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| Oksana | Hmm, what about pushing bnf to Extras-testing? Sure, version 1.2 isn't more dangerous than version 1.0, is it? Because typo in sudoers file makes version 1.0 not quite use-friendly... | 09:47 |
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| KotCzarny | who uses extras-testing? | 09:47 |
| Oksana | Those who do not want extras-devel enabled all the time? | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | so, 1 user? | 09:49 |
| bencoh | probably more than that | 09:55 |
| bencoh | I personally use apt pinning so unless I explicitely force a version I'd end up with the one in extras or testing | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | would be interesting to see extras-testing stats (updated to exclude search engines etc) | 09:58 |
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| fishbulb | hello | 11:19 |
| fishbulb | I really need to copy my info to my other phone, and then change screens, becuase the usb port is fucked and the keyboard is worn out now | 11:20 |
| fishbulb | what I'd like to do is a fresh install | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | fishbulb: backup menu, then move backup data to new device, then restore | 11:20 |
| fishbulb | and copy over my contacts, messages, reinstall programs | 11:20 |
| fishbulb | where do I get backup menu from? all my repos are gone | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~bm | 11:21 |
| infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 11:21 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 11:21 |
| fishbulb | will the one click install work if I have no repos? | 11:21 |
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| atk | What options are there for web browsers on the N900? | 15:19 |
| atk | Or better yet, does anyone know where I can find the source for tear? | 15:19 |
| bencoh | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tear/trunk/ maybe? | 15:23 |
| bencoh | but that's *old* | 15:23 |
| atk | Well, anything is good, I want to at the very least change some issues I have with it and at best maybe base something new on it. | 15:29 |
| atk | any guide to how on earth developing something for the n900 works? especially the packaging side | 15:30 |
| atk | I can probably work out the API for the graphics stuff | 15:30 |
| * atk has never worked with debian before | 15:30 | |
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| bencoh | atk: have a look a the scratchbox wiki page | 17:21 |
| bencoh | there is a basic guide to debian/maemo packaging | 17:22 |
| bencoh | (not that basic actually, it's pretty good :) | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 19:19 |
| infobot | hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka ~sb | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Packaging_the_application | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing | 19:28 |
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| Arch-TK | I don't need a cross compilation toolchain my distro provides decent packages and I could compile one if I needed to anyway. I was just curious about the packaging side. | 20:16 |
| Arch-TK | But thanks anyway. | 20:16 |
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| Sicelo | clean | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you want to package for maemo? then you are most likely wrong with >>my distro provides decent packages<< | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also generaly recommed that building not getting done on target platform aka N900. If only for the meager RAM you got there | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so frequently you damn sure want a cross compiling environment/toolchain of sorts | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "of sorts" since scratchbox actually does genuine building in an emu environment | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | however when you meant you want to build packages for some non-maemo system on N900, then you're neither interested in scratchbox *nor in maemo packaging*. You rather learn about packaging in context of that other distro | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | after all packaging and package management is what ditinguishes distros one from another most | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maemo packaging is sort of a debian derivative, but significantly different in some details | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing: you're rather interested in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/creating_packages ? | 21:39 |
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| bencoh | 21:29 < DocScrutinizer05> I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway | 23:08 |
| bencoh | ?? | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ??? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should I have said "doesn't know"? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just quoting | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:15] <whitequark> boru: I absolutely loathe using GCC for embedded because of their moronic cross-compilation policy | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:28] <whitequark> there is exactly zero reason to rebuild your compiler just to target a different triple | 23:43 |
| kerio | someone bought arm D: | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | link! | 23:43 |
| kerio | softbank | 23:43 |
| kerio | http://www.wsj.com/articles/softbank-agrees-to-buy-arm-holdings-for-more-than-32-billion-1468808434 | 23:44 |
| kerio | ez brexit | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that changes much, but no bright news anyway | 23:51 |
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