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OksanaFun morning... Picked up 200g of Duratech 0.7mm tin-copper solder (aka lead-free), did not pick up no-clean rosin flux (1. paste, not liquid; 2. not-corrosive, or it says so, but acidity not mentioned), did not pick up no-clean pen-with-flux (1. flux not described, except for being flammable; 2. relatively thick, push-in tip, does not look like thin enough)03:12
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DocScrutinizer05lead-free solder? ohmy03:49
DocScrutinizer05no-clean & rosin is not exactly simple to find, also I dunno why yoz would want rosin flux03:50
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DocScrutinizer05rosin means there will be rosin residue on PCB, which usually means you want to clean the PCB03:52
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OksanaJust was looking for no-clean flux. They didn't have exactly much choice of flux. One of them was rosin no-clean paste flux, another of them was flammable-unknown liquid flux inside flux pen, and there was something called solder paste (tin, silver, copper) in a syringe04:02
OksanaThey did have lead solder, too, but lead does not sound health-friendly04:03
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DocScrutinizer05you want standard 60/40 or 63/37 Sn/Pb solder, with multicore flux, thin04:22
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DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't inhale the fumes, no matter whether Pb solder or RoHS solder, those are mildly toxic. Other than that use good old lead solder and wash your hands after work04:23
DocScrutinizer05honestly starting with lead free solder to learn soldering isn't a wise decision04:24
DocScrutinizer05lead free solder is 5 times as cumbersome04:25
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OksanaOkay, Tin-Copper solder is cumbersome (partially because of higher melting temperature). Doesn't have flux core, also (haven't seen any flux-core solder here). 0.7mm (not 1mm), they had only two choices in thickness. | Tin-based solders readily dissolve gold, sounds unpleasant, but not particularly relevant for microUSB. /relevant for testing pads, though/04:49
OksanaThe two principal types of flux are acid flux, used for metal mending and plumbing, and rosin flux, used in electronics. Due to concerns over atmospheric pollution and hazardous waste disposal, the electronics industry has been gradually shifting from rosin flux to water-soluble flux, which can be removed with deionized water and detergent, instead of hydrocarbon solvents.04:49
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DocScrutinizer05((Tin-based solders readily dissolve gold)) the nature of doing a proper solder joint05:18
DocScrutinizer05tin-based solder also dissolves copper, forming bronze05:19
DocScrutinizer05and it's exactly this forming of alloys that makes the solder jount05:20
DocScrutinizer05dunno where from that second post origins, sounds like a quote05:21
DocScrutinizer05it's inconsistent in itself, since rosin isn't water solzble05:21
DocScrutinizer05and there are even no-clean fluxes that don'T need any cleaning since they either evaporate over time (no-residue) or the residues are negligible. Those contain organic substances and often (metal)salts but usually no rosin / resin05:23
DocScrutinizer05actually the exact formulation of high quality no-clean flux usually is a company asset secret05:24
DocScrutinizer05solder paste is exactly what the name says: solder (tiny balls of it) in a paste consisting of flux. All this and the above is discussed in detail in the three eevblog YT videos I linked you to05:26
DocScrutinizer05solder paste is used for reflow mounting of components. Would be mad useful for the USB jack since you could solder it merely with hot air, without even touching the pins to solder down05:28
DocScrutinizer05you need to clean the pads thoroughly for that, so they are absolutely flush surface, no solder bumps on them. Use desolder wick and soldering iron (with flux! :-D ) for the cleaning05:30
DocScrutinizer05then apply a tiny(!) amount of solder paste, just enough so all pins sit in a solderpaste bed on their pads, then reflow with hot air05:31
DocScrutinizer05when you use too much solderpaste, you'll get shorts between pins just like with using too much solder wire05:32
DocScrutinizer05again see YT EEVBLOG videos05:32
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DocScrutinizer05((The two principal types of flux)) is nevertheless sort of correct - to this point: there's acid based flux of various kinds (liquid mere HCl, solder honey, "welding paste" aka solder cream) used for welding, plumbing etc. And there are several variants of electronic flux. Neither of both will work the faintest in the opposite domain, electronic flux is at best way to expensive for plumbing, and plumbing flux most certainly will damage05:46
DocScrutinizer05your electronic components and PCB beyond all repair (figure HCl)05:46
DocScrutinizer05(dissolves gold) yet all high quality PCB are completely gold plated on all pads, and all are soldered with tin based solder05:53
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Oksana>> sounds like a quote << Source: Wikipedia >> it's inconsistent in itself, since rosin isn't water soluble << They mean the switch from rosin-based flux to these secretive organic fluxes, I guess >> solder paste << well, do not know what kind of flux is in here. Tin-Silver-Copper does sound nicer than Tin-Copper.05:58
Oksana>> YT << Should movgrab them, makes for easier watching /I hope/ >> hot air << local makerspace is not open yet >> when you use too much solderpaste, you'll get shorts << sounds obvious... what to do if the shorts happen? clean the pads thoroughly again?05:58
Oksana>> dissolves gold << I just worry that if something is soldered to gold-plated pad, then de-soldered, the gold goes away with old solder, does it mean the pad would have to be gold-plated again?05:59
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DocScrutinizer05basically you have gold plating to avouid the problems of either black copper which oxidizes, or tin plating which isn't flat06:41
DocScrutinizer05and also oxidizes06:41
DocScrutinizer05and PCB are basically not made to suffer multiple soldering on same pad. When you rework a PCB, gold plating is your least problem06:42
DocScrutinizer05((what to do if the shorts happen? clean the pads thoroughly again?)) yes, unless you can wipe out the shorts with your soldering iron06:44
DocScrutinizer05the latter is easy when you can get to the solder spots with your iron. With USB jack this is a tad difficult to accomplish as you know06:45
DocScrutinizer05(also covered in the EEVblog videos btw)06:45
DocScrutinizer05((>> solder paste << well, do not know what kind of flux is in here))  don't worry about the type of flux in solderpaste, that's even more secret that ordinary good flux. However you may safely assume it's suited for the purpose of solderpaste, which is electronics SMT mounting06:53
DocScrutinizer05that stuff is terribly hygroscopic, so you need to store it in fridge and even then it only lasts 6 to max 12 months06:54
DocScrutinizer05you can use it longer for simple solder tasks where a good bit of water vapor escaping doesn't matter06:55
DocScrutinizer05which it would e.g. for BGA chips etc06:55
DocScrutinizer05and even worse for large pads like LGA06:56
DocScrutinizer05you get so called voids there06:56
DocScrutinizer05basically bubbles in the solder06:56
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: solder paste:
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DocScrutinizer05clean out shorts: (or use solder wick and flux, if you can't just wipe the short out)07:10
DocScrutinizer05when using solderpaste for USBfix, you got the advantage that there are 4 relatively large mech support 'pins' that will stick in the solderpaste to fix the jack in place. Nevertheless you need to be ultracareful to correctly adjust the placement and then not accidentally move the component between adjustment ans got air reflow. Also don't use too high airflow for hot air or you simply will blow the component away07:14
DocScrutinizer05*and hot air*07:15
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Oksana>> need to store it in fridge and even then it only lasts 6 to max 12 months << Doesn't look like shop stores it in the fridge. Anyway, do they have "best before" printed on them? Definitely should check it. Hot air and solder flux sound like something to be found at makerspace, and it will open a week later at best, so not going to hurry with getting solder paste.07:18
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DocScrutinizer05((they have "best before" printed on them?)) should, yes. 6 months is after opening the package. Closed it lasts a tad longer07:23
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DocScrutinizer05also as long as not opened yet, it seems it's tolerable to store outside of fridge07:25
DocScrutinizer05I also wonder if that stuff doesn't last longer when you store in in a jam jar together with an aggressive desiccant07:26
DocScrutinizer05NB you must not freeze solder paste07:27
DocScrutinizer05when there's simply no humidity at all in the air surrounding the solder paste container, how could it possibly absorb any humidity?07:29
DocScrutinizer05vacuum however is prolly also no solution since that might make the liquids in the paste evaporate and paste dry out07:30
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DocScrutinizer05pali: freemangordon:
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Ras_OlderI hope #maemo people weren't in Nizza today :C09:11
Ras_OlderThere has been a terror attack.09:13
DocScrutinizer05ooh shit09:13
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* DocScrutinizer05 hopes for the day when TV and newspapers limit reports about terror to 10 min resp 0.5 pages per day. No other way to stop that shit than to ignore it13:07
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't mean authorities should ignore it, just that the whole purpose of terror is... terror, read fear and panic. And mass media are a vital part in achieving that effect13:10
DocScrutinizer05when I hear politicans' statements "unbelievable, terrible, we're so hurt, this must end" and so on, and those statements sent in infinite loop via TV all day long, I can see terrorists highfiving each other and feeling they had another great success. They achieved exactly what they hoped for. PLEASE stop helping terrorists by excessive focus on their attacks in mass media13:14
DocScrutinizer05compare: mass collision on highway, 30 fatalities, 120 injuries. Reports: one day 2h, then nothing13:16
DocScrutinizer05or a real live example, very obvious: 27 fatalities, it doesn't even show up in TV news anymore, and not a single politician assures Italy "we are at your side in our united fight against >technical defects and/or flawed security policies in public transport<"13:24
DocScrutinizer05the stone age jerk idiocy of striking back when somebody considered weaker hits you, but trying to ignore all bad things you suffer possibly caused by yourself13:26
DocScrutinizer05and to multiply shock and awe, TV replays all reports of former terror attacks of the last 18+ months. Ohmy!13:29
DocScrutinizer05I dunno who's worse, terrorists or TV13:29
DocScrutinizer05for sure they are the perfect team13:30
DocScrutinizer05and the icing on the cace are those dumbasses who produce shit like "terror is not acceptable!" and "say no to terror" - I mean, do you *really* need to say that?13:34
DocScrutinizer05thanks for telling me, I almost thought terror was smart and fine13:35
DocScrutinizer05what do you think i'm talking about?13:40
kerioand yeah it's kinda stupid13:41
kerioi mean, i think that all countries have had their fair share of nutjobs driving13:41
DocScrutinizer05yep, for sure13:42
keriosee for instance
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DocScrutinizer05it's particularly typical how they already agreed on that being a Islamist terror act, not knowing anything about motives and background13:46
DocScrutinizer05mass media and politicians, my ass13:46
DocScrutinizer05of course a headline "TERROR ATTACK!" sells better than "Terrible accident, background unclear yet"13:47
DocScrutinizer05the latter would serve us better, long term, nevertheless13:48
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I thinking13:49
jon_ythis might be a way to completely work around terror13:50
jon_yby simply ignoring it13:50
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: isis might get demotivated when nobody even remembers what it did or stood for :)13:51
DocScrutinizer05yes, since terrorists who can go on to do e.g. internet propaganda are "more valuable" for any terror organization that terrorists dying in a terror attack that nobody even notices13:52
jon_y*isis bombs airport and claims responsibility*13:53
jon_ymedia says13:53
jon_y"naw, its just a gas leak, nothing suspicious at all"13:53
jon_y"nope, no terrorists here"13:53
DocScrutinizer05I don't think spreading lies helps. But simply mentioning it on a sidenote, like "last week another terror act failed, since terrorists only killed 2 people while 5 of them died during the attack. This happened at airport. The damages from the incident will be fixed in two weeks" PERIOD, topic closed13:55
DocScrutinizer05or "another idiot caused airplane delays, by assassinating himself next to terminal C. We're sorry for the inconvenience, businessback to narmal in 3 days"13:57
jon_yI wouldn't be surprised they might completely suppress the news13:57
jon_y"nope, nothing happen, get back in line citizen"13:57
jon_ycan't fear what you don't know even exist13:58
DocScrutinizer05this will inevitably cause massive recoil since you never can hide news, and you trying to do so are new news of their own means13:58
DocScrutinizer05this might work in russia, china or north korea13:59
DocScrutinizer05or turkey13:59
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: true13:59
jon_ytwitter forced the media to reveal the new years incident in Cologne14:00
jon_ybut mostly because twits do not go through review and approvals14:00
jon_ywhat the media could do is disseminate disinformation14:02
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jon_y"There were no explosions. Rumors were spread by irresponsible parties attempting to disturb the peace"14:03
DocScrutinizer05don't get me wrong, I'm feeling sorry for the 80+ (not 30) fatalities in Nice. But I'm honestly not worried at all about my own life, nor am I interested in hearing about the event all day long14:03
jon_yand then round up everyone who says otherwise quietly14:03
jon_yI'm jaded about the news media in general14:03
DocScrutinizer05apropos "explosion", one "eye witness" already claimed in TV interview there was an explosion in context of the Nice incident14:04
jon_yI have already seen a news report blaming Pokemon Go14:05
jon_yprobably got retracted by now14:05
DocScrutinizer05LOL, that sounds scaringly plausible14:05
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jon_ythe news media being news media, not sure what is true anymore14:06
DocScrutinizer05WOOOOOW after 3 hours a reporter in Paris has the brains to say the obvious: "it's still unclear *if* it was a terror attack, or simply some asshole going nuts. No links to terrorism or islamism were found so far"14:10
DocScrutinizer05Hollande: >>France won't stop fight against terrorism<<  Valls: >>terrorsts don't achieve their goals, France won't step back<< You fools! The terrorists already achieved their goals, you just explicitly confirmed that, in saying stuff like this and in what you said and what you plan to do14:19
DocScrutinizer05and who started that whole mess? George DoubleWho Bush, with his idiotic Iraq war14:23
DocScrutinizer05God save America and the whole world when that Donald will be next president14:27
jon_yno sense crying over spilled milk, what is France going to do about the now?14:27
jon_ybuild a wall :)14:27
DocScrutinizer05I hope France is going to do the right thing. Get over it and go on14:28
jon_yoh well, at least Donald isn't a warmonger14:28
jon_ynow the other candidate14:28
jon_yis a warmonger14:28
DocScrutinizer05have nail bands on public meeting areas to stop cars14:28
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jon_ymodern cheavoux de frisse14:29
DocScrutinizer05the other candidate? Hillary?14:30
jon_yshe wants to go bomb some more14:30
jon_yand possibly drag Russia into a proxy war14:31
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DocScrutinizer05possible, tbh I haven't heard much of her program yet#14:32
DocScrutinizer05Trump however is completely nuts and unpredictable. Somebody stating he will pay the lawer and trial costs for those of his fans who go bash up some opponents... go figure14:34
DocScrutinizer05or did he say "shoot them"?14:34
DocScrutinizer05In Germany he'd do time in jail just for this statement14:35
jon_ywell, American free speech laws sure are different14:36
jon_ythen again, he never explicitly condoned violence, so you can't nail him for incitement14:36
DocScrutinizer05afaik he did14:37
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DocScrutinizer05and re war with Russia I think he's also not shy14:37
jon_yhe already said he's willing to work with russia to calm down the middle east14:38
jon_yI get the feeling Putin and him respect each other14:38
DocScrutinizer05yeah, both nuts14:39
jon_yat this point, everyone is nuts :)14:39
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DocScrutinizer05LOL. Siva David: "We shall sit on the baby, or something"15:26
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KotCzarnyproblem is, media is dismissing the nationality/connections of the attackers in case they are muslim etc16:22
KotCzarnyso its the other way round, its already hiding under the carpet16:23
jon_yit breeds rumors, spreading like wildfire16:26
jon_yare you going to do the stasi thing and imprison people for spreading rumors?16:27
jon_yand then everything was justified as hatespeech, the world is mad16:28
jon_ymaybe one day, everyone will be guilty of something16:29
jon_yon a secret national dirt list16:30
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jon_yyep, you're on the list somewhere :)16:34
DocScrutinizer05F.Z. explained that Joe's Garage was about the concept that everybody needs to get guilty of something, so equality in society is preserved16:34
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* DocScrutinizer05 ... the white zone is for loading and unloading only ... if you have to load or unload, go to the white zone ...16:35
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zGrrterror is nothing new to europe.16:48
zGrrwe just had 25+ relatively quiet years.16:49
jon_ythe Goliath crawling bomb makes a come back :)16:49
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DocScrutinizer05the terror 25+ years ago was from an incredibly small group of european weirdos who actually had a however screwed society change perspective and usually a very clear target of upper class resp government members. They hoped for something 'realistic': change the society. - Nowadays terrorism became a sport for 1000s of religious fanatics that really have no concept at all (if you dismiss the bullshit of "kill all infidels" and that 7017:19
DocScrutinizer05virgins idiocy, as well as the sinister motivations of the spin doctors who drafted that pile of nonsense17:19
jon_yas far as I can see, they're exporting angry unemployed males17:20
jon_yhopefully they bother the west rather than them :)17:20
DocScrutinizer05I think they even RE-export them17:20
KotCzarnyjon_y: nope. ban islam (its a religion of hate (of anyone who isnt muslim)), make immigrants assimilate to the culture they are coming to17:21
KotCzarnyim not against people, im against hate17:21
jon_ythat is one way17:21
KotCzarnyone and only way17:21
jon_ywhats a young man adrift at life to do?17:22
jon_yjoin a cause!17:22
KotCzarnyislam is not a peaceful religion, its 'join us or die'17:22
jon_ynow pick a cause that conforms to your world view :)17:22
DocScrutinizer05ohmy, back when we smoked grass and made love17:22
KotCzarnyand thats not just a speach figure, they kill people (youtube is full of brutal beheadings etc)17:23
jon_yperhaps humanity is not meant to be peaceful, the last decades were free from major wars17:23
jon_ya young man's gotta make something of himself or die trying17:23
DocScrutinizer05please understand that this has NOTHING, *absolutely* ZILCH to do with religion17:24
KotCzarnystill, western minds are full of lies, so they are not innocent17:24
KotCzarnydont get me wrong17:24
KotCzarnybut at least they dont kill you outright17:25
KotCzarny(for not falling down to pray to illusionary friends)17:25
jon_ythats because the west has humanism17:25
DocScrutinizer05try burglaring or breaking my door!17:25
jon_ynobody else do humanism17:26
KotCzarnyjon_y: buddism?17:26
DocScrutinizer05you'll learn about "not going to kil you outright"17:26
jon_yKotCzarny: how common is Buddhism?17:26
KotCzarnyjon_y: not common in the west, common in the east17:26
jon_ynot really common in the East either17:26
jon_ynot anymore anyway17:27
DocScrutinizer05honestly could we stop discussing religions?17:27
DocScrutinizer05as if ISIS was about religion17:27
DocScrutinizer05you could use any other nonsensical distinction criterion to create a "we vs them" and achieve exactly the same effect17:29
jon_yhugs and rainbows aren't helping17:30
DocScrutinizer05they are white and we are green, they read from right to left and whe top down17:30
DocScrutinizer05they are men err pigs and we are women17:30
DocScrutinizer05they are rich and we are poor17:31
DocScrutinizer05I could go on for hours17:31
jon_ynah, too politically incorrect17:31
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DocScrutinizer05for ISIS alike idiot clubs? nothing is faintly politically incorrect enough for those17:32
DocScrutinizer05imagine the vacuum in their skulls!17:32
KotCzarnysay what you want, they massacre people17:33
jon_ytbh, I'm starting to see it in KotCzarny's way17:33
KotCzarnyand thats what counts17:33
KotCzarnynot all talkytalky in the western media17:33
jon_yits not hate or anything17:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm sure that hurts so terribly you need really strong 'medicine' to silence that pain17:33
jon_yjust a chore, to clean house17:33
jon_ysomething to keep the peace perhaps, even for awhile17:34
KotCzarnyban islam,its bad17:34
DocScrutinizer05what the F are you talking about?17:34
DocScrutinizer05you are bad17:34
KotCzarnymuch worse than scientology17:35
KotCzarnythough those folks arent angels either17:35
jon_yits simply something politically incorrect17:35
DocScrutinizer05ban *all* religions, they are all identically nonsensical17:35
KotCzarnybut scale is different17:35
KotCzarnypeople are spiritual, for some reason, religions just abuse it17:35
zGrrbaning religion never worked.17:36
KotCzarnyzgrr: germany banned scientology17:36
zGrrit made things far worse.17:36
DocScrutinizer05a spiritual person will understand that this is a thing that happens in their mind and only there, and nobody else has a saying17:36
zGrrit was tried many times in 20th century.17:36
DocScrutinizer05those 'religious' people are just lazy17:37
KotCzarnybut still, religions abuse people17:37
DocScrutinizer05or stupid, or both17:38
zGrrthere are terror groups. history shows that there were typicaly foreign governments behind them.17:38
zGrrsupplying terrorists with weapon, money and logistics.17:38
zGrri believe it is the same this time.17:38
DocScrutinizer05zGrr: you can't ban religion, just like other drugs. But you don't need to legalize it17:39
jogathe stupid and hopeless will be exploited by evil and hopeless17:39
zGrrsoviet union was the major supporter of terror. everywhere - europe, middle east, asia.17:39
zGrrwhen soviet union collapsed things got quiet.17:40
zGrr... for the time being.17:40
DocScrutinizer05until Putine (SIC) invented new big Russia17:40
zGrrhe could be behind at least some of it. there are also other states supporting terrorists.17:41
DocScrutinizer05but Al Qaida and ISIS and the other associated shit clearly got instantiated by doubleWho's Iraq war17:41
DocScrutinizer05idiocy par excellance17:42
zGrrdo you remember attacks in cologne?17:42
zGrrsome people say, it was organized by syrian services and executed by shabiha.17:43
zGrrand it doesnt seem that unlikely.17:43
DocScrutinizer05what for? to stop immigration or what?17:43
zGrrfinnish police searched syrian refugees and they found derogatory german phrases transliterated in arabic alphabet.17:44
DocScrutinizer05when this was a TLA action, it was a pretty stupid one17:44
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zGrrit worked.17:45
DocScrutinizer05again, what for?17:45
zGrrcreated chaos and fear.17:45
zGrrwhat was stupid, was massive german coverup of events.17:45
DocScrutinizer05conspiracy theory17:46
zGrrsome serious counterinteligence is necessary.17:46
zGrryes, it is conspiracy theory.17:46
zGrrbut if you have thousands of people attacking plus some events in other cities and countries at the same time, it implies some coordination.17:48
DocScrutinizer05those events clearly were organized and coordinated. But I dare to say it's not at all easy to spot the culprits17:48
zGrrand if there is coordination, there must be conspiracy of some sort by definition.17:48
DocScrutinizer05I'd not even rule out German Geheimdienst, or Pegida17:49
zGrri dont see refugees as economic problem.17:49
zGrrit is psychoogical problem.17:49
zGrrand europe doesnt have refugee policy.17:49
zGrrif it has, it is incredibly stupid one.17:49
DocScrutinizer05you remember the track of refugees trying to cross border from Greece direction northwest. They all had fliers counterfeit signed "Norbert Bluem" iirc. Hardly it was a secret service activity, but either left idiots or even right idiots17:50
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zGrreurope has big problem of islamic insurgency among european muslims17:51
zGrrbut it can be worked out.17:52
DocScrutinizer05I'm all on same page with you that Europe has no plan and policy for immigration, neither recent nor long term. And Bangladesh will take another 10 to 20 years until finally flooded by rising seas17:52
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zGrrif the governments continue to do nothing it will only get worse and you are going to have massive attacks against minorities and will create huge problems with right-wing insurgency.17:53
zGrrpossibly bigger problem with more serious implications for the continent than islamic terrorism itself.17:54
zGrrattack in nice was failure of the police.17:54
zGrrthere could be far less victims if they implemented physical barriers preventing speeding car hiting the crowd.17:55
zGrrthey have such preventive measures in the UK.17:56
DocScrutinizer05(Bangladesh) then you don't have a 5 or 10 million refugees from Syria, you have a 160 Million that *must* find a new place to literally stand the ground17:56
zGrrthey have even software and geodatabase to set the bariers up for mass events.17:56
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DocScrutinizer05(barriers) what I said a 6h ago17:57
zGrrit does not prevent car hitting the crowd, but it prevents from hitting with such speed and devastation.17:57
DocScrutinizer05nail bands17:58
DocScrutinizer05roll across street in seconds17:58
zGrri dont know, but they have efective solutions17:58
jogayou can never really stop someone from causing harm no matter the barriers you set up17:58
jogawould be more effective removing the cause to do harm, but heh, easier said than done with all the conflicts and hate around the world17:59
DocScrutinizer05you also hardly can stop anybody from kicking somebody in the head17:59
zGrrbut it will limit the harm dramatically. there would be far less victims.17:59
joganah then they would just steal a nuke next17:59
jogadesperate people will use desperate measures anyway, if needed18:00
DocScrutinizer05sorry that's nonsense18:00
DocScrutinizer05that guy was prolly a single person going nuts, and he hardly could steal a tank, not to think of a nuklear weapon18:01
jogayeah, him, sure18:01
DocScrutinizer05he wouldn't have known what to do with one when you delivered it to his home18:01
zGrrwhatever. they should start preparations how to respond to massive muslim insurgency.18:01
jogabut should all countries go into super defense mode, the people who want to do harm would up their game somehow18:02
zGrrwhich is increasingly possible.18:02
KotCzarnystill, eu wants to have nannynazi state similar to the one in us, and spreading fear is one way to authorize it18:02
DocScrutinizer05again, don't call thoise idiots muslims, they aren't18:02
jogathey're crazy and mislead18:02
KotCzarnythey use islam as a tool18:02
KotCzarnyand they get their own idiots to use18:03
DocScrutinizer05they are as much muslims as ku kluks klan is katholic18:03
zGrrit doesnt matter who they are. it is important to prevent them from doing too much harm.18:03
KotCzarnyislam brainwashes their victims with fear of being cast out18:03
jogaextremists are sickening no matter the crap they believe in18:03
KotCzarnyso they will do what being told18:03
jogayou mean like extremist christian sects?18:04
KotCzarnyevery extremism is bad18:04
KotCzarnyand there are a lot of badness in the world18:04
KotCzarnyand .eu is being actively stirred18:04
KotCzarnywe will see when and what comes out of it18:04
zGrrworst terrorists are the governments. and you cant just stop the governments from doing harm to civilians in other countries.18:09
zGrrnot that easily.18:09
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