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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://thehackernews.com/2017/03/hacking-windows-dll-injection.html | 18:14 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, this seems to require local administrator privileges | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know windows, so I can't give educated comment | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, what I understood it needs a registry edit | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | it is uncommon for the user to have write access to the registry | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | from windows 7 on that is | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | for xp it is another story, but any sane group policy would disable such rights | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sorry, it's "a hoax" (which nevertheless tricked German CERT, and thus me) - see https://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Cybellum-verkauft-Autostart-Funktion-als-Zero-Day-3662090.html | 18:29 |
| freemangordon | I am seeing it, but I can't read it :) | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry. They simply bash Cybelum for incorrectly and prolly deceiving calling a perfectly working debug function as zeroday. It's an autostart feature that only can get used when malware already gained control, so MEH | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you could call gdb a malware as well | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 18:34 |
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| freemangordon | mhm | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | looks like that | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=18437 | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | if you want english version | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I had too much confidence in https://www.buerger-cert.de/ competence | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | from what I understand, you need filesystem write access and registry write access. If an attacker have that, I doubt there is anything that can stop him doing whatever she wants with that PC | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I already read the Cybelum explanation on that so-called 0-day | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.buerger-cert.de/archive?type=widtechnicalwarning&nr=TW-T17-0032 | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | and windoze is full of holes, sometimes to gain full control viree has to go through series of them | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: it sounds the same like if you have debugger installed. What can stop you from attaching to a process and injecting code? | 18:39 |
| bencoh | depends on which process your debugger can attach to I guess | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | tbh, i havent read the details of that particular hole, but i guess that normally system disallows such attaches | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | and in this case one could attach to antivirus | 18:40 |
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| freemangordon | it is no different if they discover LD_PRELOAD and call it -day hole | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: that "vulnerability" requires local admin rights | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, windoze is full of bugs, one has to stop worrying about that and just practice os/user hygiene | 18:41 |
| LjL | i've tried to convince someone to buy an N810 yesterday ;( | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: that's irrelevant, those guys just make noise IIUC. | 18:43 |
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| KotCzarny | fmg, we can drop the topic then now ;) | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | :) | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | in unrelated news, oscp has just gained ncurses remote | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | oh, and if anyone uses arch linux and want to test my pkgbuild (with source) pm me | 18:45 |
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| bencoh | I just stumbled on https://github.com/jstasiak/asterisk-chan-dongle/ | 19:39 |
| bencoh | (old old asterisk patch to connect it to huawei/3g dongles) | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | Please use a recent Linux kernel, 2.6.33+ recommended. | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | he he | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | 'recent' | 19:40 |
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| Vajb | would it be possible to make "autocalibrate script" for n900 battery? | 20:02 |
| Vajb | is it even possible to disable usb charging via software? | 20:02 |
| Vajb | and then enebale it when calibration is reached. | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | bme can ignore connected cable somehow | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | dont know if its controllable to that extent | 20:03 |
| bencoh | I suppose you could disable charging with i2c commands to bq chip as well | 20:03 |
| Vajb | if someone can make it Im sure i wouldn't be only one wanting to test it ;) | 20:04 |
| bencoh | (err, I actually don't remember which charger is sitting on n900, but still) | 20:04 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Hello, does anybody know how to boot Maemo's kernel in verbose mode? To be clear: I'm trying to use the flasher to boot the kernel and pass some parameters, and I'd like to understand if anything is working. | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | you need either fb console or uart console | 20:10 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: I am trying to follow what I found here: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnN900. But before loading a custom kernel, I'd like to try booting Maemo by issuing commands from the flasher. | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | you might check https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | and for fb you would need to compile it into the kernel | 20:13 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sorry I don't know this acronym. | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | framebuffer | 20:14 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Is it something that needs hardware connection like uart? | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | i have said you need one of those two | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | fo uart you need some additional hardware | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | for fb you need to compile kernel with fb and fbconsole enabled | 20:15 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | So it is not possible to boot Maemo's kernel as it is on the device and have a log of what happens? | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | i think fbcon conflicts with x server on maemo | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | but if you only need dmesg and can get to initial shell somehow, that's also the way | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | you can see what rescueos kernel/scripts do on boot | 20:17 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, thank you, but let me try to state my question in a different way as well. If I connect the N900 to my computer in update mode and issue "flasher-3.5 -R", the system reboots, right? There is also the option "-l" for loading a kernel, and "-b" for booting it. Is it possible to use the "-b" option to boot Maemo? (Maybe with some parameters.) | 20:19 |
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| KotCzarny | Enrico_Menotti: it should be possible, just use the same kernel and params | 20:51 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Sorry I lost the connection and don't know if you said something before. I just see your last saying. | 20:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Meanwhile I tried to load and boot Rescue OS. It seems to work, but the kernel hangs, probably due to a missing init parameter. | 20:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I think I have to load an initfs as well. | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | did you use their recommended command line? | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | its in the readme | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | https://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.3/documentation.txt | 20:54 |
| Enrico_Menotti | To be honest I just loaded the kernel and booted it, without parameters. I think the first to state is init, but I don't know how to load to memory the initfs and what to pass as init to the kernel. | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | see above link | 20:54 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Ah yes, thank you!!! It's the -n option. | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | you also can specify kernel cmdline too | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | -b"something" | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | in case you want to pass init= or root= or something | 20:56 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I know that. In fact I was trying to pass parameters to Maemo's kernel, but I think there is no way to load it to memory from the NAND. | 20:56 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Probably this only works if I upload a kernel by usb. | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: why do you need initrd? | 20:56 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sorry, not inird, rootfs. | 20:57 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I'm still making confusion. | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | also, you can pass parameters to the kernel via flasher | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: "-b, --boot[=ARG] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline" | 20:58 |
| Enrico_Menotti | freemangordon: Yes, as we were saying, by -b"parameters", right? | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:58 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I just did not know the option to load the rootfs image. | 20:58 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, sorry, I had a look at the flasher help, what I have is not the rootfs, but the initfs. | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | what does "load rootfs image" is supposed to mean, please elaborate on what you're trying to achieve | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | initfs == initrd | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 20:59 |
| Enrico_Menotti | To be honest, it is still not clear to me the difference between the two. I will read something. | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | rootfs I guess is kernel parameter root=$device | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | initrd == Initial Ram Drive | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | it is used to load additional modules and such | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | or to boot the whole "os" in case of rescueOS | 21:00 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Thank you. That's clearer now. | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | Enrico_Menotti: maybe, if you explain what you want to do, I can help more :) | 21:01 |
| Enrico_Menotti | :) | 21:01 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I am just trying to understand how to upload and boot a custom kernel, for the moment. | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | ah | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | I'd recommend installing u-boot | 21:02 |
| Enrico_Menotti | The goal is trying to get Android working, at least in a minimal configuration, on the device. | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | u-boot is the "right" way | 21:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I know there was NITDroid, but I have not been able to make it work, due to the lack of configuration. | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | but for initial testing flasher should suffice | 21:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I already installed u-boot, but in the end bricked my device and had to reflash the whole thing. | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | I see | 21:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | And yes, now I am doing just a preliminary test. | 21:03 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I have been able to boot rescue OS from the flasher. | 21:07 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I still don't understand why I have to upload an initfs and the pass a root, and not an init, parameter. But that's my fault, and I will read over the Internet, and books, to understand. | 21:09 |
| xy2_ | dumb thought, has anyone ran wayland on n900? | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | by default linux tries to run /sbin/init or /init, one hshould pass init= to avoid confusion, also, initramfs and initrd are both supported formats of ramdisks, rootfs is filesystem mounted at / | 21:16 |
| KotCzarny | so, you pass init= param to run the first file, and root= to tell kernel where to find filesystem (if you pass ramdisk param, kernel assumes root=/dev/ram or internal fs in case of initramfs) | 21:21 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Ok, thank you for the explanation. For now it is enough to have been able to run Rescue OS. Now I know that I may try some kernel tests this way. | 21:25 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Next step: trying to build Linux kernel as modded for the N900 (there are at least three options for that). What is still completely unclear to me is how to generate the initrd (or initfs) for a Linux distribution. | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | see rescueos github page for scripts and configs | 21:27 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Ok thank you for the advice. | 21:27 |
| Sicelo | by the way, why Android on N900? | 21:31 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: Oh, it started just with a need to install modern apps! Then evolved to this idea. A bit crazy, yes, but I decided to play with it. | 21:32 |
| Sicelo | you're linux user or? | 21:32 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: I'm trying to learn. I know better the macOS environment. I know it's a long way, but it's just a hobby. | 21:33 |
| Sicelo | just thought you'd have more fun installing Linux than Android ... (but not saying you should change) :-) | 21:34 |
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| Sicelo | on the N900, that is .. | 21:34 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: I will start by trying a Linux distribution. But I don't know what I may do with a Linux distribution in terms of modern apps, like, e.g. Whatsapp. (It's just an example.) | 21:35 |
| Sicelo | okay .. i was also just passing a thought | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | the other thing is .. at best you're likely going to have old Android on the N900 anyway, i think | 21:38 |
| KotCzarny | forget about whatsapp | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | they are stupid, closed source and hostile to anything other than money | 21:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: Of course I'm thinking about a "small" Android distribution, probably an old one. | 21:57 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: I know. But everybody today uses certain apps. It's impossible to avoid that, I think. | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | not true with that attitude | 21:58 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | What do you mean? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's about promoting interoperability and "use whatever os/program you want, just make the specs open" | 21:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Exactly. Don't be a sheep. I don't use things just because someone else is using it. | 22:00 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I agree. The problem is that fighting the "system" is quite difficult, I think... | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | who said to fight anything? | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | stop worrying | 22:00 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I'm never been a sheep in the past. But I got my great problems in being a "free minded man". | 22:01 |
| Enrico_Menotti | In these days as well - everytime I propose something which I consider interesting, but is out of common schemes, I get quite stopped by somebody. | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | i personally use n900 because it's a linux device with phone functionality | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | which allowed me to write and use my own audio player | 22:02 |
| Enrico_Menotti | That's indeed a good thing. | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | dont do things because of people, do them for yourself | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | and share them for others, if they like it, they will use it too | 22:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Lots of my friends use services I would never use, Facebook, Whatapp. etc. They use other things to contact me (like call/text me) it's a non-issue IMO | 22:04 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Yes, it's what I usually do in my free time. I need to care about people at work. | 22:05 |
| Enrico_Menotti | sixwheeledbeast: Not completely true, I think. With my friends I have myself other means to communicate - quite never by fb, and never had the need of wa for this purpose. But each time I find somebody new, or in the case of people located far from me, I am asked for these means of communication. | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | wa went the full blown evil way by actively banning 3rd party clients | 22:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Simply say you don't agree with these services and you don't use them. | 22:09 |
| Enrico_Menotti | sixwheeledbeast: It's not always possible. Sometimes that means the impossibility of a communication. What do you think about Skype? | 22:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I won't use it | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | impossibility? there is always a way if there is a will | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | social networks come and go | 22:11 |
| Enrico_Menotti | There's a friend of mine living in California. I'm located in Italy. We use to talk by Skype. How would you do in another way? | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | irc is there since the beginning of the internet | 22:12 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: Yes, that's true. | 22:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | SIP | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | does sip do video too? | 22:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | In fact the best think about the N900 was SIP OOTB over jabber | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | Lastly, if you're chatting on a regular ol' IM protocol—like Jabber or AIM—you can use one of Linux's many great IM clients to get the job done. Most of them support video chat, including Kopete, Pidgin, and Empathy, and you don't have to run any extra installations or start up other programs to get chatting. | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | does pidgin on n900 support video? | 22:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | There's also browser options for video discord and appear.in etc | 22:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Pidgin doesn't do video, I believe video in pidgin will be a different project "farsight"? Empathy does video I think | 22:22 |
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| WdeKer | Hi, Im looking for a 4.x (x>1) kernel version to build. I need working usb, charging would be nice, (maybe even wifi) and not too many bugs. any (working) recommendations? | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | elinux.org/N900 ? | 22:48 |
| WdeKer | says 4.6? is that working? | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | click on branches | 22:50 |
| WdeKer | yes too many choices ;) | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | funny that 4.9 is 181 commits behind 4.6 | 22:52 |
| WdeKer | where is 4.11? | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | whoawhoaa | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | dont asking too much at once? | 22:53 |
| WdeKer | is newer better? | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | anything newer than 2.6.28 is better | 22:53 |
| WdeKer | 2.6.28 has decent pm | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | but only 2.6.28 is fully supported | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | just use 4.9 and see if its working good enough for you | 22:55 |
| WdeKer | yeah 4.9 would be a nice target if it works .. | 22:56 |
| WdeKer | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178371 | 22:58 |
| povbot | Bug 178371: was not found. | 22:58 |
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