IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-09-22

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OksanaVajb: Thanks! What are the settings for mBarcode? I have full screen, continuous scanning, continuous autofocus, with 2.0s delay time, and save history00:41
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sixwheeledbeastmBarcode is fine for me, I switched auto scan off IIRC01:43
OksanaMapper is weird. Will need to practice to be sure that it works. At first flance, it depends on both libgtk and libhildon, but window->menu is GTK-ish tiny.01:48
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VajbOksana: i have exactly same settings. I think they r default settings. Because i can't recall changing any.05:35
VajbAre we going to have newer Irssi? I got notice from freenode so i suppose there is some problems with older versions.05:36
Vajbthey are urging 08.20 and we have 08.1705:37
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siceloVajb: what does the notice say?07:01
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siceloVajb: i wonder if the maintainer is still active .. i wouldn*'t mind maintainig it. anyway, there's a perl script they provided which should achieve the  same benefits (and we can use scripts on n900) .f)07:15
OksanaSure about perl scripts for irssi? I thought that N900's irssi had perl scripts disabled07:24
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siceloi compiled a perl version some time ago ... see tmo07:33
VajbOksana: they were disabled but sicelo fixed it07:33
Vajb      [Global Notice] Hi all, we would urge all irssi users to head07:35
Vajb          over to
Vajb       and also upgrade to the latest version. I would also like to07:35
Vajb          say thank you to the current irssi dev team for the early07:35
Vajb          warning!07:35
Vajbsicelo: ^07:36
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hexnewbieSo my Nokia N900 got stolen and I got it back. I want, without booting into it, to create an image of the MyDocs and rootfs, then possibly examine the contents, and possibly flash it. Is there a way to do this? The flasher can only write an image to the device, but not read one.08:28
infobotrumour has it, backupmenu is, or one-click install handling dependency issues:
sicelohexnewbie: the above08:35
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siceloi don't know why booting would be a problem by the way?08:36
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hexnewbieDunno, wanted to create a full image before doing any modifications (including booting). Also judging by the contents of the SD card, it may have been flashed with Android (don't know if that's possible) or something.08:38
hexnewbieI read the BackupMenu thread, but I got the idea I had to install in on the device, so I went on reading about rescueOS. Did I get it wrong? :)08:40
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siceloi don't remember if rescueos can do ackups08:52
sicelobooting shouldn't change anything imo08:52
hexnewbieThanks. I will read more about both, and decide what to do here. (But yeah, I suspect booting may not change anything, but I prefer to be sure, and especially avoid installing things. I may be attempting to restore deleted files (conboy notes, possibly contacts) afterwards - which may be pointless, but whatever.)08:56
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sicelohexnewbie: use rescueos, and export t the emmc via usb09:02
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freemangordonanyone interested in testing libglib2.0 from ubuntu 14.04 on maemo? It is needed so newer libgnutls to be available as well (and newer libsoup, so cutetube to work with newer youtube SSL requirements)?12:40
KotCzarnywhat needs to be done?12:40
freemangordonwell, debian packaging for maemo12:40
KotCzarnyso you just want to grab ubuntu pkg src and compile for maemo?12:41
freemangordonalso, forward-porting a couple of maemo patches12:41
freemangordonI already did it, but compiled with ./cofigure, make etc12:42
freemangordon(grabbed ubuntu package that is)12:42
freemangordonbut it has dependencies to 5 other packages, 3 of them non-existing in maemo12:42
freemangordon(ffi, nettle and gmp)12:43
KotCzarnythis one?12:43
freemangordonI built all of those under SB, (winth configure and make)12:44
freemangordonoh, wait, it is not from ubuntu12:44
freemangordonthat one12:45
freemangordonok, so I built and tested on device with LD_PRELOAD and cutetube2 is able to play from youtube12:45
freemangordonbuilding includes glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4 glib-networking-2.32.3 gmp-5.1.3+dfsg gnutls26-2.12.23 libffi-3.0.10 libsoup2.4-2.38.1 nettle-2.7.112:46
freemangordonKotCzarny: but neither of those has working maemo packaging12:47
freemangordonalso, libglib need forward-ported (besides 40-gscanner.patch, which I already did)12:48
freemangordonas CSSU seems to be no more, I can distribute through CSSU-thumb, once it is tested to not break something12:50
KotCzarnywerent there recent cssu release?12:50
KotCzarny(around june)12:50
freemangordonwere there?12:50
freemangordonyes, but merlin1991 is too busy and has no time, so we lack a maintainer12:51
freemangordonhowever, CSSU is another story12:51
KotCzarny2014 vs 201612:52
KotCzarnythough is even more outdated12:53
freemangordonKotCzarny: wiki page lies ;)12:53
KotCzarnyi know, but many people probably see that page12:54
freemangordon"10.10.2015 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11+thumb0"12:54
freemangordonKotCzarny: cssu-thumb is more up-to-date as of now, it is based on the last cssu-testing out12:55
freemangordonwhich is "21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) "12:56
freemangordonanyway, I would like to get some help on packaging and testing newer libglib2.012:57
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freemangordonI guess even the one from ubuntu 14.04 will compile without problems, I just took an older version to test with12:57
KotCzarnyoh wow, so many unmet deps12:59
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freemangordonsee the list of libs ^^^12:59
KotCzarnythe worst ones would be related to build env debhelper/cdbs/dpkg-dev etc12:59
freemangordonor rather autofoo stuff, debian stuff would be easier13:00
KotCzarnyi got in my devchroot: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 8.1.3) cdbs (>= 0.4.93) gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.11) dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0) libelf-dev libpcre3-dev (>= 8.11) desktop-file-utils gtk-doc-tools (>= 1.15) linux-libc-dev dbus-x11 shared-mime-info python-dbus python-gobject-2 libxml2-utils libffi-dev (>= 3.0.0)13:00
freemangordonthose are not really needed for building13:00
KotCzarnyyes, but requires to rewrite building scripts13:01
KotCzarnyso they would work with older env13:01
freemangordonKotCzarny: do autoreconf in host OS13:01
freemangordonthen configure script works in SB13:01
freemangordonKotCzarny: also, gcc4.2 fails to build gmp, IIRC13:02
KotCzarnyi dont use host os utils, and im talking about debian specific scripts13:02
freemangordonyou need SB thumb with gcc 4.7 :)13:02
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KotCzarny[root@n900chr 10:00:54 /1/_src/debian/glib/glib2.0-2.33.12+really2.32.4]# dpkg -l|grep gmp13:02
KotCzarnyii  libgmp3c2                         2:4.3.2+dfsg-1ubuntu3        Multiprecision arithmetic librar13:02
freemangordonKotCzarny: yes, I know what you mean, the point is that you run autoreconf -v -f i in host OS, then run the produced configure script in SB. Without debian packaging ofc13:03
KotCzarnyfmg: but point is to prepare packaging?13:04
freemangordonwe can always use debian packaging from maemo libglib13:04
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KotCzarnyi've tackled autofoo barfs in the past without problems13:04
KotCzarnywe need debian-foo master13:05
freemangordonwith fixind build deps in debian/control ofc13:05
freemangordonKotCzarny: gtg, be back in a couple of hours13:06
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klydrari just received an n900 online, it won't connect or see any wireless networks, the only evidence it has a NIC is a mac address in the about section, how might i troubleshoot to see if it is hardware issue13:43
KotCzarnycheck dmesg too13:43
KotCzarnyif you can pastebin dmesg13:43
CatButtssomeday, n900, someday13:44
KotCzarnyklydrar: first thing to do with 2nd hand device would be flashing though13:46
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klydrarit would be easier if i could input a '>' with this keyboard :(, but I am seeing w11251: WARNING WLAN not ready, w11251: ERROR unsupported chip id: 0x013:55
KotCzarnyeither broken chip or bad firmware13:56
infobot[maemo-flashing], or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing13:56
klydrarokay, so i've already done the fiasco and emmc flashing a few hours ago and result is same13:57
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klydrarpoor me, i hope the seller will send me one that works while i use this for basic text/calls ;c13:57
KotCzarnyhow much it was?13:58
klydrari paid ~120 usd13:58
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klydrarwhere can i find one less?13:59
KotCzarnyhere they are quite cheaper, but i guess in usa they are rare14:00
klydrarphysical keyboards on anything are very hard to find14:01
KotCzarnythere are bt adapters14:02
KotCzarnyif you have spare 1000usd you might be interested in neo90014:02
klydrari am interested in neo900, i was going to wait until they're available to order14:03
Wizzupso you are waiting for a possible 2nd run14:03
klydraralso, i wanted to hold an n900 to feel their inspiration, this phone is so comfortable14:03
KotCzarnywizzup: freenode disconnected you because ssl3?14:04
WizzupKotCzarny: I upgraded irssi to .2014:07
Wizzupand I tried /upgrade14:08
Wizzupbut as always, that didn't work14:08
Wizzupso I had to /quit and start it again14:08
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WizzupI tried /reconnect after /upgrade, but still no workie14:08
Wizzupso yeah14:08
klydraryeah i mean a neo900 is the optimal play, but i can handle dealing with the limited resources of n900 for now i'm thinking14:09
KotCzarnyklydrar: it all depends on what is your use case14:10
KotCzarnyit can phone/sms/mms, play media, do simple browsing, act like a linux box14:10
klydraryeah, it's all i need really14:11
klydrarnormally if i want something more i instead become content with having the basics14:12
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freemangordonPali: ping20:41
Palifreemangordon: pong20:41
freemangordonPali: hi! I am going to try to upgrade libglib2.0, however, it can't go in cssu, besides cssu-thumb (one of the dependencies won;t builg under gcc4.2)20:42
freemangordonand in the light of the merlin1991 being busy, I wonder if we can focus on cssu-thumb only :)20:42
KotCzarnyor make cssu-testing to build thumb too?20:43
KotCzarnywhich would result in one less tree to maintain20:44
freemangordonI know there is no cssu-thumb-testing, but I guess users will have to swallow the possibility of regressions20:44
freemangordonat least there will be something maintained20:44
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KotCzarnyie. when building cssu-testing would build cssu-testing-thumb in the same time20:45
freemangordonKotCzarny: won;t work20:45
freemangordonsee my note ^^^ for gcc requirement20:45
freemangordonPali: that way we can try to upgrade as much libs as possible to newer version as I feel most of the stuff will stop working sooner than later20:46
freemangordonesp security related20:47
KotCzarnymaybe compile -testing with 4.7 too?20:47
KotCzarnyshouldnt cause regressions20:47
freemangordonwhat is the point?20:47
freemangordonalso it *causes* regression, some of the packages in -thumb have fixes because of gcc20:48
KotCzarnythings applied to -thumb wont hurt -testing, but enhancements to -testing would automatically show in -thumb20:48
freemangordonKotCzarny: we don;t have maintainrship power to support -testing and -stable anymore, sorry20:49
KotCzarnyfmg, thats why the fewer trees, the better20:49
freemangordonit is not the trees, but the releases20:50
freemangordonalso, cssu build is not automated20:50
infobotKotCzarny meant: fmg, thats why the fewer releases, the better20:50
KotCzarnyeh, that came out wrong20:50
freemangordonso you don't just add a new target in the builder20:50
KotCzarnybut you see what i meant20:50
freemangordonKotCzarny: it needs time I don;t currently have20:51
freemangordonOnly I can do is to continue with cssu-thumb.20:52
KotCzarnyuhum, to be honest, i wonder if going thumb only wouldnt be better20:52
KotCzarnyits in the wild for quite some time20:53
KotCzarnyand there are no reports of things exploding20:53
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sixwheeledbeastwasn't there a reason for not being thumb only?21:38
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: well, the only problem is that it needs thumb kernel, however this is a problem for a kind of LTS like CSSU21:49
KotCzarnybackupmenu should detect situation when rootfs is thumb enabled and kernel is not21:51
freemangordonI guess this is problem of backupmenu, not cssu-thumb21:51
freemangordonKotCzarny: in the meantime, there are 2 packages in cssu-thumb glib needs - gmp and nettle :). I guess you can use those if you plan to play with newer glib21:52
KotCzarnymaybe i should add cssu-thumb as a package source in my chroot too21:53
freemangordonKotCzarny: "your chroot"?21:53
KotCzarnyyeah, i dont use scratchbox-on-x86, just 4core arm machine with a721:54
freemangordonoh, yes then21:54
freemangordonwhich compiler is that?21:55
KotCzarnythe ones available in sb repos and/or cssu21:55
freemangordonwell, you'll need gcc472 then as well21:55
KotCzarnycurrently 4.2.121:55
infobotrumour has it, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or, or
KotCzarnybut i switch them on the needs21:56
KotCzarnybut that toolchain is for x86 afair21:56
freemangordonthis is for SB ofc, but I guess you'll manage to reuse it21:56
KotCzarnyno worries, i had 4.7 somewhere i think21:56
KotCzarnywouldnt mind having native 4.9 or higher in repos ;)21:58
KotCzarny[root@n900chr 18:58:49 /1/_src/gcc-5.3/bin]# ./gcc -v21:58
KotCzarnygcc version 5.3.0 (GCC)21:59
freemangordonshould suffice :)21:59
KotCzarnycompiling locally is not a problem, but having properly packaged one wouldnt be bad21:59
KotCzarnyeven for ondevice devel21:59
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