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| L29Ah | Wizzup: publish your gentoo-on-n900 accomplishments plz | 02:42 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 08:57 |
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| KotCzarny | wiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 8 września 2016 16:16. | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | who is web admin? | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | xes, ^^^ | 10:31 |
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| xes | KotCzarny: ok | 10:43 |
| Wizzup | L29Ah: yeah, sorry, life been busy. let me note that and do it soon | 10:59 |
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| xes | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2470429/samsung-to-remotely-deactivate-galaxy-note-7-handsets-after-six-year-old-injured | 15:02 |
| xes | remotely deactivate.. great feature | 15:03 |
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| sicelo | yes, saw that yesterday .. backdoors | 15:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 15:25 |
| KotCzarny | its not a backdoor, its a feature | 15:25 |
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| ceene | one does not know which of both features is worse... either the exploding phone or the remotely deactivated one | 15:52 |
| ceene | i guess the remotely exploding phone would be the funniest | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | both are kinda destructive | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | you think? | 15:53 |
| ceene | for some meaning of "funniest", of course | 15:53 |
| sicelo | i didn't follow the news too well .. the explision is battery, i suppose? | 15:56 |
| sicelo | so if i'm tech savvy enough to open up the phone and change battery or whatever is neeeded, .. now have to deal with their remote-locking .. grr | 15:57 |
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| L29Ah | neo900 needs such a feature | 16:22 |
| CatButts | yeah, remote self-destruction | 16:23 |
| _maniac_ | jokes aside, I would love some way of remotely tracking my phone if it were stolen | 16:28 |
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| sicelo | _maniac_: smscon .. | 16:43 |
| sicelo | you can program anything you want for that | 16:43 |
| sicelo | L29Ah, CatButts ^^ | 16:43 |
| L29Ah | i don't have a sysfs entry for the battery explosion :( | 16:44 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, can battery chip be misprogrammed to NOT to safeguard the charging? | 17:23 |
| KotCzarny | ie. is it possible to overcharge the battery? | 17:24 |
| Hurrian | L29Ah: install kernel-cssu v666 to enable /sys/class/power_supply/battery/self_destruct ;) | 17:25 |
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| sicelo | KotCzarny: likely not .. i think it's part of the design of that chip .. could be wrong however .. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((remotely deactivated one)) prety nice evidence why you do NOT want OTA updtae of modem firmware and a modem that has full DOM0 on your device | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no such feature in Neo900, by design | 18:04 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: another reason to steer well clear of Qualcomm phones | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | snapdragon, yes | 18:05 |
| Hurrian | the alternative SoCs usually use HSI, which is pretty much chip-to-chip USB | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, dunno. Samsung Exynos is also modem-on-chip SoC | 18:08 |
| Hurrian | they integrated the Shannon now? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought so | 18:09 |
| Hurrian | my Note 4 N910C has a ST-Ericsson Thor connected via HSI | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the novathor used shared RAM | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note4 used early Thor | 18:10 |
| Hurrian | welp, looks like everyone's moving to the lazy option | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheaper option | 18:11 |
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| Hurrian | i don't blame them, bringup on HSI modems suuuuucks | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I know _for sure_ about Thor, I debugged the chip at ST-E | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Radium, Thorium etc | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HSI sucked donkey balls on OMAP4 | 18:12 |
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| Hurrian | sure doesn't help that it's next to impossible to buy the non-modem version of chips | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP4 losing wake-IRQ from HSI - doooooom | 18:14 |
| Hurrian | :o | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and all customers bashed ST-E why the modem blows chunks after a while | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while with lots of tricking and icky soldering and waiting we finally could show modem asserted HSI IRQ but OMAP didn't ever service it | 18:16 |
| Hurrian | did you have to run out the traces for scoping on a customer board? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TI: WONTFIX for omap4 | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sort of, yes | 18:17 |
| Hurrian | not surprised at all from TI, they kinda gave up on chips shortly after OMAP4 | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | workarround: modem wiggles HSI IRQ so eventually OMAP4 notices it | 18:18 |
| xy2_ | is an n900 good? looking for a new phone | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet you can find 50% of users in here say "best phone ever, still" | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV though, depends on your needs | 18:20 |
| Hurrian | ...though tbh, it's not the N900's hardware that make it the best I've ever used, it's the software ;) | 18:20 |
| xy2_ | just want an easily 'hackable' phone | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you found it | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo5 you can hack till you're blue in the face | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many nice features other phones don't have or onöy provide in friggin apps are only a 3 or 4 lines of python code away on N900 | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dbus-scripting | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 18:23 |
| infobot | it has been said that phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however what you won't find: any of those dang closed blob free social apps, like whatsapp | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "free" | 18:24 |
| xy2_ | don't care for that :P | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, you will be *amazed* how you survived on any other phone so long | 18:24 |
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| xy2_ | alright, ty | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> ssh root@t900 | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) built-in shell (ash) | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 18:09:39 up 140 days, 13:54, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (MB I got properly set up PKI infra, so no password asked) | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB even | 18:27 |
| _maniac_ | just curious, why PKI instead of simply having your ssh keys in agent (for purpose of not typing password when ssh'ing) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/67210088 | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's what I meant | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, caffeine deficit | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/30793864 | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/42351754 | 18:37 |
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| KotCzarny | xy2_: n900 is quite plain linux system | 18:54 |
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| sicelo | KotCzarny: want to recommend best python tutorial that will scale well to N900 use? :) | 19:21 |
| * CatButts perks ears | 19:21 | |
| CatButts | we have 3.4, yes? | 19:21 |
| sicelo | we seem to | 19:22 |
| sicelo | dunno if anything uses it | 19:22 |
| CatButts | depends on watcha want to do, sicelo | 19:22 |
| CatButts | do you want to display crud on screen? | 19:22 |
| CatButts | do you need to use lotsa memory? | 19:23 |
| sicelo | i meant .. if we already have applications using it .. just checked .. pastebinit does | 19:23 |
| CatButts | do you output sound? | 19:23 |
| sicelo | i am not a dev at all .. want to learn. i think python is a simpler start for someone with limited time, no organized lessons .. | 19:24 |
| sicelo | CatButts: ^ | 19:25 |
| CatButts | well, I make scripts for stuff I want done | 19:26 |
| CatButts | maybe I want to make a scraper for certain site | 19:26 |
| CatButts | or maybe I make http uploader with usernames | 19:26 |
| CatButts | or an IRC bot | 19:26 |
| CatButts | personally, I loathe tutorials | 19:27 |
| CatButts | and just go do what I need done | 19:27 |
| CatButts | but you may be different mindset | 19:27 |
| CatButts | in which case, I have no tut I can reccomend you | 19:27 |
| CatButts | I literally google the functions I need | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: you can simply read /opt/oscp/bin/oscp-remote.py | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | it covers most of the things needed to write an app on n900 | 19:28 |
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| KotCzarny | from init, through popups, config, logic, etc | 19:29 |
| sicelo | okay. will look at that. thanks :) | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | it might not be the prettiest, but most of python is self explaining anyway | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | and indentation is required by language itself | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | also, you mean pygtk, because python dont know about ui toolkits | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | so for console apps python is enough, to display window and react to clicks, pygtk/pyqt is required | 19:31 |
| sicelo | between pygtk/qt .. which one would you recommend the most? | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | i hate qt personally, but that's up to personal preference | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | (most of the hate comes from the size and c++ affinity of qt) | 19:33 |
| CatButts | I suppose my python pc console scripts will work out of the box with required dependencies installed | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | and incompatibilities between versions | 19:33 |
| sicelo | i seem to have convinced myself years ago that there is more GTK than QT on N900 .. so pygtk does sound the better option | 19:34 |
| sicelo | (i could be wrong ..) | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, its personal preference, start with basics, then check what suits you better | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | if you look at .py programs, first function that executes is the __main__ at the bottom usually | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | (or was it __init__) | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | then you can just trace the functions flow | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | creation/registeration of buttons and events etc | 19:36 |
| sicelo | i have two ideas of applications (that will not be of use to anyone else however, lol) .. both will need sqlite integration, and one needs network too. guess i start with the one that doesn't | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | i think python has sqlite modules | 19:37 |
| sicelo | yes, it does. tbh, i want to kick myself for not learning earlier | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | i know the pain (so many things i could've done in 2010 ;) | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | but im happy that i've done them anyway, even if it took me 6 years | 19:38 |
| sicelo | i don't think it's naive to think that if i manage to get the applications the way i want them, they should run reasonably well on my linux pc as well? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | there might be some minor glitches, but yes | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | your might concern might be jump between python 2.7 to python 3.4 (and pygtk with similar major version jump) | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | still, oscp-remote.py works everywhere there is pygtk | 19:41 |
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