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keriodid someone try one of those magnetic microusb adapters on a n900?13:34
KotCzarnylike-jr tried13:42
KotCzarnyno good experience13:42
KotCzarny2 or 3 types13:42
L29Ahepoxy ♥13:48
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KotCzarnyhis concern was that the piece didnt want to LEAVE the port13:49
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CatButtshai guise, I'm poking around for phones, platforms and their comunities13:59
KotCzarnygo iphone14:00
CatButtsI have a J2ME featurephone currently14:00
CatButtslooking at the N900014:00
KotCzarnydo you want www browsing?14:01
KotCzarnyare you a hacker?14:01
KotCzarnydo you love linux?14:01
KotCzarnyif its N/Y/Y then go for it14:01
KotCzarnyin short lack of featureful modern browser is a dealbreaker for most people14:02
KotCzarnysimple sites work, but anything images/script heavy is just too much14:02
KotCzarnyotherwise n900 is one of the best phones created14:03
CatButtsI recently saw some newfangled doohickey called PocketCHIP which sparked off desire to have linux pocket PC with wifi14:03
CatButtsbut then I think to myself14:03
CatButtsthat keyboard is going to be shit14:03
KotCzarnypocketchip is nice, but extremely limited14:03
CatButtssurely there are better things out there14:03
KotCzarnyeven more than n90014:04
CatButtsI was under impression that it has better CPU and double the RAM14:04
KotCzarnyand a crummy design14:04
KotCzarnygrab pandora if you are into such things14:05
CatButtsthe keyboard, just by looking at it14:05
CatButtswhat's one priced, roughly?14:06
CatButtsI looked around for SH n90014:06
CatButtsroughly 100USD14:07
KotCzarnyn900 can be obtained for ~20-30usd14:08
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CatButtsunlike, say14:10
CatButtsSymbian or J2ME14:10
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KotCzarnywith some touch of touch friendliness14:11
CatButtsso it's a fully fledged linux from the go, yes?14:11
KotCzarnystuck in 2.6.28 kernel and old glibc though14:11
KotCzarnygood folks of maemo working on it to bring fully working mainline tho14:12
CatButtssilly queschun, though14:12
CatButtsdoes the n900 have any stylus of its own?14:12
KotCzarnybut anything works14:12
KotCzarnyeven a match14:12
KotCzarnyor nail14:12
CatButtsI like the idea of having place to park stylus, in the device14:13
CatButtsjust like the DS14:13
KotCzarnyyes, but stylus is only for precise touching14:13
KotCzarnymostly i just only use my fingers14:13
CatButtsIt'd probably make a decent drawing tool14:14
CatButtsif I wanted only that, I'd just get a Galaxy Note, with dem fancy Wacom digitizers14:15
Siceloit makes the best .. see youtube mypaint ;)14:15
CatButtslooks more than adequate14:17
keriothe n900 is a desktop linux from 200814:19
CatButtswhat would coding C and compiling be like on this device?14:19
keriothe n900 swaps on boot14:19
kerioand has barely any space on the rootfs14:19
kerioeverything is installed on a separate partition and there's a hell of symlinks14:20
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kerioit's not a clean system at all14:21
Siceloof course not14:21
keriobuy one if you find a decent deal and if you want to own a piece of computing history14:22
keriobut nowadays, it's not a good smartphone14:22
CatButtsif I can get something the likes of Opera Mini running, I be happy14:23
keriothe default browser is based on gecko14:23
kerioit's kinda old14:23
kerioyou can get a more recent firefox fennec (still old) from repos14:24
SiceloOpera Mini 7 runs14:24
CatButtsso, in what way is PocketCHIP more limited than the n90014:25
keriodoes the pocketchip even have a case14:25
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CatButtsthe CHIP is the little core that plugs in the back14:26
keriothat's not a case14:26
keriothere's exposed contacts14:26
keriothat will last a grand total of 3 minutes in a pocket14:26
CatButtseh, I worry about shit design later14:26
CatButtsI asked question spec-wise14:26
Sicelochip has better specs of course14:27
CatButtsand shittier keyboard14:27
CatButtsthe CHIP itself comes at 9USD14:28
CatButtsbut the PocketCHIP comes at 70USD14:28
Wizzup+9USD shipping14:28
CatButtsso it feels a bit14:28
Wizzup+XXUSD for extras14:28
Siceloi don't believe the keyboard is in the $9 .. afaik the $9 is just the board?14:28
CatButts$9 is the small core14:29
CatButtsthe CHIP14:29
CatButtsPC on a board14:29
CatButtsmaybe ripoff is not the right word14:30
CatButtsI wonder what PalmOS is like these days14:32
CatButtssymbian, super-ded14:33
CatButtswinmo, ???14:33
CatButtsJ2ME, ded14:33
KotCzarnycatbutts, chip is 9$ + 20$ shipping :P14:35
KotCzarnydont believe the marketing14:35
CatButtsat this point, the n900 looks the most tempting14:36
KotCzarnyjust dont get it at 100usd point14:36
KotCzarnylook for 20-30 deals14:36
CatButtsso, what other interesting maemo phones are there around14:37
KotCzarnywatch out for: 1/ bad usb port, 2/ bad modem14:37
KotCzarnythere are no other meaemo phones14:37
KotCzarnynot yet14:37
KotCzarnythere is neo900 project, but its in another price range14:37
CatButts>resistive dualtouch14:40
CatButtsI'm curious14:40
CatButtsit's like, the best of both worlds14:40
CatButtscapacitive multi-touch and resistive precision14:40
kerioye the neo900 is unapproachable unless you're seriously dedicated14:40
CatButtsso, has anyone here try write and compile things on n900?14:43
KotCzarnyi did14:44
KotCzarnyi wrote me an audio player14:44
infobotit has been said that oscp is
CatButtsso you can use the phone as dev environment, yes14:45
KotCzarnyyou can, but its a tad slow14:45
KotCzarnyi use arm based sbc board and compile in chroot14:45
KotCzarnyits just linux, armel one14:46
CatButtsI wrote actionscript on j2me phone with modded opera mini text editor while on vacation a few times14:46
CatButtscould have been worse14:46
CatButtsbut not by much :P14:46
KotCzarnyhave you ever wrote linux app?14:48
CatButtsnot really, I am a stubborn windows user14:49
CatButtsXP, to be exact14:49
CatButts7 is ok14:49
CatButtsonwards past that, it's all downhill14:49
CatButtsI wrote a python script for dd if that counts :P14:50
CatButtsI religiously back up all my partitions once a month from a Puppy Linux14:50
KotCzarnywin7 isnt that bad either14:50
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CatButts amazing15:19
CatButts why so sad, PocketCHIP?15:20
CatButtsah, here's another question15:29
CatButtswhat's battery life like for the n900?15:29
KotCzarny~1-2 weeks of standby15:30
KotCzarnyfew hours of constant use on wifi/lcd on15:30
KotCzarnyjoga: mine has 6 days of standby, and my battery is 7 years old ;)15:30
jogawell, my battery is almost 7 years old by now I think, it lasts typical use for 1-2 days15:30
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jogabut would definitely not stay weeks on standby with all network connections off etc15:31
jogaor if it did, probably just trying to do anything would immediately shut it down15:31
KotCzarnymine does, with gsm on15:31
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CatButtsI probably won't be needing gsm15:32
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KotCzarnythen you can buy one with broken modem chip15:34
KotCzarnyshould be dirt cheap15:34
CatButtsI make assumption sunvox works on Maemo 515:38
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CatButtsah, right, they have releases for Maemo15:39
KotCzarnyas long it compiles with old libs, it works15:42
CatButtsit's closed source, sorry15:43
CatButtsbut, now that you mention it, I need ask this for SDL215:44
CatButtsif the answer is yes, I am set15:44
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OksanaaJust how difficult porting redshift is?
OksanaaLibxxf86vm1 is something to look at, libgconf2-4 vs libgconf-2-4 is confusing, gconf-service is also interesting15:53
OksanaaHello :-)15:54
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CatButtsyou wouldn't happen know if SDL2 is a thing on maemo5, would you?15:55
KotCzarnyi guess no one compiled it (yet)15:56
OksanaaNay, libsdl1.2 ?15:56
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Oksanaa/me looks into present, Kot'Czarny shows possibility of future15:57
KotCzarnynope, sdl215:57
KotCzarnyCatButts: you can easily check if it compiles ok15:57
KotCzarnyjust install maemo sdk15:57
KotCzarnyor download vm image15:57
CatButtsI'd probably want to see if I can get device first15:57
CatButtsto form an interest15:57
OksanaaDevice is easy to get, I think... Just do not try to put development environment onto it. RootFS can become full quickly.15:59
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CatButtsdoes the n900 charge from USB or separate jack?16:05
CatButtsI got cheap sale advert saying the charging jack has defect16:06
OksanaaMicroUSB, yes16:06
CatButtsit's a trap, then16:06
OksanaaNokia N900 can have charging port easily breaking. Depends on how you treat the device.16:07
OksanaaYou can fix it before it becomes broken, too16:07
infobotusbfix is probably - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt16:07
CatButtsyeah, I am not exactly confident in my surface-soldering skills16:10
CatButtsand the only iron I have now is large, 100W one16:10
OksanaaClose. i have a 60W one at home. Fortunately, there is a friendly makerspace close by16:11
DocScrutinizer05and friendly smartass experts in this channel ;-P16:11
OksanaaGlad to see you :-D going to sleep soon-ish16:12
CatButtseh, found for 50 USD16:12
CatButtsnot quite a bargain16:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: offhand, do you remember how low EDV1 is?16:13
DocScrutinizer05ug, nope16:16
DocScrutinizer05but wait16:16
kerio3.2ish, then16:18
DocScrutinizer05   0x77:       119 SEDVF Scaled EDVF Threshold                                       R/W16:18
DocScrutinizer05                    +0x100)*8 =  3000 mV (@ 0%)16:18
DocScrutinizer05   0x78:       150 SEDV1 Scaled EDV1 Threshold                                       R/W16:18
DocScrutinizer05                    +0x100)*8 =  3248 mV (@ 6.25%)16:18
DocScrutinizer053.4ish is bme bailout iitc16:19
DocScrutinizer05which is the problem with learning cycles16:20
kerioi wonder if the bme replacement also bails out at 3.416:21
kerioor if it waits a bit after EDV116:21
kerioistr it waits16:21
DocScrutinizer05bme replacement iirc waits for EDV1 :-)16:22
DocScrutinizer05and hopefully then 60s more16:23
DocScrutinizer05ask pali16:23
kerioyay i has a calibration16:25
OksanaaRedshift depends on libgconf-2-4, which depends on libglib2.0-0 > 2.31.0 , which is a problem (2.24.1 on maemo 5). In short, compile redshift for maemo 5, because libraries have entirely stilted versions of libraries16:25
Oksanaa/me goes to sleep; good time of day to everybody16:25
CatButtsbuh bye16:26
kerioLast Measured Discharge (LMD): 1240.7535 mAh16:26
keriocalibrated at max brightness16:26
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: wow16:34
DocScrutinizer05battery wear&tear: 5%16:35
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DocScrutinizer05or nokia would say (N9) "battery health: 95%"16:35
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's a polarcell17:56
DocScrutinizer05aah those seem pretty good cells17:59
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DocScrutinizer05though I got one (unknown history) as donation, and that was pretty much zombie18:00
CatButtswhere's the sourcecode for this so I can incessantly bitch if it's based on MikMod :P18:00
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DocScrutinizer05don't bitch, help!18:01
CatButts>depends: gstreamer0.10-modplug (>= 0.10.13), libmodplug0c2 (>= 0.8.7), tracker-distutils, tracker-extractor-mod (>= 0.2)18:03
CatButtsah, phew18:04
CatButtsthough, I suppose libmodplug could be replaced with newer libopenmpt18:04
KotCzarnycatbutts: if you want module player, just use my oscp :P18:05
CatButtsI want a phone before hand18:05
KotCzarnybetter interface too18:05
KotCzarnyand works on pc18:05
CatButtswhen I got a phone and like it, I can start crafting18:05
KotCzarnywell, you can check the module player already18:08
KotCzarnymaybe you will like it18:08
CatButtsdoes it have plugin arhitecture?18:09
KotCzarnyyes, but not exposed18:09
KotCzarnyie. i've tried to make it monolithic, no depps, file hassle etc18:09
KotCzarnyone file to play them all18:09
CatButtsso to add plugin, you have to recompile whole player, yes?18:10
KotCzarnyyes, but it already plays more than you might need18:10
CatButts>uade integrated18:11
KotCzarnyand i prefer libxmp over libmodplug18:13
CatButtsI am contemplating making a tracker on PC for some obscure music format whose replayer I got my grubby paws on(read, reversing)18:15
CatButtshaving a tiny device to conveniently carry around and have that tool on is also a plus18:15
KotCzarnyformat name?18:15
KotCzarnynever heard of18:16
CatButtsI met it on Symbian as Syntrax18:16
CatButtscould never use tracker properly because it was S60v3 app running on S60v518:17
CatButtsv3 is keys, v5 is touch18:17
CatButtsSyntrax used virtual, key-controlled mouse18:17
CatButtsso that's two levels of unusability, stacked18:18
CatButtsthen I found a flash port of the replayer, and my slightly unhealthy penchant for this tool grew from that moment forward :P18:20
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CatButtsI took it apart, cleaned and bugfixed, eventually ported back to C, where it awaits me getting off my arse and building a tracker18:22
CatButtsoh, one important detail about the n900 I need to know18:23
CatButtsfloat and double support18:23
CatButtsfor the CPU18:24
CatButtsdouble too18:27
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KotCzarny[   14.368233] sunxidrm: exports duplicate symbol dsi_dcs_rd (owned by kernel)23:16
KotCzarnynot a stellar code quality23:17
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* DocScrutinizer05 thinks that in 90% of cases where they are used, floats are used for no good reason at all and you'd be *way* better of using uint3223:56
DocScrutinizer05err int3223:56
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CatButts unrelated23:56'd be *way* better off using int32 or even int6423:58
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