow really unnoticeable gapless playback across songs that fade one into the other20:32
keriowith something better than mp320:33
kerioit's a shit codec in a shit container20:33
DocScrutinizer05yes, I think I heard supl stopped working on both nokia and google20:33
DocScrutinizer05in here20:34
DocScrutinizer05a few weeks back20:34
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: could it be that your rips are bad20:37
keriowith wrong gapless playback info20:37
DocScrutinizer05as good as they are when you download them20:37
keriothere's rip and rip20:38
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DocScrutinizer05and no way to tell them apart on aunt google etc20:38
kerioye thats why you use a private tracker20:39
DocScrutinizer05actually administartion and QA are the most tedious duties with maintaining a medium size music library20:39
DocScrutinizer05.iso and full-album .flac are usually just fine20:40
sicelosupl is working (nokia)20:40
sixwheeledbeast^I still think there's more to the supl server issue, as it only seems to work for some.20:42
DocScrutinizer05sure, it's most likely geoDNS20:47
DocScrutinizer05or whatever the correct term20:47
DocScrutinizer05doesn't make sense to provide an IP of a japanese server when you resolve the URL while you're located / connected-to-internet in england, and then the japanese server would need to have and provide the AGPS data of england20:49
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DocScrutinizer05 hmm, even worse, eh?20:51
DocScrutinizer05though... which port is that using? 80?20:52
DocScrutinizer05bullshit, sorry. The question is: which record type (A, AAAA, what) is a nokia GPS client asking for?20:52
sicelon900 clearly uses the 'A'20:57
DocScrutinizer05ok, then see above, though I think CNAME should work for A too, right?20:59
DocScrutinizer05I mean, no client asks for CNAME explicitly20:59
siceloyes, of course you then need the 'A' of the cname20:59
DocScrutinizer05is this a NS server property?20:59
siceloyes, you're right20:59
DocScrutinizer05try IP when the URL doesn't work for you21:04
DocScrutinizer05odds are that japanese server maybe actually has data for your particular location too21:04
DocScrutinizer0552.3.37.45  or
DocScrutinizer05kerio: ^^^21:06
sicelourl does not work since a while already .. resolves to
DocScrutinizer05for you, so I gather you're not in the Americas21:06
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DocScrutinizer05(actually I'm pretty sure you're not)21:07
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* DocScrutinizer05 knew that21:07
sicelolet me nslookup from a JP server21:08
DocScrutinizer05Japan was an arbitrary example. Seems the URL only resolves for US and Vrazil21:09
DocScrutinizer05Brazil even21:09
siceloi have access to a jp server ;)21:09
DocScrutinizer05root@UbiqPKD# host is an alias for is an alias for has address
DocScrutinizer05Received 132 bytes from in 10 ms21:10
sicelosame for JP as well as CN21:10
sicelothat's why i'm surprised it resolves fine for some21:11
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sicelon900 seems to have issues opening that page21:11
DocScrutinizer05there's a bazillion NS servers literally21:12
DocScrutinizer05let me help you out :-)
sicelothanks. i'm saving that21:15
DocScrutinizer05apropos, what's state of things with election?21:15
sicelono update21:15
sicelonot enough candidates21:16
* DocScrutinizer05 ducks and covers21:16
siceloi nominate you :P21:16
DocScrutinizer05GO F.... URSELF!!!! ;-P21:16
DocScrutinizer05I think a 6 months (or more( ragequit disqualifies for council anyway21:17
DocScrutinizer05and right now my workload/state_of_burnout is way worse than when I had to quit21:18
sicelotalking about that - how goes with Neo?21:19
DocScrutinizer05back when I was grumpy and tended to shout at people, now I'd simply shoot them down ;-)21:19
DocScrutinizer05[2017-06-24 Sat 17:12:13] <Joerg-Neo900> waiting for layout contract21:19
siceloany thoughts to cancel the project?21:23
DocScrutinizer05every single day, yes21:23
DocScrutinizer05but I'd feel bad for all the people who invested their money into support21:24
DocScrutinizer05I also don't really like the idea to run a chapter11 aka bankruptcy21:24
DocScrutinizer05nice trap I got caught in21:25
sicelolet's hope things work out21:26
DocScrutinizer05for now the plan is still unchanged: get a working prototype to show off (even when that's a fair showcase hack, with "the hidden cables running to the 'fridge' it sits on"), then start a kickstarter21:27
DocScrutinizer05then when that kickstarter fails, let's call it a zombie21:27
DocScrutinizer05when it succeeds, I hope not only for more funds but also for more support so I won't be the only one driving all that stuff21:29
sicelosince you're in .DE, is/was HBCI really secure?
DocScrutinizer05HBCI is considered safe afaik, yes21:33
sicelolooks nice. wish our banks had something similar21:34
DocScrutinizer05seems they actually done that one right, for once21:37
DocScrutinizer05basically an older more advanced though proprietary version of ubikey21:39
DocScrutinizer05(and costs almost the same like a ubikey dongle)21:40
DocScrutinizer05Secure Element is in creditcard (or now our new ID card) instead of inside ubikey dongle21:41
DocScrutinizer05Security done right21:41
sicelosomeone has to really take that all over the world21:42
DocScrutinizer05I don't use it (yet), PIN/iTAN is good enough for me21:42
sicelomy bank has an android app, but of course, my 900 is my main device21:42
DocScrutinizer05no app needed for PIN/iTAN21:43
DocScrutinizer05but "no app needed" also means "no app available to do the tedious bookkeeping for you"21:44
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siceloinstead of your iTAN, we have SMS :-(21:44
DocScrutinizer05ooh we have that too, SMS-TAN21:44
DocScrutinizer05considered highly insecure when you use tghe same smartphone for the web gateway AND receiving the SMS with TAN21:45
DocScrutinizer05changes 2 factor to 0.5 factor21:46
siceloyes, unfortunately21:48
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sicelolulz, i can't read german. but that wikipedia link does mention mobile TAN21:52
siceloincidentally, has a section about South Afica (mTAN), where i've seen those attacks myself21:53
DocScrutinizer05exactly that22:13
DocScrutinizer05mobile TAN must be the worst idea ever22:14
siceloprolly was the most obvious and not much thought given to it initially22:34
DocScrutinizer05LOL, funny stuff in my bash history. I already forgot22:39
DocScrutinizer05wget -O -|grep -a -A99 begin |uudecode22:39
DocScrutinizer05don't let tinfoil hatters see that ;-P22:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if that works with e.g. imgur too22:40
sicelohaven't installed busybox-power yet, so no uudecode22:45
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested, if any of you are, drop me a note and I'll forward the email to you
DocScrutinizer05or rather, your email addr to the sender of this offer22:48
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DocScrutinizer05yeah that's unfortunate22:51
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: ^^^22:55
siceloi've just installed busybox-power after all :-)22:56
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DocScrutinizer05do you have a *faintly* useful ps now?22:57
sicelonow i don't know which 'ping' i really have .. original busybox's, busybox power's, or the ping i installed separately :D22:58
DocScrutinizer05ping --help will tell22:58
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ping --help22:59
DocScrutinizer05BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian multi-call binary22:59
sicelomm, i don't get that output. maybe need to reboot23:01
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -l `which ping`23:03
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2014-12-06 12:39 /bin/ping -> busybox23:03
sicelomine is /usr/bin/ping .. i'm ok with that23:03
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH23:04
siceloi installed 'ping' from repos a while ago, that's where mine comes from. at least it's better than the stock busybox's ping23:05
sicelobut let me reboot and see what happens23:05
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DocScrutinizer05did you do a "ssh sicelo shutdown -h" instead of a "ssh n900 shutdown -r"?23:30
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siceloi still don't have your version of ps23:53
sicelomaybe something to do with -thumb .. no idea23:53
siceloor yours comes from somewhere else23:56
DocScrutinizer05mine is plain procps23:59
DocScrutinizer05no way you get that from messybox-whatever23:59

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