| DocScrutinizer05 | a little trigger happy | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | obviously could use some configuration | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already taken care of | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't trigger flood when 2 nicks talk | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's pretty hard to decide | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, I address the bot via ~, and it's imposiible for sigyn to know this is a legitimate answer of the bot to something I said | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | still, its not flood spam | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a certain way it actually is | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | so if someone types same smiley 3 times its triggered? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't blame sigyn | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | or simple yes/no chat | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know details | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | unless it went wild on # repeated | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen people getting klined for posting "good moring" in 5 channels with sigyn | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | /wall is a bitch | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, e is taking care. Thanks e! | 00:05 |
| fishbulb | maemo.org is nothing to do with nokia right | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org just happens to be created by nokia | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | and then abandoned by it and lives as a community | 00:06 |
| fishbulb | cool, and with cssu I just use normal extras/testing/devel ? | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | you use only extras, testing is for specific people. and devel is very dangerous | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | or do I use fremantle-1.3 or what | 00:07 |
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| fishbulb | I never have devel enabled | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | you shouldnt enable testing neither | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | I've got one or two things, yappari mainly when it worked, and an IR remote thing | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | and a few other things that were only in devel | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | which repo do I use with cssu though | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 00:08 |
| infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | what do I put as the distribution | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | you dont. use cssu installer | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | it does work for you | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | this phone has cssu | 00:09 |
| fishbulb | so what do I put as the distribution? | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | open on a computer | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | or use wget -O- http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install | 00:10 |
| fishbulb | what is it? | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | but installer does few more things to repos | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | its just a text file | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | you broke your system, you can break it further | 00:11 |
| fishbulb | look man I just need to fill in the repos, I managed to assemble a new phone | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | see above | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb | 00:12 |
| infobot | fishbulb is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 | 00:12 |
| fishbulb | that's creepy and also depressing | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | also I did what you said | 00:13 |
| fishbulb | obviously I used backup menu to transfer the stuff onto this new phone, but the repos got deleted | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | by me, at some point | 00:14 |
| fishbulb | the line noise ones are fine, I need extras and extras testing, I'm not sure what to put in the "distribution" field | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you usually don't want extras-testing | 00:15 |
| fishbulb | no, not usually | 00:16 |
| fishbulb | rarely | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you *occasionally* and *temporarily* want extras-devel, for installing/updating packages that are not available in extras | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | i dare to say almost no one should use 'testing' | 00:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the only people who need extras-testing are package testers | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extras-testing is a subset of extras-devel and extras | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | it was meant for people doing tester's work | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the latter two are all you ever need from extras-* | 00:17 |
| fishbulb | this phone has cssu and power kernel, I just need to know what I put as the distribution | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | try fremantle | 00:18 |
| infobot | hmm... fishbulb is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 | 00:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fremantle? | 00:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that is the distribution after all | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, usually fremantle is fine where it is needed (some repos need / though) | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are one-click .install files for every repo afaik | 00:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ./ is in SSU repos IIRC | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:20 |
| fishbulb | what? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: use one-click repo .install files | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~extras | 00:21 |
| infobot | well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 00:21 |
| fishbulb | I like using faster application manager because it's faster | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are meade to avoid such trouble like "which distro?" | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fam | 00:21 |
| infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam | 00:21 |
| fishbulb | you say this like it's something I should already know | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | FYI speedyham is now in all versions of CSSU as of latest stable | 00:22 |
| fishbulb | ok maybe I should upgrade cssu or something? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fishbulb | 00:23 |
| infobot | fishbulb is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 | 00:23 |
| fishbulb | this is probably the last n900 I can cobble together | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: would you pretty please bother to *read* the info this URL points to? | 00:24 |
| fishbulb | what info | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the info this URL points to | 00:25 |
| fishbulb | sixwheeledbeast what do you mean "as of latest stable" ? when was the last latest stable? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 00:26 |
| infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | CSSU Stable Smaemo8 10th Jun 2016 | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Changelog to answer that question (however I wonder of which relevance it is) | 00:27 |
| fishbulb | how do I find out which version I'm running? it was whatever was latest last time I checked | 00:27 |
| fishbulb | ok that is much later than whatever this phone is running | 00:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | About Community SSU in Setting panel | 00:27 |
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| fishbulb | 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 stable | 00:28 |
| fishbulb | oh my god that was a long time ago | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only one increment away from Smaemo8 | 00:29 |
| fishbulb | so I should upgrade it? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it seems you nuked all your repos, I guess you rather go for a fresh install | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 | 00:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "Since the release of the stable branch CSSU-S is meant to be the LongTermSupport hotspot for all N900 users/owners. " | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 00:31 |
| infobot | lazyflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 00:32 |
| infobot | jrrepos is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 00:32 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 00:32 |
| fishbulb | I have the line noise ones | 00:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If it doesn't offer to upgrade to Smaemo8 then something is wrong as above. | 00:32 |
| fishbulb | what other ones do I need | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 00:32 |
| infobot | [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 00:32 |
| fishbulb | I need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YOU are the one asking how to do stuff right | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YOU nuked all your repos | 00:33 |
| fishbulb | you're creating a really nice environment here | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's actually you | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're asking the same wrong questions about repos sine a week already, every day | 00:34 |
| fishbulb | guess what will happen ONCE THEY ARE ANSWERED | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | they were. | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | multiple times | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point is THEY GOT ANSWERED way too often already | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | same question == same answer | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when we answer them you go like [2016-08-15 Mon 23:32:53] <fishbulb> I need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed | 00:36 |
| fishbulb | you're telling me to format my phone | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since you nuked it | 00:37 |
| fishbulb | I need the information on it | 00:37 |
| fishbulb | calendar texts and calls, and mms, and other stuff | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the info will persist as long as you only flash COMBINED but not VANILLA | 00:37 |
| fishbulb | 7 years of stuff | 00:37 |
| fishbulb | I don't know what either of those are | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however I *strongly* suggest to create a set of backups (both osso-backup and NM) before you do | 00:38 |
| fishbulb | using backupmenu | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to create a decent backup you need a uSD | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/NM/BM/ | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((I don't know what either of those are)) read!!: | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 00:40 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 00:40 |
| fishbulb | what are you saying to flash | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's explained in lovingly epic length there | 00:40 |
| fishbulb | I'm making a backup now | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do backup with BM *and* genuine osso-backup | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is an app that ships with every maemo | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then do ~lazyflashing | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then... oh no I'm supposed to >>stop just spamming these links<< | 00:42 |
| fishbulb | you think reflashing the phone will be easier than typing the repos in? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and anyway I said that in http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-08-12.log.html#t2016-08-12T19:22:18 already | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | yes, since all information you need is on ~maemo-repos factoid | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | and for cssu repos i've pasted you the link to installer containing cssu infos | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | you ignored them both | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | given the unknown degree of messing up we need to deal with on your phone, a clean fresh install will probbaly be in order | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the correct sequence to install a phone has been given to you several times now | 00:45 |
| fishbulb | I need to keep my calls texts mms calendar appointments and contacts, and other info | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all those info get backed up by osso-backup in a very convenient way | 00:45 |
| fishbulb | and the programs? | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BackupMenu does a *complete* backup that's more comprehensive but also less convenient to extract particular data from | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the programs are a list of install instructions in osso-backup. VM backs them up completely | 00:47 |
| fishbulb | which is why I'm reluctant to flash the whole phone just to get the repos | 00:47 |
| fishbulb | I had to know which would work wth cssu | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything works with CSSU | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is just an update repo on top of the basic repos | 00:48 |
| fishbulb | I've done the backup, I think I'll just upgrade to the new stable | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you *could* try to re-add the CSSU repo then | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or better yet, simply install CSSU anew | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It should 'just work' | 00:50 |
| fishbulb | I need all the stuff like I mentioned before | 00:51 |
| fishbulb | what's speedyham, because ham is absolutely not speedy | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you will run into trouble when you messed up your repos, also when you used fapman too much, or did any other stuff that's known to destroy maemo | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham | 00:52 |
| infobot | SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now | 00:52 |
| fishbulb | so speedyham is in the latest stable then? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal speedyham | 00:52 |
| infobot | "speedyham" is "<reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now" | 00:52 |
| fishbulb | I have the linenoise mirrors | 00:52 |
| fishbulb | what do I do to install the new cssu stable, I don't want to wreck this | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, speedyham is <reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb. SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now | 00:53 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fishbulb: go to ~cssu website, click "install" | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you decided we might be right and it's wiser to do a xomplete fresh install of everything | 00:54 |
| fishbulb | I don't know you seem irate | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tad, yes | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, seems you feel uncomfortable with a fresh install, so go for CSSU install | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but first check your repos | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need muarf or linenoise, and extras, and possibly tools which comes automatically with BM one-click install | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU repo gets added by CSSU install procedure | 00:57 |
| fishbulb | I did the bm one click install and those repos weren't added | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 00:57 |
| fishbulb | if I wanted to do a fresh install what would I do | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you make a set of backups to a uSD(!) card, then you do ~lazyflashing, then ~jrrepos, then ~bm, then ~cssu | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you restore your data | 00:58 |
| fishbulb | I used your script for the last time I freshly installed anything | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from osso-backup | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | and ossobackup comes from where though | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it comes with every maemo | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | called "backup" | 00:59 |
| fishbulb | I made the backups with BM already | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in your app icons | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want a osso-backup TOO | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | I've never used it before | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it's about time | 01:00 |
| fishbulb | ok seems like I used it twice before | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's specialized to backup your data | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however neither BM nor osoo-backup do a backup of your 28GB directory that's exported via USB as a storage device!!! | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any photos and music there needs manual backup | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | his usb is broken | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know | 01:03 |
| fishbulb | I told you I took apart 3 broken phones and put a new one together | 01:03 |
| fishbulb | this is the last one I have | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to copy any stuff from there to your uSD manually, using file manager or console command | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | i would say to use tinysmb, but it would confuse him more | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's avoid this | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention doing it over wifi might be a pain | 01:04 |
| fishbulb | it's plugged into the usb right now, this is the last working phone I've been able to make | 01:04 |
| fishbulb | ok lets' avoid this, I'm installing cssu from the website | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing CSSU is safe | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least from histroical evidence | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you did a backup, so you're fine | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually check your repo list - should look similar to mine, except maybe community-stable or the like instead community-testing, and fremantle vs fremantle1.3 | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway those are 4 repos that should show up there after CSSU install, maybe slighty different names | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're NOT supposed to edit that file directly, rather use hildon application manager "cataloggs" to edit them | 01:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is out for a dinner | 01:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I repeat: editing that file directly is *dangerous* since there are other files too which need to be in sync with this one | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use HAM "catalogs" to edit | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the file /etc/apt/sources.list is *empty* | 01:17 |
| fishbulb | you said the repos would be updated, no new ones were added | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/nazo | 01:20 |
| fishbulb | ok they're greyed out, I'l figure out whch ones match | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it sucks the names shown in HAM do not necessarily match the URLs in ^^^ | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the grayed out ones are disabled | 01:21 |
| fishbulb | thanks for the help, I would like to get PAN working but typng out everything on the tiny keyboard is very annoying | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | red ones are defect and should get disabled too, usually those are the original nokia repos | 01:21 |
| fishbulb | is this automatically speedyham? it doesn't seem that much faster | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for today getting your repo issue sorted and updating to CSSU Smaemo8 seems like enough for one day :-) | 01:23 |
| fishbulb | I have another 12 hours before I can sleep | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you start the CSSU app after running install from the CSSU web site? | 01:24 |
| fishbulb | it's all installed | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked if you started the icon | 01:24 |
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| fishbulb | I pressed a few thngs until it said "operating system sucessfully installed" | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 7. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. | 01:26 |
| fishbulb | eventually it said operating system successfuly updated | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8. HAM will re-open and present you the real thing: a system upgrade called Maemo 5 Community SSU - probably you want to install it ;-D. This will take a while. Once installed, your device will reboot "into" CSSU. | 01:26 |
| fishbulb | ok I said what the last thing that happened was | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't answer my question and thus I'm out now, for good | 01:27 |
| fishbulb | go and eat | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't expect people helping you when you decide which questions to answer in which way | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's YOU to ask for help, and the ones trying to help you are asking questions for a reason, and they ask those questions since they know the answer is needed to understand what you did | 01:31 |
| fishbulb | I pressed everything until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release | 01:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 01:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you DO NOt WANT to answer a question, eh? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "..I pressed everything..." OMG | 01:38 |
| fishbulb | it's upgraded | 01:38 |
| fishbulb | that is the answer, it is upgraded | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you know everything then PLEASE don't pester us to help you | 01:39 |
| fishbulb | it has finished installing | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | STFU! | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM! | 01:39 |
| fishbulb | no this is important information that you're gettng relaly angry about | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 01:40 |
| infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | doc, you have OCD, dont you? | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. cant leave when there is question not answered, issue not finished) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:40 |
| fishbulb | go and take some fucking xanax or something | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but this is finished now, fishbulb has given sufficient proof the he(?) is not willing to cooperate, neither to RTFM | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thAT'S IT NOW | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he been a tad faster than me | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pindering a +q ban | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | you should chill | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | and go already | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insult as "thank you" for a 2h of help | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | idiot | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does he really expect I redo a CSSU install to know when his friggin >>it shown "OS installed<<" shows up | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | his refusal to answer my questin is evidence he has NFC if he clicked the CSSU installer icon or not, so I'm pretty sure he didn't | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | common mistake, but Mr smartass fishbulb knows everything better | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the "it finished installation" is a proof it didn't. Otherwise he had said "it finished BOTH installations steps" | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf of the week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release | 01:54 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf-of-the-week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release | 01:54 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I gave every apt command I found, until it said "kernel updated" so I assume it installed that devuan distro now<< | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when there's a fine terse 9 points instruction manual (http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation), why the heck can't people simply follow it step by step and then answer a simple question regarding the process? | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: >>Login error There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again.<< | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: repeatable | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: solving the damn math 'captcha' doesn't allow saving the edited wiki page either, kicks me back to same edit page with a new math to solve | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: warfare: ^^^ | 02:11 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sounds like something wrong with your browser cache/cookies | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, checing it, it creates a new session-end cookie each time I click on back in browser | 02:19 |
| chem|st | just was told a week ago "you have to use IE to use this website properly" my response was plain wtf | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas I accidentally deleted *all* my cookies now, so I have way harder trouble that that wiki.m.o thing now | 02:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sry no idea about wiki captcha, talk is just a google plugin, if that does not work it is your browser not liking content from another domain than tmo or something | 02:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: when deleting your cookies puts you into trouble, there is something wrong... | 02:21 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: but eekelund has issue with wiki too... | 02:22 |
| chem|st | maybe db is stalling again, do you get the same session id always? | 02:22 |
| chem|st | then it might be stuck | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you don't consider deleting a bazillion config cookies a problem, then it probably isn't | 02:23 |
| chem|st | I don't | 02:23 |
| chem|st | cookies are like cache | 02:23 |
| chem|st | cache is like tmp and tmp is like /dev/null | 02:24 |
| chem|st | lets wait for xes or warfare to have a look | 02:25 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 curses konqueror "delete all" button in cookies management, and snapper for it being unbearably stupid to build a diff of whole volumes when you want to recover just one single file | 02:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all cheers to btrfs though! and mc: /home/.snapshots/1393/snapshot/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, snapper my ass - take 2h for a silly >> snapper -c home diff 1392..1394 /home/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: how/where would I find session number? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | session id that is | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in firefox I see same effect/issue, and the only wiki.maemo.org cookie mediawiki_mw__session has a different content than before in konqueror | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re cookies: www.heavens-above.com "" "/" 1497924146 0 preferences 4 satMagLimit=3.0 | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus a 140kB more of that | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you can delete all that any time, 'just' a question of convenience | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the nasty stuff right now is: KDE has some process in all running browser windows that rewrites the ~/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies file each time I open a page which sets cookies, so no matter how often I cp or cat > the file, it always gets deleted again :-(( | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lsof fails, many many thanks to friggin systemd http://paste.opensuse.org/86306736 | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in case you wonder about those friggin cookies: kcookiejar4 --shutdown did the trick, now all cookies show up in a newly opened konqueror again | 03:32 |
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| warfare | wiki issue should be fixed now. Disk ran full, strangely no icinga alert. | 09:54 |
| chem|st | warfare: ta | 09:57 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: freaking systemd? freaking kde! | 09:58 |
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| sicelo | :p | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? how has >>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() cgroup file system /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd<< to do with KDE? | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: thanks a lot | 11:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I could have said "friggin cgroups" but cgroups would be fine if not fubared by systemd | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE definitely unrelated | 11:09 |
| enyc | ;p | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I wouldn't argue which is worse, KDE or systemd | 11:11 |
| enyc | ;p | 11:11 |
| enyc | use Devuan and MATE instead ? ;-) | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | migration is what stopped me from doing so | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it wasn't for avoiding migration effort, I had abandoned KDE with the advent of KDE4 | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actaully that would have been the better choice, rather than migrating kde3->kde4 | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's stuff like windows-hotkeys that *still* doesn't work yet in kde4 like it did in kde3 | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in kde3 I had my kmail on meta+M. In kde4 this works antil next X11 restart or dunno when it silently forgets that stuff | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until* | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually faster forgotten than by X11 restart, the latter only happens 3 times a year, but kde forgets windows-hotkeys after a few days | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe on app restart, read: window close | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe that isn't *meant* to be persistent across window-close and re-open ;-P | 11:22 |
| chem|st | such first-world-problems | 11:41 |
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| KotCzarny | seriously, using inferior clunky programs and complaining here? | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | that rand should go to #kde | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | *rant | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | not to mention systemd, you know that in a few updates you might be forced to REINSTALL os because there would be no other easy way to fuck off the systemd out of the system? | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | on a lighter note, oscp just got adplug tunes support. they sound sooo sweet | 11:52 |
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| zGrr | yeah, systemd. i am seriously considering to migrate my desktop back to FreeBSD | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, just use slackware/gentoo/devuan | 12:12 |
| zGrr | i do not like slackware. | 12:13 |
| zGrr | gentoo maybe. | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | depending what's your favourite os handling way | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | slack is for hardcores, gentoo is for 'recompile everything' people, and devuan is your usual 'just make it easy, but we cant promise you wont be f*cked up by dependencies' folks | 12:14 |
| Wizzup | recompile everything luckily doesn't take any of my time :) | 12:14 |
| Wizzup | only cpu time | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, its a nice way to use custom gcc flags | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | or config options | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | though slack is very close to it too | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | Nobody in their right mind does that (custom gcc flags) | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | stop reading funroll-loops.info ;-) | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | pah, missed opportunity | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:15 |
| Wizzup | you get the freedom to do it, doesn't mean it's stupid | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | yes, that's what i had in mind when describing as 'recompile everything' | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | but one usually gets around just recompiling glibc, as its mostly used bunch of calls | 12:17 |
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| jonwil | hi | 12:21 |
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| Wizzup | hello jonwil | 12:24 |
| jonwil | My god reverse engineering weird audio codecs is a nightmare :( | 12:27 |
| Wizzup | you're working on the PA stuff? | 12:29 |
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| jonwil | No, its not N900 related :P | 12:30 |
| jonwil | Its a funky audio codec from a game :) | 12:30 |
| Wizzup | :) | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | thats why RE is also funky | 12:31 |
| jonwil | Anything involving MPEG stuff automatically qualifies as "funky" | 12:31 |
| bencoh | nah :) | 12:31 |
| bencoh | not that much | 12:31 |
| bencoh | (well, agreed, a bit :p) | 12:32 |
| jonwil | The format I am working on is a format that's similar to MP3 but its not MP3 | 12:32 |
| jonwil | so its based on MP3 | 12:32 |
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| Vajb | is anyone interested upgrading pidgin in maemo, so it would be possible to send files via xmmp? | 16:23 |
| sicelo | ping the maintainer on tmo .. he's very helpful usually | 16:42 |
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| bencoh | /66 | 16:44 |
| bencoh | woops | 16:44 |
| sicelo | bencoh: 666? :p | 16:45 |
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| bencoh | sicelo: I hope I'll never have that many irssi windows ;) | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | 66 chat windows? | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | madness! | 16:47 |
| * KotCzarny has 1 | 16:47 | |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: how many channels in that windows? | 16:49 |
| sicelo | *window ... <== KotCzarny | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | 4 | 16:49 |
| sicelo | i tried doing split windows in irssi ... concept is a little difficult :p | 16:54 |
| bencoh | split window is ... bleh | 16:54 |
| sicelo | it's only nice if the chat is fast in the channels and you want to keep track in realtime | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | i usually part busy channels when im done asking questions | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | and having everything rolling without the need to switch windows is nice | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | did i mantion that adlib modules sound sweet? | 17:00 |
| sicelo | yes, lol | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | they are the definition of electronic music | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | all synth | 17:01 |
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| KotCzarny | buzz, are you buzz-the-modland-admin? | 17:11 |
| buZz | no | 17:15 |
| buZz | at least , dont think so | 17:15 |
| buZz | KotCzarny: i'm easy to spot with the capitalization of first Z | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | is irc case sensitive? | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 17:16 |
| buZz | all good things in live are case sensitive | 17:28 |
| buZz | life* | 17:28 |
| buZz | modland.net -> search -> buzz -> 0 hits | 17:29 |
| buZz | http://www.modland.net/user/buzz/ <- 404 even | 17:29 |
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| bencoh | oh wow, I completely forgot about stable release from june <3 | 18:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I think I will be switching to Devuan and MATE upon a stable release. I'd prefer MATE over the current default XFCE. | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | beauty of the old setups is that you can mix and match different software | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | with systemd/gnome cancer its not the case anymore | 19:08 |
| L29Ah | systemd/gnome cancer ≠ new setups | 19:10 |
| L29Ah | there are several mainstream distros that provide you with either option | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: full ack, me too | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | MATE seems the obvious DE for long term Debian users IMO, unless they liked the look of GNOME3 | 19:29 |
| KotCzarny | gnome3 was more touch friendly, but ugly for mouse | 19:30 |
| bencoh | or you could just avoid using any DE :* | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | console is still DE :P | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | as ripped out walls are still walls | 19:31 |
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| zGrr | What touch friendliness is good for if you cant get Linux compatible touch devices anyway? | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | wishful thinking? cargo cult? | 19:50 |
| L29Ah | can't i? | 19:50 |
| L29Ah | i've seen several guys with touch displays on laptops and linux | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | seriously | 19:51 |
| zGrr | If you try REALLLLLY hard you can. | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | who uses that | 19:51 |
| L29Ah | this looked horribly unusable but they insist it's comfortable | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | it was only acceptable in convertible tablet/laptop configurations | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | (thinkpad x41t etc) | 19:52 |
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| zGrr | I think, those who introduced this shit into Linux world were just parroting Windows touch obsession, which obviously failed. | 19:53 |
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| KotCzarny | wasnt gnome windoze copycat since beginning? | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | but it was usable around gnome2 | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | gnome3 was utter shit | 19:53 |
| zGrr | So we are stucked to dysfunctional, unergonomic user interface. | 19:54 |
| KotCzarny | bring xeroxpark labs again into mainstream! | 19:54 |
| zGrr | actually i loved SunOS OpenLook. | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, you want which display ratio with that? ;) | 19:55 |
| zGrr | back in old days. | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | i like fluxbox, small, fast, functional | 19:55 |
| zGrr | they for whatever reason switched to ugly as shit CDE and Motif. | 19:55 |
| zGrr | I never liked Gnome. | 19:56 |
| zGrr | It was unstable at the beginning and ugly at the end. | 19:57 |
| zGrr | It is a shame to see that Linux has become, what it always hated. | 19:57 |
| zGrr | Bloated | 19:58 |
| zGrr | User unconfigurable. | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | mine still is | 19:58 |
| zGrr | and now, with systemd. | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | not mine. | 19:59 |
| zGrr | I don't even have enough spare time to resist. | 20:00 |
| zGrr | time to go home. | 20:02 |
| zGrr | bye | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, its quite easy | 20:02 |
| sicelo | kde5 *is* windows | 20:02 |
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| sicelo | i'm using it ... | 20:02 |
| sicelo | actually when i installed it, for a moment i had to be sure if i was still running linux, as the 'user' icon is exactly this one: http://www.troublefixers.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Interactive-logon-when-enabled.jpg | 20:05 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: was language is oscp written in? | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | c | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | root@opipc:/1/_src/oscp# cat *.c|wc -l | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | 59285 | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | almost 60k lines of code | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | probably twice-thrice as much after running through indent | 20:09 |
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| sicelo | re: kde - this is it! can't stand any more issues with failure to connect to wifi. so, removing kde5 | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | i got fed with all those wifi managers | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | and just wrote single script | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | that scans available networks, then just connects to one from predefined ones | 20:58 |
| sicelo | never had issue in gnome at all .. kde5 has some problem with losing passwords .. have to retype them | 20:58 |
| sicelo | i'll try MATE just now perhaps | 20:59 |
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| sicelo | tbh, kde is fine ... but this is too much | 20:59 |
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| fishbulb | how is the autocomplete edited? | 21:04 |
| fishbulb | "autocomplete editor" doesn't appear in the repos anymore | 21:04 |
| sicelo | complicated. use the application .. autocomp edit | 21:05 |
| sicelo | hmm, i installed it from them | 21:05 |
| fishbulb | it doesn't appear | 21:05 |
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| fishbulb | can you check which repo it's in? | 21:08 |
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| Sicelo009N | devel | 21:09 |
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| fishbulb | ok that's why | 21:10 |
| fishbulb | thanks | 21:10 |
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| fishbulb | unknown dictionary | 21:18 |
| fishbulb | an unknown dictionary ID has been found | 21:18 |
| fishbulb | I'm using english. | 21:19 |
| fishbulb | doesn't work with any version of english | 21:22 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe your version of maemo was pirated | 21:23 |
| fishbulb | ha: ha. | 21:24 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: /me likes, haha | 21:27 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, still want that igo stowaway kb? | 21:47 |
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| sicelo | KotCzarny: i am interested, sure | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | to which country would the package have to go? | 21:56 |
| KotCzarny | and what would be the cheapest option | 21:56 |
| sicelo | south africa. | 21:58 |
| sicelo | no idea about what options :-/ | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | do you have any trip plans to .eu or have someone who would do such trip? | 21:58 |
| sicelo | myself no. i will ask around | 21:59 |
| sicelo | where in EU are you btw? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | .pl | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | but any european address would do | 22:00 |
| sicelo | okay. will let you know | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | k | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | because i've found that kb and willing to send it | 22:00 |
| sicelo | :) | 22:05 |
| sicelo | i am sure i'll work something out | 22:05 |
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| KotCzarny | my local post carrier says ~15usd, so if you find anything cheaper, shout | 22:13 |
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| sicelo | that's for South Africa? | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | for pkg. when sending as 'letter' its ~3usd | 22:15 |
| sicelo | or EU? | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | for the whole africa | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | will probably get around and send it as regular letter | 22:17 |
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| KotCzarny | how big is the risk it will get missing on the way? | 22:17 |
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| sicelo | SA postal service has been rather bad for last few years sadly | 22:18 |
| sicelo | to the point that many international/online retailers no longer send items this way, lol | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | so it's either registered package or high risk of not reaching the destination | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:19 |
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| sicelo | unfortunately :( | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | let me know if you find anyone, otherwise i will send it via post | 22:22 |
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| sicelo | give me a couple of days. | 22:34 |
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