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| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 00:24 |
| buZz | np | 00:24 |
| buZz | seems some earlier extra-devel install wrekked dependancies | 00:25 |
| buZz | blocking u-boot to get installed | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !BEFORE INSTALLING THIS U-BOOT ALL OTHER INCOMPATIBLE U-BOOT VERSIONS MUST BE UNINSTALLED! | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hildon Application Manager will not allow you to install this U-Boot if there are some problems. | 00:28 |
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| buZz | i just wiped the n900 using lazyway | 00:32 |
| buZz | w/e :P | 00:33 |
| buZz | almost have extras-devel back and will retry | 00:33 |
| buZz | same result with a clean n900 | 00:35 |
| buZz | :( | 00:35 |
| buZz | right, apt-get install u-boot-flasher does something, lets see | 00:41 |
| buZz | alright, this is getting somewhere :D | 00:43 |
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| enyc | merlin1991: iirc qemu has a fat32 emulator ;p | 00:52 |
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| buZz | Wizzup: on your devuan-on-n900 tries, did you run devuan from internal flash? or SD | 00:55 |
| Wizzup | buZz: sd card | 01:01 |
| buZz | k k | 01:02 |
| buZz | i'm following https://github.com/dderby/debian900 atm | 01:02 |
| Wizzup | patazyd has a ddable image | 01:02 |
| Wizzup | parazyd | 01:02 |
| Wizzup | going to sleep. | 01:02 |
| buZz | dont mind, i have time | 01:02 |
| buZz | sleep well Wizzup \o | 01:02 |
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| Maxdamantus | I didn't really understand where that article was talking about the FAT32 emulation happening. | 01:10 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine it would be sensible to just have FAT32 emulation for the UMS (so you'd point g_mass_storage to a dynamic file in the FUSE mount) | 01:11 |
| Maxdamantus | but it sounded like every operation had to do with this "VFAT emulator" | 01:11 |
| Maxdamantus | all you need is a FAT32 emulator for UMS .. handling permissions for different applications shouldn't really need a special filesystem. | 01:14 |
| Maxdamantus | if you're restricting that at a kernel level, you'd probably just have each program have its own mount namespace where the diruectories it's meant to see are bind mounted into the expected place in a tmpfs. | 01:15 |
| Maxdamantus | tbh on the former thing, I'd quite like an implementation of that that doesn't depend on any Android stuff ... so I could just do `virtfat normal-directory /tmp/fat-normal-directory` | 01:18 |
| Maxdamantus | then make g_file_storage point to that /tmp/fat-normal-directory file. | 01:19 |
| Maxdamantus | Usually when transferring things to normal people's computers using my N900, I'll just have various FAT images sitting in files on my SD card, and I'll point g_file_storage at them when needed. | 01:20 |
| Maxdamantus | Would be nicer to export a normal directory as a FAT image instead. | 01:21 |
| Maxdamantus | I've thought about looking into qemu's FAT virtualisation thing before, that enyc alluded to. | 01:22 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, there's a project on GitHub under bwimm/libvirtual_fat that says it does the read-only version of that. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot | 01:30 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's really tricky :-) | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new kernel flasher pkgs have some nifty check to see if the installed (in NAND) primary kernel is ok to get replaced | 01:35 |
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| buZz | hmm ok, nice , devuan on n900 is pretty smooth :P | 13:06 |
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| Wizzup | buZz: x11 working fine? | 13:42 |
| buZz | yeah, just the Y axis is reversed | 13:43 |
| buZz | and i need to get rightclick working :P | 13:43 |
| Wizzup | I'm going to setup a devuan one too this week | 13:46 |
| Wizzup | hibernate? works? touchscreen as well then? | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | tried 3g modem? | 13:47 |
| buZz | touchscreen works, havent tried hibernate yet | 13:47 |
| buZz | i dont use GSM at all | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | you'll need ofono at least presumably | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | I'll try it on ascii | 13:47 |
| Wizzup | already have it working on gentoo, so... | 13:48 |
| buZz | no i dont need ofono at all | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | how do you disable modem? it might be still connected even when unused | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | I didn't mean you specifically | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: just send it the power down? | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | it may still be on, but that's what you can do | 13:49 |
| buZz | i havent looked at it, i just have it without simcard now | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | or physically kill it, but 'meh' | 13:49 |
| buZz | cba to care about it really :P | 13:49 |
| Wizzup | buZz: modem still works without sim | 13:49 |
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| buZz | well, pm-suspend doesnt let me return to awake | 14:13 |
| buZz | boo | 14:13 |
| buZz | lets see if pm-hibernate acts better | 14:13 |
| buZz | pm-hibernate does nothing | 14:17 |
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| spiiroin | just fyi: in sfos suspend is bound to display state (mce); and iphb is fixed to use rtc / timerfd to allow timer based resumes | 14:47 |
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| Sicelo | what is the best/safest way to restart hildon-desktop/home/status-menu? | 15:07 |
| Sicelo | i used kill, and now Ctrl+Backspace does not work | 15:08 |
| Sicelo | mmm, even shortcut for xterminal and screenshot not working | 15:09 |
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| Sicelo | by the way, it is not a hardware problem.. ctrl k the backspace are recognized in all other programs | 15:17 |
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| Vajb | Sicelo: device restart :) | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | nooo :p | 15:41 |
| Sicelo | don't want that .. 30 days uptime, and i'd like to have more | 15:42 |
| Vajb | oo race is on "uptime 37 days" ;) | 15:45 |
| auenf | my n900 is up 53 days atm | 15:47 |
| Vajb | does it still run smoothly auenf? | 15:50 |
| Vajb | asking coz mine has felt sluggigs | 15:50 |
| Vajb | sluggish* | 15:50 |
| auenf | running ok | 15:50 |
| auenf | altho, it doesnt do anything except be an alarm clock atm | 15:51 |
| Vajb | oh. Mine serves as phone, socialmedia and music player | 15:53 |
| Sicelo | mine works fine .. not sluggish :) | 15:53 |
| Sicelo | daily & main phone | 15:53 |
| inz | My N810 has 104 days, but all it does is update dynamic dns ;) | 15:55 |
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| KotCzarny | inz: make it an audio device, remotely controllable from your n900 | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:58 |
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| inz | KotCzarny, if you know how to make N810 to act as a A2DP receiver, then I would be very interested... | 16:00 |
| KotCzarny | network audio? | 16:00 |
| inz | Bluetooth audio | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | does n810 have bt? | 16:01 |
| inz | yes | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | and no one ported some receiver already? | 16:01 |
| inz | No idea. | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | oh fun, my dynamic ip is in spam list, time to reset the modem | 16:03 |
| inz | Maybe spam less? | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | rrright, if this sh*tty isp didnt change my ip every ~20hours | 16:04 |
| Vajb | too agressive multiplayer advertisement :p | 16:04 |
| inz | Boo shitty ISP | 16:04 |
| inz | My ip has stayed the same for as long as I remember, even through a few hour blackout | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73533 | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | hrm, folks there talk as if a2dp on n8x0 was no-brainer | 16:06 |
| Sicelo | if you have pulseaudio, bluez, pulseaudio-bt | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 has esd | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | no evilaudio there | 16:06 |
| bencoh | talking about a2dp receiver, I just tried bluez-alsa (alsa plugin for bluez5) | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | inz: have you ever tried http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13468 ? | 16:07 |
| inz | KotCzarny, wrong direction | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | oh, you mean n810 to send audio | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | or not. n810 has to be the receiver or sender? | 16:08 |
| * KotCzarny got confused | 16:08 | |
| Sicelo | :-) | 16:09 |
| inz | KotCzarny, n810 to receive audio over bt and pass over to jack | 16:11 |
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| KotCzarny | ahm. and what is the reason not just use n810 as a native player? | 16:14 |
| buZz | lol | 16:16 |
| buZz | why is n900 complaining about empty battery -during- charging ? :D | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | buzz: not enough amps? | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | buzz: using more than receiving? | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | buzz: not charging at all? | 16:17 |
| buZz | nah it was just suddenly complaining in my bag, i connected to usb just now | 16:17 |
| buZz | after the 'usb connected' sound, again 3 times 'huuu almost empty weepweepweep' | 16:17 |
| buZz | should just if(!charging) { | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | inz: http://www.lightofdawn.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00032 | 16:26 |
| buZz | KotCzarny: cool | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | though on n810 that would mean need to fit that somehow with hw sink(oss)/esd | 16:27 |
| buZz | hmmm | 16:27 |
| buZz | maybe i should try xstroke @ n900 :P | 16:28 |
| buZz | relearn graffiti ^_^ | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: hibernate isn't what you usually want to use in embedded | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hibernate is a pathetic effort to implement some low-power state on devices that don't know zero-clock | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inz: that would nead... A2DP headphone profile? Damn BT! | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: (should just if(!charging) { ) afaik that's exactly what it does | 18:48 |
| buZz | welp, it was nagging quite hard for like 20-30 minutes :P | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems there's still some bug sleeping there | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | would be great if you could reproduce this, while running some diagnostic instrumentation | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly dbus-monitor in 2 instances logging both session and system bus, and syslog, and bq27200.sh>batlog | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200.sh 15 >batlog | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for some strace stuff, please ask Pali | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hald-addon-bme? some systray yaddayadda noideawhatsthename. might be useful tarfets for strace | 19:22 |
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| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: hmhm, i dont wanna invest a lot of time digging into maemo | 19:45 |
| buZz | i'll just accept it complains about empty battery while charging and move on ;) | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: btw, quite important info: WHICH 'charger' did you use? PC USB host? Original Nokia charger? Some generic USB charger? | 19:53 |
| buZz | the former :) | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OOOOH | 19:53 |
| buZz | its a 1A capable usb host though | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's irrelevant since N900 doesn't even know such thing _exists_. It will charge with max 599mA from USB host | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 19:54 |
| buZz | alright | 19:55 |
| buZz | still, charging = charging | 19:55 |
| buZz | its not not charging | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 19:55 |
| buZz | :) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the internal 'flow chart' is quite different | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB host charging is much more software centricthan deicated USB charger | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually the "1A" thing might be the root cause of the problem, since maemo prolly doesn't understand that in ENUM power negotiation and so might fall back to 100mA charging or no charging at all | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where "no charging at all" in turn might mean that hw emergency charging takes over, doing a 100mA charging to only 3.6V iirc | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charging is way more intricate than you'd think it was | 19:59 |
| buZz | sure | 20:00 |
| buZz | the OS knew it was charging | 20:00 |
| buZz | charging animation was on, notification leds blinking to show it | 20:00 |
| buZz | yet, it still complained about being close to empty | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | i still bet it was using more than sucking | 20:01 |
| buZz | it did charge to ~25% eventually | 20:01 |
| buZz | after complaining for ~30 minutes | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | indexer finished killing your device? :P | 20:03 |
| buZz | :D | 20:03 |
| buZz | could be | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please keeo bq27200.sh around, for decent checks in case it happens again. Thanks! | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 20:06 |
| buZz | i'll check it out later | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn bot | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb | 20:08 |
| infobot | thx | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues bq27 | 20:08 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'bq27' by value (5): bq27 ;; bq27k-detail ;; calibratebq27200 ;; bq-calibrate ;; bq27200. | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27 | 20:08 |
| infobot | from memory, bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/ | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 | 20:09 |
| infobot | [bq27k-detail] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2, or ~bq27 | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please wget and chmod +x this | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you also want to install i2ctools for that | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ignore the scary warnings i2ctools installation pops up ;-) | 20:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 considers powerkernel overclocking app way more dangerous than i2ctools | 20:20 | |
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| kerio | yo Pali | 21:24 |
| kerio | are you around | 21:24 |
| Pali | hm? | 21:24 |
| kerio | i have bought a pi 0 w | 21:24 |
| kerio | ;o | 21:25 |
| kerio | how do i do usb gadget mode with more than one module? | 21:25 |
| kerio | iirc it was something supported by recent linuxes | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | lol, rpi? | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | seriously? | 21:25 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: the pi 0 wireless is /actually useful/ now | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | you got ripped | 21:25 |
| kerio | because it has wifi | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | off | 21:26 |
| Pali | only one gadget module can be attached/loaded | 21:26 |
| kerio | no g_usbhub module? :( | 21:26 |
| Pali | no | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | there is a gadget that does network + something | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | so just see what gadgets are available | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, buying rpi is a sucker's choice :P | 21:27 |
| Pali | you can export via one usb gadget more functions | 21:27 |
| Pali | there is one userspace for it | 21:27 |
| kerio | what about g_multi | 21:28 |
| Pali | configfs | 21:28 |
| Pali | iirc gadget modules are already deprecated | 21:28 |
| kerio | In it's standard configuration it provides a single USB configuration | 21:28 |
| kerio | with RNDIS[1] (that is Ethernet), USB CDC[2] ACM (that is serial) and | 21:28 |
| kerio | USB Mass Storage functions. | 21:28 |
| kerio | that's perfect :o | 21:28 |
| Pali | CONFIG_USB_CONFIGFS | 21:29 |
| Pali | For more information see Documentation/usb/gadget_configfs.txt. | 21:29 |
| kerio | dammit, it wants a file to do mass storage :< | 21:30 |
| Pali | modprobe libcomposite | 21:30 |
| Pali | RTFM | 21:30 |
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| kerio | meh, it's too complicated | 21:35 |
| kerio | i'll just leave g_ether and forget about the serial console | 21:35 |
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| Sicelo | Pali: what is correct way to restart h-d? killall is evidently not good | 22:18 |
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| Pali | stop and start via dsme | 22:18 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, let me check how to do that | 22:18 |
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| Sicelo | dsmetool i guess? | 22:20 |
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| Sicelo | maemo with no h-d running looks freaky :) | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | anyway, didn't solve my problem .. reboot incoming when i get fed up with lack Ctrl-BkSp functionality | 22:29 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Hello everybody. I'd like to know a few things about the boot process in the N900. I know there is some hardware boot, which for the moment I won't consider, and a certain point the NOLO system comes into play. | 22:36 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Does anybody know how to access NOLO and configure it so that it may boot something different from Maemo? | 22:36 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I've read that with u-boot by Pali the process is NOLO -> U-Boot -> kernel, so I'd like to know how NOLO can boot u-boot instead of Maemo's kernel. | 22:37 |
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| Sicelo | layman's terms - uboot presents itself as the kernel, so NOLO thinks it's starting a regular kernel .. | 22:40 |
| Enrico_Menotti | But is it possible to upload and boot a kernel without flashing it to the device? | 22:41 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I am asking this because I would like to try some things about kernel hacking, and to try I need to upload and boot the kernel without flashing it. | 22:41 |
| Sicelo | yes, it's possible. the flasher has a -l switch for that | 22:42 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: You mean Nokia's flasher, or Pali's 0xFFFF? | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | 0xFFFF has similar functionality i believe | 22:43 |
| Enrico_Menotti | The problem with 0xFFFF is that... well, let me tell the whole story. I ported 0xFFFF on my Mac. The Nokia bootloader is not working anymore on newer Macs. And on Windows it was not working properly. | 22:44 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Now the problem with 0xFFFF is that if it does not do the job properly, it gets in a loop and I need to shut down my computer and reboot it. | 22:44 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | So I would like to understand how the flasher (Nokia's or 0xFFFF) does its job. | 22:46 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: Do you have any knowledge about this? | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | no idea. told you i'm a layman :) | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | you'll have to ask Pali and other knowledgeable ones | 22:49 |
| Enrico_Menotti | I asked Pali privately. He told me to ask here. | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 22:51 |
| Enrico_Menotti | KotCzarny: ? | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | rebooting whole computer because of hung flasher? | 22:51 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes. | 22:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Anyway I have been able to reflash the device - now it's alive again. | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | that's good | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | yes he answers here when he has time :) | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | like he answered my question about h-d | 22:53 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Sicelo: would be great if he could provide a link to some documentation, if ever one exists. | 22:54 |
| Sicelo | on another note: is osso-feed reader open? | 23:06 |
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