IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2016-08-14

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keriooh man12:48
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keriothe two screws that are visible on the back of the screen are like 100% rust12:49
keriois that a common thing12:49
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dkbrzhi. i've got a stupid question. is it ok to run rescueOS from u-boot? instead of backupmenu. like mkimage and stuff?13:49
L29Ahit is ok13:49
KotCzarnyrescueos is standalone13:49
KotCzarnyso as long it boots, it runs13:49
KotCzarnyand usually ran via usb flashing load13:49
dkbrzyes, i know13:50
dkbrzbut for backup purposes with dd, i'd like to have it on-device13:50
dkbrzuntill it breaks :)13:50
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dkbrzL29Ah: so, just converting both zImage and initrd from rescueOS release with mkimage to uImage format, placing both images to /opt/boot/ and crearing menu entry does the thing?13:57
KotCzarnyits just a kernel with initd13:59
KotCzarnynothing magical13:59
dkbrzKotCzarny: these times you never know :) when robots coding robots coding robots, strange things may happen14:00
dkbrzand for initrd, mkinit load address and entry point options should be both 0?14:03
infobotdkbrz meant: and for initrd, mkimage load address and entry point options should be both 0?14:03
KotCzarnyno need to set it specifically, so its either inside zimage or default14:04
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dkbrz** Unable to read file bootmenu.img.d/rescueOS-1.2-initrd.uImage14:32
DocScrutinizer51kerio: rust? ohmy, no not common14:33
dkbrzok, /opt/boot/ is not enough, bootmenu.img.d/ is in MyDocs, apparently...14:39
dkbrzbut then it works like a charm14:40
KotCzarnydkbrz: do you have some bootmenu with that uboot?14:40
dkbrzyes, i have kernel-power14:40
dkbrzbut it's only kernel14:41
dkbrzi did not have any examples with additional initrd images14:41
dkbrznow i did:14:42
dkbrz$ mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n rescueOS-1.2-kernel -d rescueOS-1.2-kernel.uImage14:42
dkbrz$ mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -n rescueOS-1.2-initrd -d rescueOS-1.2-initrd.uImage14:42
dkbrzand created 99-rescueOS-1.2.item14:42
dkbrzITEM_CMDLINE="rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"14:42
dkbrzplaced both images in /opt/boot14:43
dkbrzand it did not work14:43
dkbrzthen copied both to MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/14:43
dkbrzand then it worked14:43
MaxdamantusThat bootmenu thing seems unnecessarily complicated.14:48
* Maxdamantus just uses this:
dkbrzhuh, python :)14:50
MaxdamantusIt suffices, and is fairly portable.14:50
MaxdamantusCan run that independently anywhere to create the boot.scr file.14:51
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Maxdamantusincluding from what I normally use as a rescue system: just a 3.14 kernel I've had for a while, and the old ubifs on NAND that I don't use anymore for my main system.14:52
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WizzupMaxdamantus: I don't find the boot menu complicated at all14:54
WizzupIt's actually really simple14:54
MaxdamantusCompared to the first 14 lines of that Python program?14:55
Wizzupreinventing the wheel that is already round :)14:55
dkbrzhmm.. one more stupid question. i normally don't use n900 as a phone - only as pocket linux terminal. so, I use 3g radio only when I need connectivity. I disable it with dbus-dend fo false, and enable it with true on demand. Question: what is the easiest way to boot n900 with 3G radio didsabled?15:01
KotCzarnyif you have dbus-send then you can put it in startup scripts15:13
KotCzarnybut easiest is installing tablet mode button in powerkey menu15:14
dkbrzdoes it preserve mode on boot? i think it uses the same dbus send, and how ever early it's in the scripts, modem still register to operator network befor you can use it...15:16
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KotCzarnyadd it to initrd then?15:19
sixwheeledbeastI don't believe there is much benefit in disabling the radio completely, maybe a small amount of battery if that's important15:21
KotCzarnyswb: privacy?15:21
dkbrzsixwheeledbeast: i don't want to flash myself on the operator network every time  i accidentially boot :)15:22
sixwheeledbeasti see15:22
buZzdkbrz: wrap it in tinfoil? :D15:22
dkbrzbuZz: I'll consider it as an option15:23
KotCzarnybuzz, tinfoil is overrated, 2cm wall of solid metal.15:23
buZzi'm misty on the details, is N900 ok if you just kill the modem completely?15:23
KotCzarnyhe still wants to use it occasionally15:23
KotCzarnyso no15:23
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buZz'i used to be able to use this' <- this falls under occasionally for me15:24
dkbrzKotCzarny: the best option would be setting this "false" variable by default, maybe on filesystem. Or, trace what it actually does, and make these changes default on boot15:24
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sixwheeledbeastSo I assume the reason flight mode is not an option is wifi is required?15:24
KotCzarnydoes modem boot/hop on operator even without firmware?15:25
KotCzarnyand tablet mode disabled cell while leaving wifi working15:26
dkbrzis flight mode still on after reboot if it was enabled?15:28
sixwheeledbeastYes, but it requests you to disable it15:28
KotCzarnyswb, he asks not about flight mode setting but if during reboot modem gets reenabled before flight mode disables it again15:29
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't know on a modem level15:30
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dkbrzdamn. dbus is comletely alien thing to me. something between iTunes and windows registery. basic question before i sacrifice my this night to dbus docs - is it generally possible to place some xml file somewhere on the filesystem, so, when dbus starts it sets '' to 'false'? or man I missing the point completely?19:11
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dkbrzod dbus is only the media here, and sscd startup options should be tuned?19:23
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dkbrzhmm... looks like blacklisting phonet module via /etc/modprobe.d/ does not work?20:25
KotCzarnyi think phonet is something else20:33
KotCzarnyie. just a bridge to the modem chip20:33
dkbrzso, disabling it will not make modem chip not initialising on boot?20:34
dkbrzmy pink phantasy was blacklisting it, and then only insmoding it manually when i need radio :)20:37
KotCzarnyphink pantasy20:43
dkbrzye. like "The Slow Rise Of The PSS 280" by Simon Stålenhag. I own 'Tales from the Loop' hardcover, and was allways thinging he's only in painting.20:49
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keriodkbrz: you might want to look into the neo90021:04
kerioit actively treats the modem as hostile21:04
dkbrzkerio: I wish I could :(21:09
dkbrzI am poor working class - do not have spare 1k eur. second market or stealing are the only options ;]21:10
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sicelowhat is the reason for the hostility against cellular radio by the way?21:33
KotCzarnyit marks your imei position21:33
KotCzarnyeven without sim21:33
KotCzarnyand another thing is firmware backdoor possibility21:34
KotCzarnycellular modems are usually selfcontained machines21:34
siceloi'm asking in connection with dkbrz21:35
KotCzarnythen first case most likely21:36
dkbrzsicelo: tracking21:41
siceloand still happy to be tracked when you decide to enable cellular?21:43
dkbrzsicelo: it's controlled. when i decide. in some countries mobile operators are obliged to create direct hooks frg governments into at least signaling. people working for government are of 2 types - incompetent ones, unable to find their place in serious business, or completely of malicious type, being there for abuse reasons. in any case, you loose as a customer, and i don't know what's worse of these 2. whan21:46
dkbrz you enable it on purpose - you know what you are doing21:46
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