IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2017-04-24

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Enrico_MenottiMaybe I have some clues about my kernel problem in booting Devuan on the N900. The one by parazyd has the watchdogs incorporated, as he said. Mine has them in the modules, and for some reason they are not loaded. In any case, with both kernels, at boot I get the following error:00:42
Enrico_Menottimount failed for selinuxfs on /sys/fs/selinux: no such file or directory00:42
Enrico_MenottiI may be wrong, but maybe this delays too much the module loading.00:42
Enrico_MenottiIn any case, does anyone have an idea on how to have /sys/fs/selinux created?00:42
WizzupI ... don't think you need selinux.00:43
Enrico_MenottiYes I don't need it but is seems to be enabled.00:43
Enrico_MenottiAnd causes that error, which may be source for further trouble.00:43
WizzupI doubt it.00:43
Enrico_MenottiWell, it's unlikely, yes.00:44
parazydthe error, it's not affecting you00:45
parazydyou can disregard it00:45
MaxdamantusDid you do anything special for the watchdog modules? They should normally be built and distributed at the same time as all other modules.00:45
Enrico_MenottiI am able to boot Debian with my kernel.00:45
parazydthey aren't being loaded because he didn't add them to /etc/modules00:46
Enrico_MenottiI did the same thing for the modules in Devuan.00:46
Enrico_Menottiparazyd Isn't enough a make modules_install?00:46
parazydEnrico_Menotti: either compile them into the kernel or add them in /etc/modules for them to autoload00:46
Wizzupjust put them in the kernel.00:46
parazydno, there is no userspace calling for the modules00:46
Wizzupthere's no reason not to have the watchdog not in the kernel.00:46
parazydthe system won't load them on its own00:47
parazydWizzup: ++, i don't see why it's not like that in rx51_defconfig00:47
Maxdamantuson my system I just load them before contiuing with the debian init.00:48
Wizzupand you do it within 25 seconds00:48
Wizzupand if fsck runs before you do that... etc00:48
Wizzupbut yeah, if you do it in initramfs, it's probably fine00:48
* Maxdamantus intentionally does it before fsck even when booting normal maemo00:51
Enrico_MenottiSorry, my computer crashed. This stupid Mac crashes very often in the last days.00:51
Enrico_MenottiSo maybe I lost some message - I will read the log.00:51
Maxdamantussince fsck often takes more than 30 seconds (ext4), and the watchdogs don't seem to get triggered when the ext4 driver itself is doing the cleanup that fsck often does.00:52
Enrico_MenottiOk, I didn't lose anything.00:53
Enrico_MenottiI will try to add the modules to /etc/modules.00:54
Enrico_MenottiIf that fails, I will rebuild the kernel with the modules in it.00:54
Enrico_MenottiJust one detail: how exactly to add the modules in /etc/modules?00:54
Enrico_MenottiAnd in Debian I see that file is empty. So how are the modules loaded there?00:58
parazydit's explained in the file01:00
Enrico_MenottiSo just the names?01:02
Enrico_MenottiAnd I found this: This states that "Nowadays, most modules related to hardware support should be automatically loaded, thanks to udev and modules alias that are hardcoded in kernel modules (see the alias fields in modinfo snd-hda-intel output)." This would explain why in Debian the modules are loaded and in Devuan not.01:03
DocScrutinizer05you want particularly watchdogs to be in kernel or at very least get force-loaded very early by a simple process, not via udev01:13
DocScrutinizer05mind you watchdogs are timing critical01:15
DocScrutinizer05unlike pretty much *all* ither possible modules01:15
DocScrutinizer05was a probelm with uBoot iirc01:15
DocScrutinizer05uBoot bailing out and rebooting after 30s01:16
DocScrutinizer05and uBoot loading a kernel after 25s then the jernel had only an additional 5s until watchdog throws sticks at kernel's legs01:17
DocScrutinizer05though I'm a tad surprised about that, thought watcghdogs wake up from power-down in inactive state01:18
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Enrico_MenottiOk, I got a list of modules loaded in my Debian image. But how may I understand which ones are needed at boot time, in order to tell Devuan to load them?01:38
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DocScrutinizer05no way01:59
DocScrutinizer05except learning about, and understanding, the complete boot process02:00
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Enrico_MenottiOk, I will do that (slowly). But, however probably not related with this issue, I'd also like to completely disable selinux, so to avoid that fastidious error. If I got it, it is not enabled in kernel (/sys/fs/selinux does not exist). But somehow it is enabled in the system image. But I may be completely wrong. In any case, what is the right place for discussing this, maybe #selinux?02:14
WizzupI doubt it...02:15
WizzupAre you sure you're not just chasing a lot of ghost bugs? Why are you trying to build all thing by yourself when you run into these issues ? I'm generally curious02:15
WizzupAlthough I do need to sleep soon...02:15
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Enrico_MenottiWell, I'm trying to learn, first. In any case, the selinux issue is present also in the Devuan image I got from parazyd (hope not confusing the person who gave it to me).02:18
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WizzupEnrico_Menotti: ok, if it's to learn then go for it02:42
Wizzupyeah parazyd builds those images02:42
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sicelomerlin1991: ping19:58
siceloi'd like to request to be added as maintainer for irssi. i guess no need to remove the others, if it's possible to make me co-maintainer19:58
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Vajbis this the smell of new irssi version coming up?20:45
siceloi've just build 0.8.21 on my pc. unfortunately any 1.x needs higher glib than we have on maemo. i'm sure someone more knowledgeable could backport some of those new things, but i'm not such person20:52
siceloand, i've suddenly noticed that it might be difficult (if possible) to get a perl-enabled irssi to compile in the autobuilder, although i can build just fine on my pc. that would explain why it was originally left out.20:53
KotCzarnywelcome to the dependency mess, take your flail and go have fun20:54
siceloif this is indeed the case, maybe i could upload 0.8.21 to autobuilder, then upload perl-enabled irssi to the non-free section as a binary :-/20:54
KotCzarnynon-free you say? ;)20:55
sicelohaha. of course the full source would be in the non-perl-enabled one :)20:56
KotCzarnybut who might know what lurks in those binaries, who, whoo20:57
sicelothe thing is, to build irssi with perl, in SB you need two things: (1) export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl, (2) export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH20:58
siceloif there's a way to do similar in autobuilder, then we're sorted20:58
KotCzarnyyou might write your own makefile, or do some tricks20:58
sicelowhen i get to knowing htat :)21:01
siceloin the meantime, i'll do the way i suggested above21:01
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siceloKotCzarny: i've distributed irssi binary for two years now ;)21:04
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Vajbsicelo: cool. Will try it out tomorrow. Do i need to backup my settings or it doesn't overwrite them?23:28
siceloit didn't overwrite mine. won't hurt to backup just in case, and report problems of course, if any23:29
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