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| kerio | did someone try one of those magnetic microusb adapters on a n900? | 13:34 |
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| KotCzarny | like-jr tried | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | no good experience | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | 2 or 3 types | 13:42 |
| L29Ah | epoxy ♥ | 13:48 |
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| KotCzarny | his concern was that the piece didnt want to LEAVE the port | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 13:49 |
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| L29Ah | oh | 13:54 |
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| CatButts | hai guise, I'm poking around for phones, platforms and their comunities | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | go iphone | 14:00 |
| CatButts | I have a J2ME featurephone currently | 14:00 |
| CatButts | looking at the N9000 | 14:00 |
| KotCzarny | do you want www browsing? | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | are you a hacker? | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | do you love linux? | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | if its N/Y/Y then go for it | 14:01 |
| CatButts | maybe/maybe/likely | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | in short lack of featureful modern browser is a dealbreaker for most people | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | simple sites work, but anything images/script heavy is just too much | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise n900 is one of the best phones created | 14:03 |
| CatButts | I recently saw some newfangled doohickey called PocketCHIP which sparked off desire to have linux pocket PC with wifi | 14:03 |
| CatButts | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hXDizTasY6A/maxresdefault.jpg | 14:03 |
| CatButts | but then I think to myself | 14:03 |
| CatButts | that keyboard is going to be shit | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | pocketchip is nice, but extremely limited | 14:03 |
| CatButts | surely there are better things out there | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | even more than n900 | 14:04 |
| CatButts | really? | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 14:04 |
| CatButts | I was under impression that it has better CPU and double the RAM | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | and a crummy design | 14:04 |
| CatButts | yes | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | grab pandora if you are into such things | 14:05 |
| CatButts | the keyboard, just by looking at it | 14:05 |
| CatButts | what's one priced, roughly? | 14:06 |
| CatButts | I looked around for SH n900 | 14:06 |
| CatButts | roughly 100USD | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | n900 can be obtained for ~20-30usd | 14:08 |
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| CatButts | unlike, say | 14:10 |
| CatButts | Symbian or J2ME | 14:10 |
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| CatButts | hahahaha | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | linux | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | seriously | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | with some touch of touch friendliness | 14:11 |
| CatButts | so it's a fully fledged linux from the go, yes? | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | stuck in 2.6.28 kernel and old glibc though | 14:11 |
| KotCzarny | good folks of maemo working on it to bring fully working mainline tho | 14:12 |
| CatButts | silly queschun, though | 14:12 |
| CatButts | does the n900 have any stylus of its own? | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 14:12 |
| CatButts | good | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | but anything works | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | even a match | 14:12 |
| CatButts | yes | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | or nail | 14:12 |
| CatButts | I like the idea of having place to park stylus, in the device | 14:13 |
| CatButts | just like the DS | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but stylus is only for precise touching | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | mostly i just only use my fingers | 14:13 |
| CatButts | It'd probably make a decent drawing tool | 14:14 |
| CatButts | if I wanted only that, I'd just get a Galaxy Note, with dem fancy Wacom digitizers | 14:15 |
| Sicelo | it makes the best .. see youtube mypaint ;) | 14:15 |
| CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E | 14:16 |
| CatButts | looks more than adequate | 14:17 |
| kerio | the n900 is a desktop linux from 2008 | 14:19 |
| CatButts | what would coding C and compiling be like on this device? | 14:19 |
| kerio | the n900 swaps on boot | 14:19 |
| kerio | and has barely any space on the rootfs | 14:19 |
| kerio | everything is installed on a separate partition and there's a hell of symlinks | 14:20 |
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| kerio | it's not a clean system at all | 14:21 |
| Sicelo | of course not | 14:21 |
| kerio | buy one if you find a decent deal and if you want to own a piece of computing history | 14:22 |
| kerio | but nowadays, it's not a good smartphone | 14:22 |
| CatButts | if I can get something the likes of Opera Mini running, I be happy | 14:23 |
| kerio | the default browser is based on gecko | 14:23 |
| kerio | it's kinda old | 14:23 |
| kerio | you can get a more recent firefox fennec (still old) from repos | 14:24 |
| Sicelo | Opera Mini 7 runs | 14:24 |
| CatButts | so, in what way is PocketCHIP more limited than the n900 | 14:25 |
| kerio | does the pocketchip even have a case | 14:25 |
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| CatButts | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hXDizTasY6A/maxresdefault.jpg | 14:25 |
| CatButts | the CHIP is the little core that plugs in the back | 14:26 |
| kerio | that's not a case | 14:26 |
| kerio | there's exposed contacts | 14:26 |
| kerio | that will last a grand total of 3 minutes in a pocket | 14:26 |
| CatButts | eh, I worry about shit design later | 14:26 |
| CatButts | I asked question spec-wise | 14:26 |
| Sicelo | chip has better specs of course | 14:27 |
| CatButts | and shittier keyboard | 14:27 |
| CatButts | haha | 14:27 |
| CatButts | the CHIP itself comes at 9USD | 14:28 |
| CatButts | but the PocketCHIP comes at 70USD | 14:28 |
| Wizzup | +9USD shipping | 14:28 |
| CatButts | so it feels a bit | 14:28 |
| Wizzup | +XXUSD for extras | 14:28 |
| CatButts | rippoff | 14:28 |
| Sicelo | i don't believe the keyboard is in the $9 .. afaik the $9 is just the board? | 14:28 |
| CatButts | $9 is the small core | 14:29 |
| CatButts | the CHIP | 14:29 |
| CatButts | PC on a board | 14:29 |
| Sicelo | yep | 14:29 |
| CatButts | maybe ripoff is not the right word | 14:30 |
| CatButts | cash-in | 14:30 |
| CatButts | I wonder what PalmOS is like these days | 14:32 |
| CatButts | community-wise | 14:32 |
| CatButts | symbian, super-ded | 14:33 |
| CatButts | winmo, ??? | 14:33 |
| CatButts | J2ME, ded | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | catbutts, chip is 9$ + 20$ shipping :P | 14:35 |
| KotCzarny | dont believe the marketing | 14:35 |
| CatButts | at this point, the n900 looks the most tempting | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | just dont get it at 100usd point | 14:36 |
| KotCzarny | look for 20-30 deals | 14:36 |
| CatButts | aye | 14:36 |
| CatButts | so, what other interesting maemo phones are there around | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | watch out for: 1/ bad usb port, 2/ bad modem | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | there are no other meaemo phones | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 14:37 |
| KotCzarny | there is neo900 project, but its in another price range | 14:37 |
| CatButts | >resistive dualtouch | 14:40 |
| CatButts | I'm curious | 14:40 |
| CatButts | it's like, the best of both worlds | 14:40 |
| CatButts | capacitive multi-touch and resistive precision | 14:40 |
| kerio | ye the neo900 is unapproachable unless you're seriously dedicated | 14:40 |
| CatButts | eeeyup | 14:41 |
| CatButts | so, has anyone here try write and compile things on n900? | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | i did | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote me an audio player | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | ~oscp | 14:44 |
| infobot | it has been said that oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 14:44 |
| CatButts | so you can use the phone as dev environment, yes | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | you can, but its a tad slow | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | i use arm based sbc board and compile in chroot | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | its just linux, armel one | 14:46 |
| CatButts | I wrote actionscript on j2me phone with modded opera mini text editor while on vacation a few times | 14:46 |
| CatButts | could have been worse | 14:46 |
| CatButts | but not by much :P | 14:46 |
| KotCzarny | have you ever wrote linux app? | 14:48 |
| CatButts | not really, I am a stubborn windows user | 14:49 |
| CatButts | XP, to be exact | 14:49 |
| CatButts | 7 is ok | 14:49 |
| CatButts | onwards past that, it's all downhill | 14:49 |
| CatButts | I wrote a python script for dd if that counts :P | 14:50 |
| CatButts | I religiously back up all my partitions once a month from a Puppy Linux | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | win7 isnt that bad either | 14:50 |
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| CatButts | http://blog.nextthing.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Crunch_Pocuolus-1024x576.jpg amazing | 15:19 |
| CatButts | http://blog.nextthing.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/P1440935-1024x576.jpg why so sad, PocketCHIP? | 15:20 |
| CatButts | hahaha | 15:20 |
| CatButts | ah, here's another question | 15:29 |
| CatButts | what's battery life like for the n900? | 15:29 |
| KotCzarny | ~1-2 weeks of standby | 15:30 |
| joga | really? | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | few hours of constant use on wifi/lcd on | 15:30 |
| KotCzarny | joga: mine has 6 days of standby, and my battery is 7 years old ;) | 15:30 |
| joga | well, my battery is almost 7 years old by now I think, it lasts typical use for 1-2 days | 15:30 |
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| joga | but would definitely not stay weeks on standby with all network connections off etc | 15:31 |
| joga | or if it did, probably just trying to do anything would immediately shut it down | 15:31 |
| joga | :) | 15:31 |
| KotCzarny | mine does, with gsm on | 15:31 |
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| CatButts | I probably won't be needing gsm | 15:32 |
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| KotCzarny | then you can buy one with broken modem chip | 15:34 |
| KotCzarny | should be dirt cheap | 15:34 |
| CatButts | I make assumption sunvox works on Maemo 5 | 15:38 |
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| CatButts | ah, right, they have releases for Maemo | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | as long it compiles with old libs, it works | 15:42 |
| CatButts | it's closed source, sorry | 15:43 |
| CatButts | but, now that you mention it, I need ask this for SDL2 | 15:44 |
| CatButts | if the answer is yes, I am set | 15:44 |
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| Oksanaa | Just how difficult porting redshift is? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/redshift | 15:50 |
| CatButts | uhllo | 15:53 |
| Oksanaa | Libxxf86vm1 is something to look at, libgconf2-4 vs libgconf-2-4 is confusing, gconf-service is also interesting | 15:53 |
| Oksanaa | Hello :-) | 15:54 |
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| CatButts | you wouldn't happen know if SDL2 is a thing on maemo5, would you? | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | i guess no one compiled it (yet) | 15:56 |
| Oksanaa | Nay, libsdl1.2 ? | 15:56 |
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| Oksanaa | /me looks into present, Kot'Czarny shows possibility of future | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | nope, sdl2 | 15:57 |
| CatButts | bummer | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | CatButts: you can easily check if it compiles ok | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | just install maemo sdk | 15:57 |
| KotCzarny | or download vm image | 15:57 |
| CatButts | I'd probably want to see if I can get device first | 15:57 |
| CatButts | to form an interest | 15:57 |
| Oksanaa | Device is easy to get, I think... Just do not try to put development environment onto it. RootFS can become full quickly. | 15:59 |
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| CatButts | does the n900 charge from USB or separate jack? | 16:05 |
| CatButts | I got cheap sale advert saying the charging jack has defect | 16:06 |
| Oksanaa | MicroUSB, yes | 16:06 |
| CatButts | it's a trap, then | 16:06 |
| Oksanaa | Nokia N900 can have charging port easily breaking. Depends on how you treat the device. | 16:07 |
| Oksanaa | You can fix it before it becomes broken, too | 16:07 |
| Oksanaa | ~usbfix | 16:07 |
| infobot | usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt | 16:07 |
| CatButts | yeah, I am not exactly confident in my surface-soldering skills | 16:10 |
| CatButts | and the only iron I have now is large, 100W one | 16:10 |
| Oksanaa | Close. i have a 60W one at home. Fortunately, there is a friendly makerspace close by | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and friendly smartass experts in this channel ;-P | 16:11 |
| Oksanaa | Glad to see you :-D going to sleep soon-ish | 16:12 |
| CatButts | eh, found for 50 USD | 16:12 |
| CatButts | not quite a bargain | 16:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: offhand, do you remember how low EDV1 is? | 16:13 |
| kerio | 3.2ish? | 16:16 |
| kerio | 3.4ish? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ug, nope | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.4ish | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but wait | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/72364948 | 16:17 |
| kerio | 3.2ish, then | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0x77: 119 SEDVF Scaled EDVF Threshold R/W | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +0x100)*8 = 3000 mV (@ 0%) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0x78: 150 SEDV1 Scaled EDV1 Threshold R/W | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +0x100)*8 = 3248 mV (@ 6.25%) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.4ish is bme bailout iitc | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is the problem with learning cycles | 16:20 |
| kerio | i wonder if the bme replacement also bails out at 3.4 | 16:21 |
| kerio | or if it waits a bit after EDV1 | 16:21 |
| kerio | istr it waits | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme replacement iirc waits for EDV1 :-) | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and hopefully then 60s more | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali | 16:23 |
| kerio | yay i has a calibration | 16:25 |
| Oksanaa | Redshift depends on libgconf-2-4, which depends on libglib2.0-0 > 2.31.0 , which is a problem (2.24.1 on maemo 5). In short, compile redshift for maemo 5, because libraries have entirely stilted versions of libraries | 16:25 |
| Oksanaa | /me goes to sleep; good time of day to everybody | 16:25 |
| CatButts | buh bye | 16:26 |
| kerio | Last Measured Discharge (LMD): 1240.7535 mAh | 16:26 |
| kerio | calibrated at max brightness | 16:26 |
| kerio | (200mA) | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wow | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery wear&tear: 5% | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or nokia would say (N9) "battery health: 95%" | 16:35 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's a polarcell | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah those seem pretty good cells | 17:59 |
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| CatButts | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mod-support/ | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I got one (unknown history) as donation, and that was pretty much zombie | 18:00 |
| CatButts | where's the sourcecode for this so I can incessantly bitch if it's based on MikMod :P | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mod-support/ | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't bitch, help! | 18:01 |
| CatButts | >depends: gstreamer0.10-modplug (>= 0.10.13), libmodplug0c2 (>= 0.8.7), tracker-distutils, tracker-extractor-mod (>= 0.2) | 18:03 |
| CatButts | ah, phew | 18:04 |
| CatButts | though, I suppose libmodplug could be replaced with newer libopenmpt | 18:04 |
| KotCzarny | catbutts: if you want module player, just use my oscp :P | 18:05 |
| CatButts | I want a phone before hand | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | better interface too | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | and works on pc | 18:05 |
| CatButts | when I got a phone and like it, I can start crafting | 18:05 |
| KotCzarny | well, you can check the module player already | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you will like it | 18:08 |
| CatButts | does it have plugin arhitecture? | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but not exposed | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i've tried to make it monolithic, no depps, file hassle etc | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | one file to play them all | 18:09 |
| CatButts | oh | 18:10 |
| CatButts | so to add plugin, you have to recompile whole player, yes? | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it already plays more than you might need | 18:10 |
| CatButts | >uade integrated | 18:11 |
| CatButts | neat | 18:11 |
| KotCzarny | and i prefer libxmp over libmodplug | 18:13 |
| CatButts | I am contemplating making a tracker on PC for some obscure music format whose replayer I got my grubby paws on(read, reversing) | 18:15 |
| CatButts | having a tiny device to conveniently carry around and have that tool on is also a plus | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | format name? | 18:15 |
| CatButts | Jaytrax/Syntrax | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | never heard of | 18:16 |
| CatButts | I met it on Symbian as Syntrax | 18:16 |
| CatButts | could never use tracker properly because it was S60v3 app running on S60v5 | 18:17 |
| CatButts | v3 is keys, v5 is touch | 18:17 |
| CatButts | Syntrax used virtual, key-controlled mouse | 18:17 |
| CatButts | so that's two levels of unusability, stacked | 18:18 |
| CatButts | then I found a flash port of the replayer, and my slightly unhealthy penchant for this tool grew from that moment forward :P | 18:20 |
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| CatButts | I took it apart, cleaned and bugfixed, eventually ported back to C, where it awaits me getting off my arse and building a tracker | 18:22 |
| CatButts | oh, one important detail about the n900 I need to know | 18:23 |
| CatButts | float and double support | 18:23 |
| CatButts | for the CPU | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | cortex-a8 | 18:24 |
| CatButts | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A8#Features | 18:27 |
| CatButts | >VFP | 18:27 |
| CatButts | yes | 18:27 |
| CatButts | double too | 18:27 |
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| KotCzarny | [ 14.368233] sunxidrm: exports duplicate symbol dsi_dcs_rd (owned by kernel) | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | not a stellar code quality | 23:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks that in 90% of cases where they are used, floats are used for no good reason at all and you'd be *way* better of using uint32 | 23:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err int32 | 23:56 |
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| CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJn39Tt8EJo unrelated | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...you'd be *way* better off using int32 or even int64 | 23:58 |
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