IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2016-10-28

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RailroadmasterIs this the Maemo IRC?10:19
RailroadmasterOK it says my IP address is on the Anti-Spam list, could I please have it removed?10:20
RailroadmasterThe website told me to come here10:21
Railroadmaster"Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist.10:22
RailroadmasterFeel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel."10:22
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RailroadmasterIs there some way to address this10:24
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RailroadmasterSo any idea about the IP?10:45
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KotCzarnyis your ip dynamic?10:57
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L29Ahfacilitating facilitators failed to facilitate sane forum policies :(12:48
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DocScrutinizer05we have pretty sane forum policies13:32
L29Ahbanning random bands of ip addresses from reading forums and wiki is not sane13:33
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DocScrutinizer05how's that a *policy*?13:39
DocScrutinizer05that's a implementation detail13:39
DocScrutinizer05and your pun on "facilitators" is completely off13:40
DocScrutinizer05council isn't really in a position to micromanage implementation details13:41
DocScrutinizer05You'd know if you bothered to contribute and help instead of just making demotivating jokes13:42
DocScrutinizer05tmo is using blacklists, and the tmo maintainers/admins have no real saying in which IPs get blocked by those13:44
DocScrutinizer05so best they can do is send customers here to let maintainer know there's an exception needed, which usually gets implemented instantly13:45
DocScrutinizer05if we need blacklist guarding for mere *reading* of forum, or this could get set up in a way so only login is guarded is a completely different topic to discuss13:46
DocScrutinizer05still nothing council is supposed to have any notion or expertise about, best thing council can do is suggest here13:46
DocScrutinizer05hint: maintainer of tmo is chem|st13:47
DocScrutinizer05bottom line: if you had forwarded Railroadmaster to chem|st instead of ranting about "facilitators failed to facilitate", that would have made this a more helpful and friendly place for everybody13:50
DocScrutinizer05sorry when I sound grumpy and pissed - maybe that's because I actually am. This sort of rant doesn't help anybody and I seen it too often already13:52
DocScrutinizer05(this sort: "facilitators failed to facilitate")13:52
DocScrutinizer05if you really want to criticize council for anything, then that would be the lack of presence in here, since their job would be to answer what I suggested you could have answered instead of that rant13:57
DocScrutinizer05they also could point at a lack of precision in instructions given to tmo visitors that get blocked, it should mention whom to ping in here since obviously a lot of users in here have no idea how to handle such a case (ping the maintainer, explain the situation to visitor, ask for patientce and express sorry for the inconvenience)14:01
DocScrutinizer05that's what council is supposed to do, not mess with tmo blacklist modules14:03
DocScrutinizer05that's "facilitating"14:03
DocScrutinizer05council not even has admin accounts on tmo VM14:10
DocScrutinizer05and that's entirely on purpose, they shall not have those14:10
DocScrutinizer05maybe helpful (just apply common sense to adapt those rules to the 'new' situation, like "hire staff" becomes "appoint/fire competent expert volunteers for maintaining maemo infra")
DocScrutinizer05"Being able to represent the community to Nokia" becomes "moderate between techstaff and larger community"14:21
DocScrutinizer05even better:
sixwheeledbeastNeed to make it clear on the reject page that techstaff are not here 24/7 they may have to wait about for a response14:31
sixwheeledbeastStill not ideal rejecting Tor in the first place, I would normally not bother with a site like this and move on.14:31
sixwheeledbeastI know, it's not "Tor" but most of the end nodes are blocked.14:32
KotCzarnyor make infobot react on the usuall paste14:32
sixwheeledbeastah well ~unbanip is a thing14:32
KotCzarnyfe. on 'Anti-Spam list'14:32
infobot[unbanip] please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see
KotCzarnyor just add this info to error page and be done with irc14:33
DocScrutinizer05~unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here14:39
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay14:39
infobotrumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see
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DocScrutinizer05~forget unbanip14:39
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot unbanip14:39
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo unbanip is also contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here14:39
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0514:39
infobotmethinks unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here14:39
infobotmethinks techstaff is techstaff(AT) - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: thanks!14:43
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DocScrutinizer05oh WOW! Jolla finally remembering its roots16:53
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totalizatorthis is nice19:05
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