IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2016-08-16

DocScrutinizer05a little trigger happy00:00
KotCzarnyobviously could use some configuration00:00
DocScrutinizer05already taken care of00:00
KotCzarnyshouldn't trigger flood when 2 nicks talk00:00
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's pretty hard to decide00:01
DocScrutinizer05look, I address the bot via ~, and it's imposiible for sigyn to know this is a legitimate answer of the bot to something I said00:02
KotCzarnystill, its not flood spam00:03
DocScrutinizer05in a certain way it actually is00:03
KotCzarnyso if someone types same smiley 3 times its triggered?00:03
DocScrutinizer05I can't blame sigyn00:03
KotCzarnyor simple yes/no chat00:03
DocScrutinizer05I don't know details00:03
KotCzarnyunless it went wild on # repeated00:03
DocScrutinizer05I've seen people getting klined for posting "good moring" in 5 channels with sigyn00:04
KotCzarny /wall is a bitch00:05
DocScrutinizer05well, e is taking care. Thanks e!00:05 is nothing to do with nokia right00:05 just happens to be created by nokia00:05
KotCzarnyand then abandoned by it and lives as a community00:06
fishbulbcool, and with cssu I just use normal extras/testing/devel ?00:06
KotCzarnyyou use only extras, testing is for specific people. and devel is very dangerous00:07
fishbulbor do I use fremantle-1.3 or what00:07
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fishbulbI never have devel enabled00:07
KotCzarnyyou shouldnt enable testing neither00:07
fishbulbI've got one or two things, yappari mainly when it worked, and an IR remote thing00:07
fishbulband a few other things that were only in devel00:08
fishbulbwhich repo do I use with cssu though00:08
infoboti guess cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)00:08
fishbulbwhat do I put as the distribution00:08
KotCzarnyyou dont. use cssu installer00:08
KotCzarnyit does work for you00:08
fishbulbthis phone has cssu00:09
fishbulbso what do I put as the distribution?00:09
KotCzarnyopen on a computer00:10
KotCzarnyor use wget -O-
fishbulbwhat is it?00:10
KotCzarnybut installer does few more things to repos00:10
KotCzarnyits just a text file00:11
KotCzarnyyou broke your system, you can break it further00:11
fishbulblook man I just need to fill in the repos, I managed to assemble a new phone00:12
KotCzarnysee above00:12
infobotfishbulb is probably
fishbulbthat's creepy and also depressing00:13
fishbulbalso I did what you said00:13
fishbulbobviously I used backup menu to transfer the stuff onto this new phone, but the repos got deleted00:14
fishbulbby me, at some point00:14
fishbulbthe line noise ones are fine, I need extras and extras testing, I'm not sure what to put in the "distribution" field00:15
DocScrutinizer05you usually don't want extras-testing00:15
fishbulbno, not usually00:16
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DocScrutinizer05you *occasionally* and *temporarily* want extras-devel, for installing/updating packages that are not available in extras00:16
KotCzarnyi dare to say almost no one should use 'testing'00:17
sixwheeledbeastthe only people who need extras-testing are package testers00:17
DocScrutinizer05extras-testing is a subset of extras-devel and extras00:17
KotCzarnyit was meant for people doing tester's work00:17
DocScrutinizer05so the latter two are all you ever need from extras-*00:17
fishbulbthis phone has cssu and power kernel, I just need to know what I put as the distribution00:18
KotCzarnytry fremantle00:18
infobothmm... fishbulb is
sixwheeledbeastthat is the distribution after all00:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, usually fremantle is fine where it is needed (some repos need / though)00:19
DocScrutinizer05there are one-click .install files for every repo afaik00:20
sixwheeledbeast./ is in SSU repos IIRC00:20
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: use one-click repo .install files00:21
infobotwell, extras is
fishbulbI like using faster application manager because it's faster00:21
DocScrutinizer05they are meade to avoid such trouble like "which distro?"00:21
infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam00:21
fishbulbyou say this like it's something I should already know00:21
sixwheeledbeastFYI speedyham is now in all versions of CSSU as of latest stable00:22
fishbulbok maybe I should upgrade cssu or something?00:23
infobotfishbulb is, like,
fishbulbthis is probably the last n900 I can cobble together00:23
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: would you pretty please bother to *read* the info this URL points to?00:24
fishbulbwhat info00:25
DocScrutinizer05the info this URL points to00:25
fishbulbsixwheeledbeast what do you mean "as of latest stable" ? when was the last latest stable?00:25
infobotwell, cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)00:26
sixwheeledbeastCSSU Stable Smaemo8 10th Jun 201600:27
DocScrutinizer05particularly to answer that question (however I wonder of which relevance it is)00:27
fishbulbhow do I find out which version I'm running? it was whatever was latest last time I checked00:27
fishbulbok that is much later than whatever this phone is running00:27
sixwheeledbeastAbout Community SSU in Setting panel00:27
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fishbulb21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 stable00:28
fishbulboh my god that was a long time ago00:29
DocScrutinizer05only one increment away from Smaemo800:29
fishbulbso I should upgrade it?00:30
DocScrutinizer05though it seems you nuked all your repos, I guess you rather go for a fresh install00:30
sixwheeledbeast"Since the release of the stable branch CSSU-S is meant to be the LongTermSupport hotspot for all N900 users/owners. "00:30
infobotlazyflashing is, like,
infobotjrrepos is probably
infobotmethinks cssu is, or (Community Seamless Software Update)00:32
fishbulbI have the line noise ones00:32
sixwheeledbeastIf it doesn't offer to upgrade to Smaemo8 then something is wrong as above.00:32
fishbulbwhat other ones do I need00:32
infobot[backupmenu], or one-click install handling dependency issues:
fishbulbI need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed00:32
DocScrutinizer05YOU are the one asking how to do stuff right00:33
DocScrutinizer05YOU nuked all your repos00:33
fishbulbyou're creating a really nice environment here00:34
DocScrutinizer05no, that's actually you00:34
DocScrutinizer05you're asking the same wrong questions about repos sine a week already, every day00:34
fishbulbguess what will happen ONCE THEY ARE ANSWERED00:35
KotCzarnythey were.00:35
KotCzarnymultiple times00:35
DocScrutinizer05the point is THEY GOT ANSWERED way too often already00:35
KotCzarnysame question == same answer00:35
DocScrutinizer05and when we answer them you go like [2016-08-15 Mon 23:32:53] <fishbulb> I need the information on my phone, can you stop just spamming these links? I have all that installed00:36
fishbulbyou're telling me to format my phone00:36
DocScrutinizer05yes, since you nuked it00:37
fishbulbI need the information on it00:37
fishbulbcalendar texts and calls, and mms, and other stuff00:37
DocScrutinizer05the info will persist as long as you only flash COMBINED but not VANILLA00:37
fishbulb7 years of stuff00:37
fishbulbI don't know what either of those are00:38
DocScrutinizer05however I *strongly* suggest to create a set of backups (both osso-backup and NM) before you do00:38
fishbulbusing backupmenu00:39
DocScrutinizer05to create a decent backup you need a uSD00:39
DocScrutinizer05((I don't know what either of those are)) read!!:00:40
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing00:40
fishbulbwhat are you saying to flash00:40
DocScrutinizer05it's explained in lovingly epic length there00:40
fishbulbI'm making a backup now00:40
DocScrutinizer05do backup with BM *and* genuine osso-backup00:41
DocScrutinizer05the latter is an app that ships with every maemo00:41
DocScrutinizer05then do ~lazyflashing00:41
DocScrutinizer05then... oh no I'm supposed to >>stop just spamming these links<<00:42
fishbulbyou think reflashing the phone will be easier than typing the repos in?00:42
DocScrutinizer05and anyway I said that in already00:42
KotCzarnyyes, since all information you need is on ~maemo-repos factoid00:43
KotCzarnyand for cssu repos i've pasted you the link to installer containing cssu infos00:43
KotCzarnyyou ignored them both00:43
DocScrutinizer05given the unknown degree of messing up we need to deal with on your phone, a clean fresh install will probbaly be in order00:43
DocScrutinizer05the correct sequence to install a phone has been given to you several times now00:45
fishbulbI need to keep my calls texts mms calendar appointments and contacts, and other info00:45
DocScrutinizer05all those info get backed up by osso-backup in a very convenient way00:45
fishbulband the programs?00:46
DocScrutinizer05BackupMenu does a *complete* backup that's more comprehensive but also less convenient to extract particular data from00:46
DocScrutinizer05the programs are a list of install instructions in osso-backup. VM backs them up completely00:47
fishbulbwhich is why I'm reluctant to flash the whole phone just to get the repos00:47
fishbulbI had to know which would work wth cssu00:47
DocScrutinizer05everything works with CSSU00:48
DocScrutinizer05CSSU is just an update repo on top of the basic repos00:48
fishbulbI've done the backup, I think I'll just upgrade to the new stable00:50
DocScrutinizer05well, you *could* try to re-add the CSSU repo then00:50
DocScrutinizer05or better yet, simply install CSSU anew00:50
DocScrutinizer05It should 'just work'00:50
fishbulbI need all the stuff like I mentioned before00:51
fishbulbwhat's speedyham, because ham is absolutely not speedy00:52
DocScrutinizer05but you will run into trouble when you messed up your repos, also when you used fapman too much, or did any other stuff that's known to destroy maemo00:52
infobotSpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now00:52
fishbulbso speedyham is in the latest stable then?00:52
DocScrutinizer05~literal speedyham00:52
infobot"speedyham" is "<reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU-testing now"00:52
fishbulbI have the linenoise mirrors00:52
fishbulbwhat do I do to install the new cssu stable, I don't want to wreck this00:53
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, speedyham is <reply>SpeedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM  SpeedyHAM is included in CSSU now00:53
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0500:53
DocScrutinizer05fishbulb: go to ~cssu website, click "install"00:54
DocScrutinizer05unless you decided we might be right and it's wiser to do a xomplete fresh install of everything00:54
fishbulbI don't know you seem irate00:54
DocScrutinizer05a tad, yes00:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway, seems you feel uncomfortable with a fresh install, so go for CSSU install00:55
DocScrutinizer05but first check your repos00:56
DocScrutinizer05you need muarf or linenoise, and extras, and possibly tools which comes automatically with BM one-click install00:56
DocScrutinizer05CSSU repo gets added by CSSU install procedure00:57
fishbulbI did the bm one click install and those repos weren't added00:57
fishbulbif I wanted to do a fresh install what would I do00:57
DocScrutinizer05you make a set of backups to a uSD(!) card, then you do ~lazyflashing, then ~jrrepos, then ~bm, then ~cssu00:58
DocScrutinizer05then you restore your data00:58
fishbulbI used your script for the last time I freshly installed anything00:58
DocScrutinizer05from osso-backup00:59
fishbulband ossobackup comes from where though00:59
DocScrutinizer05it comes with every maemo00:59
DocScrutinizer05called "backup"00:59
fishbulbI made the backups with BM already01:00
DocScrutinizer05in your app icons01:00
DocScrutinizer05you want a osso-backup TOO01:00
fishbulbI've never used it before01:00
DocScrutinizer05then it's about time01:00
fishbulbok seems like I used it twice before01:01
DocScrutinizer05it's specialized to backup your data01:01
DocScrutinizer05however neither BM nor osoo-backup do a backup of your 28GB directory that's exported via USB as a storage device!!!01:02
DocScrutinizer05any photos and music there needs manual backup01:03
KotCzarnyhis usb is broken01:03
DocScrutinizer05I know01:03
fishbulbI told you I took apart 3 broken phones and put a new one together01:03
fishbulbthis is the last one I have01:03
DocScrutinizer05so you need to copy any stuff from there to your uSD manually, using file manager or console command01:03
KotCzarnyi would say to use tinysmb, but it would confuse him more01:03
DocScrutinizer05let's avoid this01:04
KotCzarnynot to mention doing it over wifi might be a pain01:04
fishbulbit's plugged into the usb right now, this is the last working phone I've been able to make01:04
fishbulbok lets' avoid this, I'm installing cssu from the website01:05
DocScrutinizer05installing CSSU is safe01:05
DocScrutinizer05at least from histroical evidence01:05
DocScrutinizer05and you did a backup, so you're fine01:06
DocScrutinizer05eventually check your repo list - should look similar to mine, except maybe community-stable or the like instead community-testing, and fremantle vs fremantle1.301:10
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list01:10
DocScrutinizer05deb fremantle free non-free01:10
DocScrutinizer05deb fremantle-1.3 free non-free01:10
DocScrutinizer05deb  ./01:11
DocScrutinizer05deb  ./01:11
DocScrutinizer05anyway those are 4 repos that should show up there after CSSU install, maybe slighty different names01:11
DocScrutinizer05you're NOT supposed to edit that file directly, rather use hildon application manager "cataloggs" to edit them01:12
* DocScrutinizer05 is out for a dinner01:13
DocScrutinizer05I repeat: editing that file directly is *dangerous* since there are other files too which need to be in sync with this one01:15
DocScrutinizer05use HAM "catalogs" to edit01:15
DocScrutinizer05the file /etc/apt/sources.list is *empty*01:17
fishbulbyou said the repos would be updated, no new ones were added01:18
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fishbulbok they're greyed out, I'l figure out whch ones match01:20
DocScrutinizer05it sucks the names shown in HAM do not necessarily match the URLs in ^^^01:21
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DocScrutinizer05the grayed out ones are disabled01:21
fishbulbthanks for the help, I would like to get PAN working but typng out everything on the tiny keyboard is very annoying01:21
DocScrutinizer05red ones are defect and should get disabled too, usually those are the original nokia repos01:21
fishbulbis this automatically speedyham? it doesn't seem that much faster01:22
DocScrutinizer05for today getting your repo issue sorted and updating to CSSU Smaemo8 seems like enough for one day :-)01:23
fishbulbI have another 12 hours before I can sleep01:23
DocScrutinizer05did you start the CSSU app after running install from the CSSU web site?01:24
fishbulbit's all installed01:24
DocScrutinizer05I asked if you started the icon01:24
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fishbulbI pressed a few thngs until it said "operating system sucessfully installed"01:25
DocScrutinizer057. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up.01:26
fishbulbeventually it said operating system successfuly updated01:26
DocScrutinizer058. HAM will re-open and present you the real thing: a system upgrade called Maemo 5 Community SSU - probably you want to install it ;-D. This will take a while. Once installed, your device will reboot "into" CSSU.01:26
fishbulbok I said what the last thing that happened was01:27
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't answer my question and thus I'm out now, for good01:27
fishbulbgo and eat01:28
DocScrutinizer05you can't expect people helping you when you decide which questions to answer in which way01:28
DocScrutinizer05it's YOU to ask for help, and the ones trying to help you are asking questions for a reason, and they ask those questions since they know the answer is needed to understand what you did01:31
fishbulbI pressed everything until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release01:34
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks01:37
DocScrutinizer05you DO NOt WANT to answer a question, eh?01:38
DocScrutinizer05"..I pressed everything..." OMG01:38
fishbulbit's upgraded01:38
fishbulbthat is the answer, it is upgraded01:39
DocScrutinizer05when you know everything then PLEASE don't pester us to help you01:39
fishbulbit has finished installing01:39
fishbulbno this is important information that you're gettng relaly angry about01:40
infobotfrom memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
KotCzarnydoc, you have OCD, dont you?01:40
KotCzarny(ie. cant leave when there is question not answered, issue not finished)01:40
fishbulbgo and take some fucking xanax or something01:41
DocScrutinizer05but this is finished now, fishbulb has given sufficient proof the he(?) is not willing to cooperate, neither to RTFM01:41
DocScrutinizer05thAT'S IT NOW01:41
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DocScrutinizer05he been a tad faster than me01:42
DocScrutinizer05pindering a +q ban01:42
KotCzarnyyou should chill01:42
KotCzarnyand go already01:43
DocScrutinizer05insult as "thank you" for a 2h of help01:43
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DocScrutinizer05does he really expect I redo a CSSU install to know when his friggin >>it shown "OS installed<<" shows up01:44
DocScrutinizer05his refusal to answer my questin is evidence he has NFC if he clicked the CSSU installer icon or not, so I'm pretty sure he didn't01:45
DocScrutinizer05common mistake, but Mr smartass fishbulb knows everything better01:46
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DocScrutinizer05actually the "it finished installation" is a proof it didn't. Otherwise he had said "it finished BOTH installations steps"01:51
DocScrutinizer05~wtf of the week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release01:54
infobotusage: wtf <foo>.01:54
DocScrutinizer05~wtf-of-the-week is [2016-08-16 Tue 00:34:18] <fishbulb> I **pressed everything** until cssu was installed and it said "operating system successfully installed" so I am assuming it is successfully upgraded to that recent stable release01:54
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0501:54
DocScrutinizer05>>I gave every apt command I found, until it said "kernel updated" so I assume it installed that devuan distro now<<01:57
DocScrutinizer05when there's a fine terse 9 points instruction manual (, why the heck can't people simply follow it step by step and then answer a simple question regarding the process?02:00
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: >>Login error There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again.<<02:07
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: repeatable02:08
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: solving the damn math 'captcha' doesn't allow saving the edited wiki page either, kicks me back to same edit page with a new math to solve02:11
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DocScrutinizer05xes: warfare: ^^^02:11
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: sounds like something wrong with your browser cache/cookies02:19
DocScrutinizer05yep, checing it, it creates a new session-end cookie each time I click on back in browser02:19
chem|stjust was told a week ago "you have to use IE to use this website properly" my response was plain wtf02:19
DocScrutinizer05alas I accidentally deleted *all* my cookies now, so I have way harder trouble that that wiki.m.o thing now02:20
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: sry no idea about wiki captcha, talk is just a google plugin, if that does not work it is your browser not liking content from another domain than tmo or something02:20
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: when deleting your cookies puts you into trouble, there is something wrong...02:21
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: but eekelund has issue with wiki too...02:22
chem|stmaybe db is stalling again, do you get the same session id always?02:22
chem|stthen it might be stuck02:22
DocScrutinizer05well, when you don't consider deleting a bazillion config cookies a problem, then it probably isn't02:23
chem|stI don't02:23
chem|stcookies are like cache02:23
chem|stcache is like tmp and tmp is like /dev/null02:24
chem|stlets wait for xes or warfare to have a look02:25
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* DocScrutinizer05 curses konqueror "delete all" button in cookies management, and snapper for it being unbearably stupid to build a diff of whole volumes when you want to recover just one single file02:38
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DocScrutinizer05all cheers to btrfs though! and mc:  /home/.snapshots/1393/snapshot/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar02:42
DocScrutinizer05honestly, snapper my ass - take 2h for a silly >> snapper -c home diff 1392..1394 /home/jr/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies02:43
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: how/where would I find session number?02:56
DocScrutinizer05session id that is02:56
DocScrutinizer05in firefox I see same effect/issue, and the only cookie mediawiki_mw__session has a different content than before in konqueror03:00
DocScrutinizer05re cookies: ""                   "/"          1497924146    0 preferences          4    satMagLimit=3.003:13
DocScrutinizer05plus a 140kB more of that03:13
DocScrutinizer05sure you can delete all that any time, 'just' a question of convenience03:14
DocScrutinizer05the nasty stuff right now is: KDE has some process in all running browser windows that rewrites the ~/.kde4/share/apps/kcookiejar/cookies file each time I open a page which sets cookies, so no matter how often I cp or cat > the file, it always gets deleted again :-((03:19
DocScrutinizer05I don't get it03:19
DocScrutinizer05lsof fails, many many thanks to friggin systemd
DocScrutinizer05in case you wonder about those friggin cookies: kcookiejar4 --shutdown did the trick, now all cookies show up in a newly opened konqueror again03:32
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warfarewiki issue should be fixed now. Disk ran full, strangely no icinga alert.09:54
chem|stwarfare: ta09:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: freaking systemd? freaking kde!09:58
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DocScrutinizer05huh? how has >>lsof: WARNING: can't stat() cgroup file system /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd<< to do with KDE?11:01
DocScrutinizer05warfare: thanks a lot11:05
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I could have said "friggin cgroups" but cgroups would be fine if not fubared by systemd11:08
DocScrutinizer05KDE definitely unrelated11:09
DocScrutinizer05though I wouldn't argue which is worse, KDE or systemd11:11
enycuse Devuan and MATE instead ? ;-)11:11
DocScrutinizer05migration is what stopped me from doing so11:15
DocScrutinizer05if it wasn't for avoiding migration effort, I had abandoned KDE with the advent of KDE411:16
DocScrutinizer05actaully that would have been the better choice, rather than migrating kde3->kde411:17
DocScrutinizer05there's stuff like windows-hotkeys that *still* doesn't work yet in kde4 like it did in kde311:19
DocScrutinizer05in kde3 I had my kmail on meta+M. In kde4 this works antil next X11 restart or dunno when it silently forgets that stuff11:20
DocScrutinizer05actually faster forgotten than by X11 restart, the latter only happens 3 times a year, but kde forgets windows-hotkeys after a few days11:21
DocScrutinizer05maybe on app restart, read: window close11:22
DocScrutinizer05maybe that isn't *meant* to be persistent across window-close and re-open ;-P11:22
chem|stsuch first-world-problems11:41
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KotCzarnyseriously, using inferior clunky programs and complaining here?11:49
KotCzarnythat rand should go to #kde11:50
KotCzarnynot to mention systemd, you know that in a few updates you might be forced to REINSTALL os because there would be no other easy way to fuck off the systemd out of the system?11:51
KotCzarnyon a lighter note, oscp just got adplug tunes support. they sound sooo sweet11:52
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zGrryeah, systemd. i am seriously considering to migrate my desktop back to FreeBSD12:12
KotCzarnyzgrr, just use slackware/gentoo/devuan12:12
zGrri do not like slackware.12:13
zGrrgentoo maybe.12:13
KotCzarnydepending what's your favourite os handling way12:13
KotCzarnyslack is for hardcores, gentoo is for 'recompile everything' people, and devuan is your usual 'just make it easy, but we cant promise you wont be f*cked up by dependencies' folks12:14
Wizzuprecompile everything luckily doesn't take any of my time :)12:14
Wizzuponly cpu time12:14
KotCzarnywizzup, its a nice way to use custom gcc flags12:14
KotCzarnyor config options12:14
KotCzarnythough slack is very close to it too12:15
WizzupNobody in their right mind does that (custom gcc flags)12:15
Wizzupstop reading ;-)12:15
KotCzarnypah, missed opportunity12:15
Wizzupyou get the freedom to do it, doesn't mean it's stupid12:16
KotCzarnyyes, that's what i had in mind when describing as 'recompile everything'12:16
KotCzarnybut one usually gets around just recompiling glibc, as its mostly used bunch of calls12:17
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Wizzuphello jonwil12:24
jonwilMy god reverse engineering weird audio codecs is a nightmare :(12:27
Wizzupyou're working on the PA stuff?12:29
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jonwilNo, its not N900 related :P12:30
jonwilIts a funky audio codec from a game :)12:30
KotCzarnythats why RE is also funky12:31
jonwilAnything involving MPEG stuff automatically qualifies as "funky"12:31
bencohnah :)12:31
bencohnot that much12:31
bencoh(well, agreed, a bit :p)12:32
jonwilThe format I am working on is a format that's similar to MP3 but its not MP312:32
jonwilso its based on MP312:32
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Vajbis anyone interested upgrading pidgin in maemo, so it would be possible to send files via xmmp?16:23
siceloping the maintainer on tmo .. he's very helpful usually16:42
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bencoh /6616:44
sicelobencoh: 666? :p16:45
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bencohsicelo: I hope I'll never have that many irssi windows ;)16:47
KotCzarny66 chat windows?16:47
* KotCzarny has 116:47
siceloKotCzarny: how many channels in that windows?16:49
sicelo*window ... <== KotCzarny16:49
siceloi tried doing split windows in irssi ... concept is a little difficult :p16:54
bencohsplit window is ... bleh16:54
siceloit's only nice if the chat is fast in the channels and you want to keep track in realtime16:55
KotCzarnyi usually part busy channels when im done asking questions16:55
KotCzarnyand having everything rolling without the need to switch windows is nice16:56
KotCzarnydid i mantion that adlib modules sound sweet?17:00
siceloyes, lol17:00
KotCzarnythey are the definition of electronic music17:01
KotCzarnyall synth17:01
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KotCzarnybuzz, are you buzz-the-modland-admin?17:11
buZzat least , dont think so17:15
buZzKotCzarny: i'm easy to spot with the capitalization of first Z17:15
KotCzarnyis irc case sensitive?17:16
buZzall good things in live are case sensitive17:28
buZzlife*17:28 -> search -> buzz -> 0 hits17:29
buZz <- 404 even17:29
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bencohoh wow, I completely forgot about stable release from june <318:21
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sixwheeledbeastI think I will be switching to Devuan and MATE upon a stable release. I'd prefer MATE over the current default XFCE.19:07
KotCzarnybeauty of the old setups is that you can mix and match different software19:08
KotCzarnywith systemd/gnome cancer its not the case anymore19:08
L29Ahsystemd/gnome cancer ≠ new setups19:10
L29Ahthere are several mainstream distros that provide you with either option19:10
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: full ack, me too19:27
sixwheeledbeastMATE seems the obvious DE for long term Debian users IMO, unless they liked the look of GNOME319:29
KotCzarnygnome3 was more touch friendly, but ugly for mouse19:30
bencohor you could just avoid using any DE :*19:30
KotCzarnyconsole is still DE :P19:31
KotCzarnyas ripped out walls are still walls19:31
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zGrrWhat touch friendliness is good for if you cant get Linux compatible touch devices anyway?19:50
KotCzarnywishful thinking? cargo cult?19:50
L29Ahcan't i?19:50
L29Ahi've seen several guys with touch displays on laptops and linux19:50
zGrrIf you try REALLLLLY hard you can.19:51
KotCzarnywho uses that19:51
L29Ahthis looked horribly unusable but they insist it's comfortable19:51
KotCzarnyit was only acceptable in convertible tablet/laptop configurations19:51
KotCzarny(thinkpad x41t etc)19:52
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zGrrI think, those who introduced this shit into Linux world were just parroting Windows touch obsession, which obviously failed.19:53
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KotCzarnywasnt gnome windoze copycat since beginning?19:53
KotCzarnybut it was usable around gnome219:53
KotCzarnygnome3 was utter shit19:53
zGrrSo we are stucked to dysfunctional, unergonomic user interface.19:54
KotCzarnybring xeroxpark labs again into mainstream!19:54
zGrractually i loved SunOS OpenLook.19:55
KotCzarnyzgrr, you want which display ratio with that? ;)19:55
zGrrback in old days.19:55
KotCzarnyi like fluxbox, small, fast, functional19:55
zGrrthey for whatever reason switched to ugly as shit CDE and Motif.19:55
zGrrI never liked Gnome.19:56
zGrrIt was unstable at the beginning and ugly at the end.19:57
zGrrIt is a shame to see that Linux has become, what it always hated.19:57
zGrrUser unconfigurable.19:58
KotCzarnymine still is19:58
zGrrand now, with systemd.19:59
KotCzarnynot mine.19:59
zGrrI don't even have enough spare time to resist.20:00
zGrrtime to go home.20:02
KotCzarnyzgrr, its quite easy20:02
sicelokde5 *is* windows20:02
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siceloi'm using it ...20:02
siceloactually when i installed it, for a moment i had to be sure if i was still running linux, as the 'user' icon is exactly this one:
siceloKotCzarny: was language is oscp written in?20:07
KotCzarnyroot@opipc:/1/_src/oscp# cat *.c|wc -l20:09
KotCzarnyalmost 60k lines of code20:09
KotCzarnyprobably twice-thrice as much after running through indent20:09
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sicelore: kde - this is it! can't stand any more issues with failure to connect to wifi. so, removing kde520:56
KotCzarnyi got fed with all those wifi managers20:57
KotCzarnyand just wrote single script20:57
KotCzarnythat scans available networks, then just connects to one from predefined ones20:58
sicelonever had issue in gnome at all .. kde5 has some problem with losing passwords .. have to retype them20:58
siceloi'll try MATE just now perhaps20:59
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sicelotbh, kde is fine ... but this is too much20:59
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fishbulbhow is the autocomplete edited?21:04
fishbulb"autocomplete editor" doesn't appear in the repos anymore21:04
sicelocomplicated. use the application .. autocomp edit21:05
sicelohmm, i installed it from them21:05
fishbulbit doesn't appear21:05
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fishbulbcan you check which repo it's in?21:08
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fishbulbok that's why21:10
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fishbulbunknown dictionary21:18
fishbulban unknown dictionary ID has been found21:18
fishbulbI'm using english.21:19
fishbulbdoesn't work with any version of english21:22
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KotCzarnymaybe your version of maemo was pirated21:23
fishbulbha: ha.21:24
siceloKotCzarny: /me likes, haha21:27
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KotCzarnysicelo, still want that igo stowaway kb?21:47
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siceloKotCzarny: i am interested, sure21:55
KotCzarnyto which country would the package have to go?21:56
KotCzarnyand what would be the cheapest option21:56
sicelosouth africa.21:58
sicelono idea about what options :-/21:58
KotCzarnydo you have any trip plans to .eu or have someone who would do such trip?21:58
sicelomyself no. i will ask around21:59
sicelowhere in EU are you btw?21:59
KotCzarnybut any european address would do22:00
sicelookay. will let you know22:00
KotCzarnybecause i've found that kb and willing to send it22:00
siceloi am sure i'll work something out22:05
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KotCzarnymy local post carrier says ~15usd, so if you find anything cheaper, shout22:13
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sicelothat's for South Africa?22:15
KotCzarnyfor pkg. when sending as 'letter' its ~3usd22:15
siceloor EU?22:15
KotCzarnyfor the whole africa22:15
KotCzarnywill probably get around and send it as regular letter22:17
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KotCzarnyhow big is the risk it will get missing on the way?22:17
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siceloSA postal service has been rather bad for last few years sadly22:18
siceloto the point that many international/online retailers no longer send items this way, lol22:18
KotCzarnyso it's either registered package or high risk of not reaching the destination22:19
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sicelounfortunately :(22:19
KotCzarnylet me know if you find anyone, otherwise i will send it via post22:22
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sicelogive me a couple of days.22:34
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