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L29AhWizzup: publish your gentoo-on-n900 accomplishments plz02:42
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zGrrmoin :)08:57
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KotCzarnywho is web admin?10:27
KotCzarnyxes, ^^^10:31
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xesKotCzarny: ok10:43
WizzupL29Ah: yeah, sorry, life been busy. let me note that and do it soon10:59
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xesremotely deactivate.. great feature15:03
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siceloyes, saw that yesterday .. backdoors15:07
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KotCzarnyits not a backdoor, its a feature15:25
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ceeneone does not know which of both features is worse... either the exploding phone or the remotely deactivated one15:52
ceenei guess the remotely exploding phone would be the funniest15:53
KotCzarnyboth are kinda destructive15:53
KotCzarnyyou think?15:53
ceenefor some meaning of "funniest", of course15:53
siceloi didn't follow the news too well .. the explision is battery, i suppose?15:56
siceloso if i'm tech savvy enough to open up the phone and change battery or whatever is neeeded, .. now have to deal with their remote-locking .. grr15:57
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L29Ahneo900 needs such a feature16:22
CatButtsyeah, remote self-destruction16:23
_maniac_jokes aside, I would love some way of remotely tracking my phone if it were stolen16:28
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sicelo_maniac_: smscon ..16:43
siceloyou can program anything you want for that16:43
siceloL29Ah, CatButts ^^16:43
L29Ahi don't have a sysfs entry for the battery explosion :(16:44
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KotCzarnyhmm, can battery chip be misprogrammed to NOT to safeguard the charging?17:23
KotCzarnyie. is it possible to overcharge the battery?17:24
HurrianL29Ah: install kernel-cssu v666 to enable /sys/class/power_supply/battery/self_destruct ;)17:25
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siceloKotCzarny: likely not .. i think it's part of the design of that chip .. could be wrong however ..17:41
DocScrutinizer05((remotely deactivated one)) prety nice evidence why you do NOT want OTA updtae of modem firmware and a modem that has full DOM0 on your device18:03
DocScrutinizer05and no such feature in Neo900, by design18:04
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: another reason to steer well clear of Qualcomm phones18:05
DocScrutinizer05snapdragon, yes18:05
Hurrianthe alternative SoCs usually use HSI, which is pretty much chip-to-chip USB18:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm, dunno. Samsung Exynos is also modem-on-chip SoC18:08
Hurrianthey integrated the Shannon now?18:09
DocScrutinizer05thought so18:09
Hurrianmy Note 4 N910C has a ST-Ericsson Thor connected via HSI18:09
DocScrutinizer05the novathor used shared RAM18:10
DocScrutinizer05note4 used early Thor18:10
Hurrianwelp, looks like everyone's moving to the lazy option18:11
DocScrutinizer05cheaper option18:11
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Hurriani don't blame them, bringup on HSI modems suuuuucks18:11
DocScrutinizer05and I know _for sure_ about Thor, I debugged the chip at ST-E18:11
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DocScrutinizer05Radium, Thorium etc18:12
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DocScrutinizer05HSI sucked donkey balls on OMAP418:12
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Hurriansure doesn't help that it's next to impossible to buy the non-modem version of chips18:13
DocScrutinizer05OMAP4 losing wake-IRQ from HSI - doooooom18:14
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DocScrutinizer05and all customers bashed ST-E why the modem blows chunks after a while18:15
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DocScrutinizer05while with lots of tricking and icky soldering and waiting we finally could show modem asserted HSI IRQ but OMAP didn't ever service it18:16
Hurriandid you have to run out the traces for scoping on a customer board?18:17
DocScrutinizer05TI: WONTFIX for omap418:17
DocScrutinizer05sort of, yes18:17
Hurriannot surprised at all from TI, they kinda gave up on chips shortly after OMAP418:18
DocScrutinizer05workarround: modem wiggles HSI IRQ so eventually OMAP4 notices it18:18
xy2_is an n900 good? looking for a new phone18:18
DocScrutinizer05I bet you can find 50% of users in here say "best phone ever, still"18:19
DocScrutinizer05YMMV though, depends on your needs18:20
Hurrian...though tbh, it's not the N900's hardware that make it the best I've ever used, it's the software ;)18:20
xy2_just want an easily 'hackable' phone18:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, you found it18:20
DocScrutinizer05on maemo5 you can hack till you're blue in the face18:21
DocScrutinizer05many nice features other phones don't have or onöy provide in friggin apps are only a 3 or 4 lines of python code away on N90018:22
infobotit has been said that phonecontrol is
DocScrutinizer05however what you won't find: any of those dang closed blob free social apps, like whatsapp18:24
xy2_don't care for that :P18:24
DocScrutinizer05good, you will be *amazed* how you survived on any other phone so long18:24
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xy2_alright, ty18:26
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> ssh root@t90018:26
DocScrutinizer05BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian built-in shell (ash)18:26
DocScrutinizer05Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.18:26
DocScrutinizer05t900:~# uptime18:26
DocScrutinizer05 18:09:39 up 140 days, 13:54, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.0018:26
DocScrutinizer05(MB I got properly set up PKI infra, so no password asked)18:27
DocScrutinizer05NB even18:27
_maniac_just curious, why PKI instead of simply having your ssh keys in agent (for purpose of not typing password when ssh'ing)18:28
DocScrutinizer05well, that's what I meant18:29
DocScrutinizer05sorry, caffeine deficit18:29
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KotCzarnyxy2_: n900 is quite plain linux system18:54
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siceloKotCzarny: want to recommend best python tutorial that will scale well to N900 use? :)19:21
* CatButts perks ears19:21
CatButtswe have 3.4, yes?19:21
sicelowe seem to19:22
sicelodunno if anything uses it19:22
CatButtsdepends on watcha want to do, sicelo19:22
CatButtsdo you want to display crud on screen?19:22
CatButtsdo you need to use lotsa memory?19:23
siceloi meant .. if we already have applications using it .. just checked .. pastebinit does19:23
CatButtsdo you output sound?19:23
siceloi am not a dev at all .. want to learn. i think python is a simpler start for someone with limited time, no organized lessons ..19:24
siceloCatButts: ^19:25
CatButtswell, I make scripts for stuff I want done19:26
CatButtsmaybe I want to make a scraper for certain site19:26
CatButtsor maybe I make http uploader with usernames19:26
CatButtsor an IRC bot19:26
CatButtspersonally, I loathe tutorials19:27
CatButtsand just go do what I need done19:27
CatButtsbut you may be different mindset19:27
CatButtsin which case, I have no tut I can reccomend you19:27
CatButtsI literally google the functions I need19:28
KotCzarnysicelo: you can simply read /opt/oscp/bin/oscp-remote.py19:28
KotCzarnyit covers most of the things needed to write an app on n90019:28
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KotCzarnyfrom init, through popups, config, logic, etc19:29
sicelookay. will look at that. thanks :)19:29
KotCzarnyit might not be the prettiest, but most of python is self explaining anyway19:30
KotCzarnyand indentation is required by language itself19:30
KotCzarnyalso, you mean pygtk, because python dont know about ui toolkits19:30
KotCzarnyso for console apps python is enough, to display window and react to clicks, pygtk/pyqt is required19:31
sicelobetween pygtk/qt .. which one would you recommend the most?19:31
KotCzarnyi hate qt personally, but that's up to personal preference19:32
KotCzarny(most of the hate comes from the size and c++ affinity of qt)19:33
CatButtsI suppose my python pc console scripts will work out of the box with required dependencies installed19:33
KotCzarnyand incompatibilities between versions19:33
siceloi seem to have convinced myself years ago that there is more GTK than QT on N900 .. so pygtk does sound the better option19:34
sicelo(i could be wrong ..)19:34
KotCzarnyas i said, its personal preference, start with basics, then check what suits you better19:34
KotCzarnyif you look at .py programs, first function that executes is the __main__ at the bottom usually19:35
KotCzarny(or was it __init__)19:35
KotCzarnythen you can just trace the functions flow19:35
KotCzarnycreation/registeration of buttons and events etc19:36
siceloi have two ideas of applications (that will not be of use to anyone else however, lol) .. both will need sqlite integration, and one needs network too. guess i start with the one that doesn't19:37
KotCzarnyi think python has sqlite modules19:37
siceloyes, it does. tbh, i want to kick myself for not learning earlier19:37
KotCzarnyi know the pain (so many things i could've done in 2010 ;)19:38
KotCzarnybut im happy that i've done them anyway, even if it took me 6 years19:38
siceloi don't think it's naive to think that if i manage to get the applications the way i want them, they should run reasonably well on my linux pc as well?19:39
KotCzarnythere might be some minor glitches, but yes19:40
KotCzarnyyour might concern might be jump between python 2.7 to python 3.4 (and pygtk with similar major version jump)19:41
KotCzarnystill, works everywhere there is pygtk19:41
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