IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2017-02-22

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Michael_a380Does 808 have a future? (debian, freemantle, harmattan.... possible ?)00:16
Sicelo808 being the pureview symbian? likely no00:23
Michael_a380A mint one for 150US (200AUS), still is tempting...... hmmm00:32
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newbieAlertHI . apt-get update does not seem to work. Ping to the same server works, but ohnly apt-get seems to have this proble=m. ANy solutions??02:23
newbieAlert^^ Talking about a chroot in Sailfish.02:24
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Michael_a380Well, this put me off  ..... https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9568404:49
Michael_a380http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/113891152804:49
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Oksanaaa"Cannot resolve hostname" when trying to use irreco-for-n90008:20
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SiceloMichael_a380: yeah that looks ugly (tmo post)09:38
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parazydanyone with facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NokiaN900Users/permalink/10155282546973322/11:51
parazydseems there's an n950 for sale?11:51
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DocScrutinizer05get it!12:54
DocScrutinizer05though screen is borked, a pity12:55
DocScrutinizer05spare LCDs for N950 seem impossible to get, prolly mainly because nobody has an idea which is the right one to look for12:57
merlin1991mine is borked too :/12:57
DocScrutinizer05hibge impact?12:57
DocScrutinizer05hinge*12:57
dmth|intevationmine to, same are of the display.12:58
merlin1991nah, black lines in the middle12:58
DocScrutinizer05that's hinge usually12:58
merlin1991ah okay12:58
DocScrutinizer05terribly 'stupid' design12:58
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Siceloany value to them other than 'limited edition'? (N950 I mean)13:01
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bencohI guess you could try and use it as a daily driver, but ...13:05
DocScrutinizer05OT: when behind a router with NAT, and forwarded ports = 10000..10010 plus ssh, how would this happen on the DEST device (which happens to be another router)?  [WAN_LOCAL-default-D]IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=44:d9:e7:9f:1d:df:24:65:11:be:02:dc:08:00 SRC=87.118.124.35 DST=192.168.178.22 LEN=76 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=58 ID=23942 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=123 DPT=123 LEN=5613:05
bencohI kinda understood that some (most?) of the nemo devs were using n950 at some point13:05
DocScrutinizer05they were the proto device for N913:06
DocScrutinizer05so *some* devels got a N95013:06
bencohDocScrutinizer05: nat changes dest address/port for net->lan packets and source address/port for lan->net packets13:07
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: yep, that's understood13:07
bencohmac-related (layer2) questions aren't relevant here (they're not affected by nat but by basic routing)13:07
DocScrutinizer05however SRC=87.118.124.35 tried to reach DST=192.168.178.22:123 which never been forwarded in the router13:08
bencoh?13:08
bencohthere's a common pitfall with nat and "dmz"-like servers13:09
DocScrutinizer05no DNZ13:09
bencohlocal computers can't join local dmz with public IP13:09
bencohbe it dmz or single port forwarding13:09
bencohanyway, lunch time13:09
DocScrutinizer05port 123 never been forwarded13:10
DocScrutinizer05oooh NTP, that might explain it13:10
DocScrutinizer05the DEST device might run a NTP (actually I'm pretty sure it does) and thus open a NAT session from external port $whatever to own port 123, which works both directions13:11
DocScrutinizer05ns.km33237.keymachine.de = 87.118.124.35, wonder WTF that might be13:14
DocScrutinizer05MEH!13:16
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/5611855513:16
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Michael_a380That facebook link wouldn't work for me... archived ok here... http://archive.is/KBhta14:26
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Michael_a380She put a price on if for 250US14:34
Michael_a380*it (n95014:34
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Michael_a380*she said $US250 through PM14:40
parazydthink it's worth it?14:43
Michael_a380Oksanaa: tempting?  https://www.facebook.com/groups/NokiaN900Users/permalink/10155282546973322/   or  http://archive.is/KBhta14:44
Michael_a380I don't suppose anyone knows a good way to figure out "Brazil's international shipping rules"?14:47
Michael_a380issues with battery, maybe can't do airmail.14:47
Michael_a380?14:48
Michael_a380I'll stay away from it, since I'm a noob.14:49
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freemangordonguys, does anybody have a clue who creates /home/user/MyDocs/.camera folder?!? it is recreated after a reboot even if I delete it by hand21:21
DocScrutinizer05hi freemangordon! wb! :-)21:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's known to get recreated. Don't ask me by whom exactly, I'd *guess* by cameraui21:26
freemangordonbut, it is recreated only on my GFs device, I don't event have such dir on mine21:27
freemangordona mistery21:28
DocScrutinizer05anyway you should be able to determine who recreates it by studying old (maybe Nokia internal, yeah sorry, I know) tickets, since IIRC it once had an upper/lower case issue and a owner+permissions issue too which borked stuff as soon as you had a non-FAT filesystem21:29
DocScrutinizer05(mystery) check storage location settings. I *guess* it might not get recreated when you choose to store photos on uSD card21:30
freemangordonit is still recreated21:30
DocScrutinizer05weird. So which version does your GF run?21:31
freemangordonBTW, the problem is that in file manager the "Camera" folder is empty, while there are tons of pictures in DCIM21:31
DocScrutinizer05yeah, terrible mess21:31
freemangordonversion of what? camera-ui2?21:31
DocScrutinizer05system21:31
DocScrutinizer05how's that crap called? XDG?21:32
* DocScrutinizer05 never really understoof what exactly it is and how it works, but it's related to .camera showing as Camera21:33
freemangordonthe same cssu-thumb as on my device21:33
freemangordonre XDG - me neither21:33
DocScrutinizer05https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-utils/21:34
freemangordonthe only related thing I can think of is that she has nokia-panorama installed21:34
DocScrutinizer05don't get me wrong, I wouldn't dare to suggest *reading* that stuff21:34
freemangordon:)21:34
freemangordonI won;t21:35
freemangordonoh, wait, those xdg-utils stuff is unrelated iiuc21:35
freemangordonit is about MIME types etc21:35
DocScrutinizer05all I know is it gets recreated during boot, and it once had an issue that it iirc been owned by root and 744 and was Uppercase, while the process writing (or trying to write) was "user" and expected a lowercase dirname - or vice versa21:36
MaxdamantusIf it's created by camera-ui, presumably you could remove it then killall camera-ui then see if it's recreated.21:36
DocScrutinizer05there's one weirdly named (closed blob?) 'job' to restore factory settings or somesuch, which might be related21:38
Palifreemangordon: /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh21:39
DocScrutinizer05((nokia-panorama)) never heard of. Maybe rename it so it can't get started during boottime?21:39
Pali# create some special directories for user's partition21:39
Palimkdir -p "$NOKIA_CAMERA_DIR"21:40
DocScrutinizer05HAH! Pali to the rescue21:40
Palimkdir -p $MP/$d21:40
Palifor d in ... .camera ...21:40
PaliI have rootfs_RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0.squashfs conerted from ubifs FIASCO rootfs image21:41
DocScrutinizer05Pali: did you cheat and simply use grep, or did you know off top of your head? ;-D21:41
Paliso I can instantly loop-mount it on laptop and run grep on it21:41
DocScrutinizer05:->21:41
Paliit is the fastest way how to do it...21:42
Paliless then 30s21:42
freemangordonPali: but, why it is not recreated on my device then?21:43
freemangordonalso, who sets NOKIA_CAMERA_DIR21:44
freemangordonke-recv?21:44
Palisource "$USERDIRS"21:44
PaliUSERDIRS="/home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs"21:44
freemangordonah21:44
Palisee content of that script21:45
Palithat mkdir is called after some mmc-mount command21:45
Palilook at that shit21:46
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Paliwhen mounting /media/mmc1 it creates camera dir21:46
freemangordonPali: this is it, my GFs device is missng that script21:46
Paliso probably one device has uSD card and one not?21:46
freemangordonboth have21:46
freemangordonseems somehow it got missing21:47
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/55967950  http://paste.opensuse.org/6176713621:48
freemangordonPali: thanks a lot21:49
DocScrutinizer05:-))21:49
Palianyway, now I see that dosfsck in stock maemo has special patches!21:55
Paliwhich are not in cssu, because in cssu is dosfsck from upstream21:55
freemangordondo we need those?21:55
Palithere is e.g. special patch for time limited check21:55
Palifprintf(stderr,"  -m       Maemo addition: MBs to spare in the system under high threshold (default 0)\n");21:55
freemangordonhmm21:55
Palifprintf(stderr,"  -T secs  Maemo addition: no-op time limited check for pointed duration\n");21:55
Palihttp://deriv.debian.net/Maemo/patches/d/dosfstools/21:56
Palihere are Maemo patches: http://deriv.debian.net/Maemo/patches/d/dosfstools/dosfstools_3.0.1-1_dosfstools_3.0.1-1maemo6+0m5.debian.patch21:56
Pali fprintf(stderr,"  -I       Maemo addition: ignore trivial errors like 'Free Cluster Summary wrong'. Do not use with repair!\n");21:57
freemangordonPali: copying user-dirs.dirs from my device fixed it21:58
Paliok21:58
freemangordonI guess some of those patches are already upstream21:59
freemangordonwtf? why is osso-laog part of dosfsck?!?22:00
Palithose are maemo specified patches22:01
freemangordonof, and osso-mem22:01
PaliI doubt they are part of upstream...22:01
freemangordonah, I see22:01
Palidiff is between debian and maemo version22:01
Paliso debian related patches are not shown22:02
freemangordonPali: anyway, GF says thanks to you, /me is going afk :)22:05
Sicelowhy isn't she using iPhone :)22:06
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freemangordonSicelo: she replaced n950 for n900 ;)22:10
Sicelowut!22:10
freemangordonalso, she wouldn't be my GF if she is using iPhone22:11
freemangordonanyway, I am afk22:11
Sicelo\o22:11
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