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| Pali | Wizzup: qemu-system which emulates n900? | 00:35 |
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| Pali | yes, there is | 00:35 |
| Pali | but musb is not emulated | 00:36 |
| Wizzup | okay, that was my question | 00:36 |
| Wizzup | thanks :) | 00:36 |
| Pali | n900 is included only in linaro-qemu | 00:36 |
| Pali | not in upstream qemu | 00:36 |
| Wizzup | I recall that | 00:36 |
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| Vajb | Mornin'. I havfe weird problem with my n900. Even if i open kbrd device is not locked to "widescreen" and screen rotates. Also some programs behave like kbrd is not slide out. How ever kbrd is still recognized. Device unlocks when i slide it out. | 05:22 |
| Vajb | have* | 05:22 |
| Vajb | i can name atleast two programs so far. Opera looks like it might pop up vkbrd, but doesn't and sticky notes pop's vkbrd and with many tries accepts hwkbrd. | 05:49 |
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| Vajb | but strangest thing is that screen rotation. It never locks to widescreen mode, but rotates when i tilt the device nevertheless kbrd is slide out or not. | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce config or version | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or hildon desktop config | 05:53 |
| Vajb | didn't touch those, but how to check? | 05:57 |
| Vajb | i have cssu-testing. Haven't used apt nor hildon app manager in months | 05:58 |
| Vajb | i _think_ it started yesterday after opera hang for awhile. Device was unresponsive like five minutes. And when it revived it didn't lit back light before i changed brightness settings from brightness applet | 06:00 |
| Vajb | could there be some process which died in the process and didn't respawn cleanly? | 06:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 06:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# status mce | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce (start) running | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try stop mce | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start mce | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 06:10 |
| Vajb | ok | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | try dbus by using the dbus commands to mce in ~phonecontrol | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 06:11 |
| infobot | rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 06:11 |
| Vajb | sh stop not found, eh | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root | 06:12 |
| Vajb | ah right... | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternCommunicationIM" | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:"PatternCommunicationIM | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even better: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:255 int32:1000 | 06:13 |
| Vajb | that stop/start mce did the trick | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k, happy it works | 06:13 |
| Vajb | screen backlight died as with opera hang | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | normal | 06:14 |
| Vajb | and i had to input security code which was the case after opera too, but i forgot it. | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | comes back on lock&unlock | 06:14 |
| Vajb | but it works now, thx | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for some reason mce got upset in a starnge way | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it was _nod_ dead, since when it's dead no screen rotation at all | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not* | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems something did nasty stuff to mce | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, "... with many tries..." might be dbus storm | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | htop is your friend | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or top | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also syslog | 06:21 |
| Vajb | i tried top but nothing seemed odd | 06:21 |
| Vajb | but yeah somehow opera got mce to crash or stop because i had to input lockcode there too as i did now | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah that explains it | 06:22 |
| Vajb | opera is versio 11.50.14 | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opera well might try nasty weird stuff to handle orientation and backlight and keyboard in a way not compatible with mce | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard anything like that, but opera does a lot of stuff in 'its own way' | 06:25 |
| Vajb | yup i've noticed | 06:25 |
| Vajb | i have two pages whichs give me instant reboot | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 06:26 |
| Vajb | both of them r weater services | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird | 06:26 |
| Vajb | ilmatieteenlaitos and foreca | 06:26 |
| Vajb | weather even | 06:27 |
| Vajb | dunno what they do or ask opera to do but result is always reboot | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could see how they make opera go south, but *boot*? :-o | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's nasty | 06:27 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 06:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah wait, when mce restarts too often, device will reboot indeed | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too often iirc = 3 times in one minute | 06:33 |
| Vajb | ok so maybe that is the reason then? Opera mess with mce. Mce upsets and runs away thus device reboots. | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# /sbin/mce --version | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce v1.8.127 | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Written by David Weinehall. | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Copyright (C) 2004-2009 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved. | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l /sbin/mce; md5sum /sbin/mce | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 81160 2015-04-05 16:56 /sbin/mce | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1edd10407336c736c0466bbcfe2084c9 /sbin/mce | 06:36 |
| Vajb | i have same version | 06:37 |
| Vajb | and same md5sum | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps aux|grep mce|grep -v grep | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root 819 0.0 0.9 6232 2284 ? S<s Oct18 1:29 /sbin/mce --force-syslog | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ps aux|grep /sbin/syslog|grep -v grep | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root 716 0.0 0.2 1620 548 ? Ss Oct18 0:24 /sbin/syslogd -n | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, Oct 18 is what you think :-) | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 05:41 44 Tage 17:42 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,10, 0,09, 0,02 | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep mce /var/log/syslog|less | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | > | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's also a problem with syslog and 44 days uptime ;-) | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l /var/log/syslog | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12473253 2016-12-02 05:38 /var/log/syslog | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# df -h /var/log/syslog | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubi0:rootfs 228M 187M 37M 84% / | 06:49 |
| Vajb | i have 27 days of uptime, but can't recall this kind of problem even when i had 70 days uptime | 06:51 |
| Vajb | if only there were sane alternative for opera, but main reason i like opera is that it is very fast to start | 06:54 |
| Vajb | didn't like fennec nor qml bowser because of slow start | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/r4fx | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, if opera is "fast startup" then they must be cheating with preload | 07:04 |
| Vajb | no idea, but difference is huge | 07:20 |
| Vajb | also i don't like default browser spawning that "prescreen" first and real page in new window | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and indeed opera starts fast, without preload trick | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | foreca.de didn't ever finish to load but didn't crash stuff for me | 07:22 |
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| Vajb | .fi does for me and almost instantly | 08:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its too cold out there | 08:15 |
| Vajb | and before u ask. No me device is not overclocked ;) | 08:15 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: should't be. Just -3 now | 08:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:15 |
| Vajb | hmm +n | 08:15 |
| KotCzarny | device is getting old, you know, old people get cold easier | 08:16 |
| Vajb | but i have easy solution. Just add those crash sites to hosts file to prevent them loading in the first place :) | 08:16 |
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| Vajb | hmm old? It is just starting school. Or are thos dog years? | 08:18 |
| Vajb | those* | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes, phoneyears | 08:18 |
| Vajb | my typing with work gloves could use some practise... | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | imo its just like human years *10 or *15 | 08:18 |
| Vajb | yeah i guess | 08:19 |
| Vajb | what is fastest device now? Like 2.2ghz or something? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | x86 ones? | 08:20 |
| Vajb | so if we count from there it is about 4, ah but 4 cores | 08:20 |
| Vajb | well what ever they use in androids | 08:21 |
| TheKit | 2.8-3.0 GHz | 08:23 |
| Vajb | hmm that oddness is back without anything unusuall. Rotating is not locked nevertheless of kbrd being out or not. | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | what oddness? | 08:37 |
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| Vajb | that screen is not locked to widescreen and that vkbrd pops up even if hwkbrd is open | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | no new apps installed recently? | 08:58 |
| Vajb | nope | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | reboot didnt help? | 09:01 |
| Vajb | didn't reboot :) | 09:01 |
| Vajb | i wanted to solve without | 09:01 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 09:01 |
| Vajb | mce stop/start helped momentarily | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | latest cssu? | 09:02 |
| Vajb | up testing flavour | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | run dbus monitor and log what happens after mce restart? (using tee maybe) | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | its noisy, so you might try to ctrl-c just after noticing problem came back | 09:03 |
| Vajb | i was thinking of trying to disable vkbrd and re-enable to see if it does something | 09:04 |
| Vajb | i'll try dbus monitoring after i get home. I think my boss values me working for him more than me debugging my phone :) | 09:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:06 |
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| Vajb | btw is mce only thing responsible for device orientation lock? | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: no, I think hildon desktop is also involved | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-monitor is a good idea | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to a logfile | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly both system- and session-bus | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and get syslog! | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search syslog | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: also check your slide magnet | 12:01 |
| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: but i it was mechanical failure then device wouldn't unlock when i slide kbrd open, right? | 12:06 |
| Vajb | but if* | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: right | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also in syslog you wouldn't see a kernel logline for the switch | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dec 2 06:17:28 IroN900 kernel: [34586.738189] slide (GPIO 71) is now open | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dec 2 06:20:15 IroN900 kernel: [34753.980438] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed | 13:00 |
| Vajb | ok, but my device unlocks when i slide it open. So dbus remains to be logged. I'll do that when i get home. Is there nifty command do dumb that log to file? I use mdbus2 -l | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | you can use | tee /some/path/file.txt | 13:03 |
| KotCzarny | so it will log to file and to screen | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd start with installing syslog | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mickey's dbus? niiiice :-D | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get "nifty command". what's wrong with redirection? | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mickey lauer wrote mdbus for openmoko :-) | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather for fso | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mdbus -l >>/home/user/sessiondbus.log&; mdbus -l -s >>/home/user/systemdbus.log | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and: jobs; kill %; kill %1; kill %23 | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kill %% | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | % | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | % | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %% | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %% | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tzz | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1, 2, 3, 4 % ^^^ | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kill %% kills the most recent job | 13:19 |
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| Vajb | hmm u lost me with those kills | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | disregard, just redirect with pipe to tee | 13:30 |
| Vajb | do we have it in maemo terminal? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | check? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 13:31 |
| Vajb | well will do in a bit :) | 13:31 |
| Vajb | ok noticed yet another symptom. Special character sreen is no longer popping up | 13:33 |
| Vajb | meh i'll just copypaste that pipe | 13:34 |
| Vajb | ok mdbus2 is running. Now i'll just wait for the problem to appear | 13:36 |
| Vajb | i could bet it wont appear anymore | 13:36 |
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| Vajb | ok it appears like few minutes after restarting mce and mdbus2 file was empty | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | add 2>&1 | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | before pipe | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | might be it spits out to stderr | 13:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: of course, kill is a shell builtin | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kill % kills jobs you sent to background with appending & | 13:42 |
| Vajb | yes i know kill command, but i didn't see how it was connected to this :) | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kill %1 kills job #1 etc, kill %% kills the last job you started | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stange that logfile is empty, did you monotor both buses? | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also check df -h | 13:46 |
| Vajb | im trying that 2 to 1 command that KotCzarny cave now | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mdbus -l can't be empty: | 13:48 |
| Vajb | mdbus2 -l 2>&1 | tee /media/mmc1/file.txt | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.DBus.NameAcquired /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ( ":1.453" ) | 13:48 |
| Vajb | thats what i try now. Earlier i tried without 2 et 1 | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^Z; bg; cat /media/mmc1/file.txt | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt; ls -l /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; df -h /media/mmc1/testfile.txt | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and finally get an idea of what's in syslog, or at least dmesg! | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2>&1 does nuttin: | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l >/dev/null | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^C | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# mdbus2 -l 2>/dev/null | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.DBus.NameAcquired /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ( ":1.455" ) | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^C | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possibly your uSD is borked | 13:55 |
| Vajb | hmm mdbus2 -l 2>&1 | tee /media/mmc1/file.txt segfaulted. Lets see if it did anything for the file | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, check your syslog and check `ls -l /media/mmc1/` | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only see that segfaulting when either dbus (pipe) is fubar, or the logfile filesystem is fubar | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why don't you log to eMMC (/home/user/)? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | df -h !! | 14:02 |
| Vajb | well anyways file was empty :D | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/30431797 | 14:03 |
| Vajb | but now i did just mdbus2 -l and copied that. Pastebin coming up | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your problems arise from out of space somewhere? | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | pastebin your df | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I told you the file cannot be empty since mdbus *always* logs own signal | 14:04 |
| Vajb | pastebin.com/raw/k4U4ASfM | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you should probably run mdbus as user "user" since it's logging session bus and I'm not all sure root's session is same as user's | 14:06 |
| Vajb | that is mdbus2 -l running while i restart mce and open hamsterfiler and problem reappears | 14:07 |
| Vajb | i was running it as user | 14:07 |
| Vajb | getting to syslog bit now | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your uSD is FUBAR | 14:08 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: df told me that im using 71 percent of rootfs and that is top. mmc1 is used 70 percent | 14:08 |
| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: i have no idea what that sentence means | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | copy some file to /media/mmc1 ? | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove your micro-SD card | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | just to check if it succeeds | 14:09 |
| Vajb | ok | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or first do what I suggested: [2016-12-02 Fri 12:51:12] <DocScrutinizer05> echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt; ls -l /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt; df -h /media/mmc1/testfile.txt | 14:09 |
| Vajb | works | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess your uSD is broken | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works as in: shows a length of 12 bytes for /media/mmc1/testfile.txt and cat reüproduces "testTESTtest"? | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you have not messed up your system with thumb binaries? | 14:13 |
| Vajb | $ | 14:14 |
| Vajb | ~ $ echo testTESTtest >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt | 14:14 |
| Vajb | ~ $ cat /media/mmc1/testfile.txt | 14:14 |
| Vajb | testTESTtest | 14:14 |
| Vajb | i don't have thumb installed in this device | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, so how can `mdbus2 -l >/media/mmc1/testfile.txt` fail? | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked about binaries | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those could sneak in when you got thumb repo in your catalogs | 14:16 |
| Vajb | ok let me check my catalogs | 14:16 |
| Vajb | hmm it seems i have thumb repo, but it is not used | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you feel ultrafancy, you can try to find the thumb binaries that sneaked in | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no clean way to identify them | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the fun part is that a thumb binary makes *other* non-thumb processes segfault | 14:20 |
| xes | :) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-02/gooligan-growing-security-hack-hits-android-users-worldwide/8087570 | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's not exactly something new, is it? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly just hyped in context of Avalanche takedown | 14:23 |
| xes | so far it wasn't so well organized so they never reached such numbers | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I changed my ER-Pro8 logging to log *all* sessions on NAT. Dang, that android device calls home often :-/ | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prolly should disconnect it | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply shut it off | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: of course you also could _try_ this: install a thumb-patched kernel | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's only for experts, in my book | 14:48 |
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| Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: i think i'll pass thumb kernel :) | 15:44 |
| Vajb | installed syslogd and am collecting data there | 15:44 |
| KotCzarny | why? powerkernel is thumb enabled | 15:44 |
| Vajb | i have power kernel | 15:45 |
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| Vajb | i also installed htop. Few items r in hours, but they r the same as in top. Like xorg and pulse | 15:53 |
| Vajb | also messagebus | 15:53 |
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| Vajb | Dec 2 15:55:11 Nokia-N900 mce[7270]: Cannot open `/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_focus/disable' for writing; Permission denied | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | that doesnt matter i guess | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | its a media player blocking system from fiddling with focus button | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | so you can use focus button even with screen locked | 16:30 |
| Vajb | yes i thought they r related | 16:30 |
| Vajb | that was only mce related entry on syslog in two hours | 16:31 |
| Vajb | also there r lots of glib-critical msgs | 16:32 |
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| Vajb | also slide open and closed r present so i guess that definitely rules out slider magner | 16:32 |
| Vajb | magnet | 16:33 |
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| Vajb | timeshop[7310]: GLIB DEBUG mafw-dbus - send: [method] com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer: com.nokia.mafw.renderer.stop() | 16:41 |
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| vectis3 | Is there a way that I can get a micro sd card reader to work directly in the usb port on an N8*0? It doesn't draw much power but the device has MaxPower set at 200mA. | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | just buy bigger sd card | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | n800 has 2 full size slots | 16:58 |
| vectis3 | I have n810 | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | if you put big sd card in internal one, you have second free to use | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | i pity you :P | 16:58 |
| vectis3 | why? | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | 2 full size slots baby | 16:58 |
| vectis3 | 200gb card in device | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | 2x200gb cards in device? ;) | 16:59 |
| vectis3 | n810 has only 1 slot | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 16:59 |
| vectis3 | I have a hub that has MaxPower set at 100mA and I can plug the card reader into that and It works without any issues (without adding any additional power to the hub) | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | does n8x0 support host mode? | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | reliably? | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | last time i have tried it, i was getting device reboots | 17:00 |
| vectis3 | I believe so | 17:00 |
| vectis3 | I've tried: "echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1/bConfigurationValue" once and somehow got it to work, but now I can't reproduce it. | 17:01 |
| vectis3 | Is MaxPower set in the kernel? | 17:05 |
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| freemangordon | hi! | 18:00 |
| MoeIcenowy | hi ;-) | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | so, clone h-d from https://github.com/android-808/hildon-desktop/tree/clutter_1x | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | and make notes for futre h-d'ers ;) | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | then start pulling the dependencies from https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=osso-sys&type=&language= | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | oops | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | from here https://github.com/fremantle-gtk3 | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | youl'' need to pull libhildon3, libmatchbox2 and libhildon from https://github.com/android-808?tab=repositories | 18:02 |
| MoeIcenowy | I built a hildon-desktop on my PC several hours ago... | 18:02 |
| MoeIcenowy | but when I run it, it gives me a black screen with a pink left-top button | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | not libhildon, but libhildondesktop3 | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | aah | 18:03 |
| MoeIcenowy | maybe lack of a theme? | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: this is expected, a kind of | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | yes, lack of theme | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | ~repos | 18:03 |
| infobot | from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | just a sec | 18:03 |
| MoeIcenowy | should I check out the theme from my N900? | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/h/hildon-theme-alpha/ | 18:04 |
| MoeIcenowy | nokia-binary... | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | this is the theme, you have to install it with --force-all | 18:04 |
| MoeIcenowy | I will try to extract and copy it, as my distro is not debian-based | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: also, you need to create 2 symlinks | 18:05 |
| MoeIcenowy | alpha -> /usr/share/theme/default ? | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | /usr/share/themes/default -> alpha | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | and /etc/hildon/theme -> /usr/share/themes/default | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: keep in mind that this h-d "fork" is broken in several axpects | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | *aspects | 18:07 |
| MoeIcenowy | ? | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | task navigator is broken, there is some problem with application focus, etc | 18:07 |
| MoeIcenowy | how to get the wallpaper? | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | that is why we started porting to gkt3 from scratch a couple of days ago, see the thread from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1519591&postcount=69 | 18:09 |
| MoeIcenowy | I saw it try to read /home/icenowy/.backgrounds/background-*.pvr | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | copy backgrounds folder from your n900 | 18:09 |
| MoeIcenowy | ah-oh | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | it actually wants pngs | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | it is in /home/user/ | 18:09 |
| MoeIcenowy | it them different pages' wallpaper? | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | can't parse | 18:10 |
| MoeIcenowy | maybe I should say "different view" | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | sorry, stil can;t get the question | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | but, just copy .backgrounds folder from your n900 to the home directory of the user you run h-d as | 18:12 |
| MoeIcenowy | thx, saw it ;-) | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | she asks if it will be those multi page wallpapers, scrollable | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | aah | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | yes, there should be | 18:14 |
| MoeIcenowy | ok got how the wallpaper works | 18:15 |
| MoeIcenowy | and will you make h-d a desktop environment that suits every distro? ;-) | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | this is what we try to do, though it is a distro by itself I guess | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | h-d is not exactly a desktop pc environment :) | 18:17 |
| MoeIcenowy | I want to pack it up for my distro ;-( | 18:17 |
| MoeIcenowy | s/ ;-(/ ;-) | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | well, it is debian based | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | but once we have it fully working on de**an, I don;t see why it couldn;t be ported to other distrox | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | *distros | 18:19 |
| MoeIcenowy | de**an? you care also devuan? | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: all my tests so far are on devuan ;) | 18:19 |
| MoeIcenowy | oh | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | and btw you can build devuan image for n900 | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | see https://github.com/dyne/arm-sdk | 18:20 |
| MoeIcenowy | how do h-d acquire the applications list? | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: /usr/share/applications/hildon iirc | 18:21 |
| MoeIcenowy | on my testing environment it has only a tana_ap_user_guide | 18:21 |
| MoeIcenowy | oh it needs a subdir... | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | not 100% sure though | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | but you can always export DISPLAY and start whatever you want from the shell | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: cant it suck the window names from DE ? | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: from DE? it *IS* DE | 18:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | i meant from the DE standard way of acquiring window/app list | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: do you use Zephyr to run h-d on? | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: don;t know what is the standard way :) | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | s?Zephir/Xephyr | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: when app creates x11 window it usually calls it with some params/env settings | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | yevery day seems to be typo day lately | 18:24 |
| MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: yes Xephyr. | 18:24 |
| MoeIcenowy | and my mouse cursor seems to be eaten by h-d ;-) | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: and? do you mean are application titles visible in task navigator? | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | or in status bar? | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | check: xwininfo -tree -root | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | not now | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | but it has window manager, so I guess it does all the stuff needed | 18:26 |
| MoeIcenowy | and I think I need a gtk+3 plugin... | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/252906/how-to-get-the-list-of-open-windows-from-xserver | 18:26 |
| MoeIcenowy | GNOME applications is shown very ridiculously under hildon... | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: ah, I think I get it now - yes, it takes ownership on all applications started so far on that xserver | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | *of | 18:27 |
| MoeIcenowy | It try to use the GNOME header bar to replace the hildon titlebar | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | you can't, afaik | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | title bar is build-in in h-d | 18:27 |
| MoeIcenowy | http://img.vim-cn.com/a8/4e4448562a41bf8f77d16148033f57ea25835d.png this picture shows the situation | 18:28 |
| freemangordon | cool :) | 18:29 |
| MoeIcenowy | and how to deal with the Gtk menu bar is also a problem... | 18:29 |
| MoeIcenowy | in fact, not only GNOME apps but all applications who want to draw its own titlebar may face the titlebar problem... | 18:30 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: I think is what you're trying to do is similar to forcing unity to use xfce's panel | 18:31 |
| MoeIcenowy | maybe I should say force xfce to use unity's panel ;-) | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: you can just grab a random application and expect it to behave correctly under hildon | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:32 |
| MoeIcenowy | yes apps without headerbar works fine | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | it needs to be "hildonized" | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | there is a whole big doc on hildon UI | 18:32 |
| MoeIcenowy | yes... | 18:33 |
| MoeIcenowy | I think we should make some general toolkit automatically hildonized | 18:33 |
| MoeIcenowy | like maemo-gtk did on real Maemo | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | no way IMO | 18:34 |
| MoeIcenowy | we can use gtk modules to inject into Gtk+ | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, isnt h-d taking whole top row? | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | unless you find 5 more guys | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | last time i remember available area isnt from the top of lcd, but under status bar | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | depends if the application is fullscreen or not | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | and WMs have a way to enforce apps to specific allowable size | 18:35 |
| freemangordon | in fullscreen it takes, well, the full screen area :) | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | ie. see fluxbox' option 'maximizeover' | 18:36 |
| MoeIcenowy | have you used original matchbox? | 18:36 |
| MoeIcenowy | I mean the matchbox that is now managed on yocto | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | no | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | do you thinks it is better to use it than the one in maemo? | 18:38 |
| MoeIcenowy | nope | 18:39 |
| MoeIcenowy | it's very simple | 18:39 |
| MoeIcenowy | or I should say "too simple" | 18:39 |
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| MoeIcenowy | oh I forgot to mention that when building on newest Gtk+ and Clutter, I met lots of deprecation Werrors | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | but anyway we won;t use that code | 18:50 |
| MoeIcenowy | so that I had to sed all configure.ac and delete -Werror | 18:50 |
| MoeIcenowy | you will re-port it, right? | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | yes | 18:51 |
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| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: what did you mean by "we can use gtk modules to inject into Gtk+"? | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I think I got it | 22:22 |
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| MoeIcenowy | freemangordon: yes | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | MoeIcenowy: do you have experience with that? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | as there is almost no info over the net on what is the correct way of using stuff in gtk_module_init() | 23:59 |
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