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DocScrutinizer05I wasn't aware of
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bencohquite old though :)14:27
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DocScrutinizer05LOL! tesla stocks -3%14:35
keriowhat happened14:38
HurrianSomeone drover under a semi truck trailer14:39
infobotHurrian meant: Someone drove under a semi truck trailer14:39
Hurrianoh cool, that still works14:39's that related to tesla14:39
DocScrutinizer05fatal accident14:39
kerioi'm pretty sure i can do that with a regular car14:39
DocScrutinizer05tesla's autopilot didn't discern whide side of trailer from sky14:40
Hurrian...while on Autopilot14:40
Hurrianyeah, that's why people are making a huge deal out of it14:40
KotCzarnyhe he14:40
keriothe highly beta software that you're supposed to be real wary of, that automatically disables itself if you interact with the steering wheel manually?14:40
HurrianI mean, technically you're supposed to pay very close attention while AP's on, but seeing how many people upload vids of "Autopilot while asleep!!!!1111!!" on YouTube...14:41
keriois it even called autopilot14:41
kerioi thought it was called autosteering14:41
Hurrianand yeah, they actually called it Autopilot14:41
KotCzarnypeople are stupid14:41
Hurrianlulls you into a false sense of security...14:41
Hurrian@kerio: Autosteer is the automatic-driving part of Autopilot, Autopilot is the whole suite of auto-features you pay ~$2500 (???) for14:42
DocScrutinizer05this incident will sufficiently cure that14:42
kerioi'm siding with tesla on this one14:42
Hurrianso uhh, while most of the chassis slid under the trailer, the cockpit didn't, resulting in a decapitation... nasty14:43
KotCzarnymust be hell of a ride14:44
Hurrianwhile yeah, I think the driver's at fault here (and he really is - the car's not Level 4/5 autonomous...), IMO we really shouldn't be calling it Autopilot unless it has a Google-style LIDAR suite14:44
KotCzarnybut it's a case which points out a bug in their software/hw anyway14:45
Hurrianit's definitely a corner case of the sw/hw.14:45
KotCzarnyso yes, imo its a tesla's fault14:46
Hurrianlane keeping is not too hard to do - heck, freaking Ford has it in my 2015 Everest.14:46
Hurrian...handling corner cases like that is the _really hard_ part14:46
KotCzarnybut you pay premium for those features, right?14:46
KotCzarnynot to be a beta tester14:46
Hurrianthe whole premise of a Tesla's to put down $LOTS_MONEY$ to be a beta tester14:47
KotCzarnyTesla reiterates that customers are required to agree that the system is in a "public beta phase"14:47
KotCzarnyand that the system was designed with the expectation that drivers keep their hands on the wheel and that the driver is required to "maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle."14:48
KotCzarnyso yeah, driver was at fault too14:48
HurrianI loved driving in a Model S (and even got to take a P90D for a spin!), but being on the bleeding edge is really Tesla's greatest strength _and_ weakness14:49
KotCzarnydid you try ludicrous mode? ;)14:49
Hurrian(on a closed track of course! didn't want to get pulled over on US 101 ;) )14:49
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: lane keeping? toys do that, with a "computer" made of two phototransistors and two analog amps14:51
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: heh, I remember my first line-follower robot ;)14:52
KotCzarnyi guess tesla did their lane keeping with photodiodes too14:52
Hurrianat the end of the day, I'm a believer in the electric drivetrain as the future for cars, just not too sure that the "smart" car is too14:54
KotCzarnyno human as a driver == full control of traffic14:55
HurrianI want a boring car, that looks as ordinary as a Corolla, but has a battery and motor and I can idle it in the garage without choking the crap out of everyone14:55
KotCzarnyand our civilisation is going in the direction of full control (assuming we dont kill ourselves before)14:55
HurrianCan manufacturers _please_ do this without making an egg-on-wheels (Prius, Leaf)14:55
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KotCzarnyyou want modular car14:56
HurrianKotCzarny: at that point, I'd rather take a subway - also electrically driven, and way more efficient than everybody getting their own cars ;)14:56
KotCzarnybut subway doesnt go everywhere/everytime14:57
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jon_yI bet your subway doesn't do cross country :)15:24
KotCzarnyit's called railway ? ;)15:24
jon_yor allow you to get on/off anytime15:25
KotCzarnyif you are agile enough..15:25
jon_ypublic transport is such a joke at some places15:25
jon_ythere are no bus/trains15:25
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ceenejust jump around :)15:26
jon_ylastly, the train station might be too far away, so you'd drive there anyway15:27
jon_yand compounded by the lack of carparks, you might as well drive all the way15:27
KotCzarnynow THAT you would call fuel efficiency ;)15:27
KotCzarnyi wonder what they do if they need to do #1.. or #2 ;)15:28
ceenejump into the roof of a moving car, i guess15:29
jon_yCar Surfing15:29
jon_y(along with insurance fraud)15:30
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KotCzarnyi think charging liion doesnt depend on capacity but on voltage19:14
KotCzarnydoh, wrong chan again19:14
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Sicelook .. sometimes one can think he knows something, until he meets someone who actually knows something .. gawd! never been in the company of so many geeks in my life (@ debconf). i feel like an ant20:49
L29Ahgo bite someone20:50
Siceloit's great. enjoying myself20:53
stryngsSicelo: Your in cape town?21:08
KotCzarnysicelo, ask them about systemd21:10
KotCzarny(and duck quickly)21:10
KotCzarnystryngs: you're21:10
L29AhKotCzarny: are you21:11
Sicelostryngs: yes21:11
KotCzarnyl29ah: am i?21:11
SiceloKotCzarny: there's a talk about it :) will attend to hear, haha21:12
KotCzarnysicelo: grab fish'n'chips, beer, good seating and enjoy then ;)21:12
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Siceloso this temp. battery is settling at 920mAh .. am a bit disappointed, but much better than the sub 800mAh I had. getting new batteries in a day or two21:16
KotCzarnyhow one can disable osk in terminal ?21:22
Siceloi dunno if you can disable it selectively?21:23
Siceloosk -> vkb?21:23
KotCzarnyif i slide out the kb its disabled, but i wonder if there is a cmdline trick to disable/reenable osk21:23
KotCzarny(related: i've just added mouse support to ncurses interface in oscp)21:24
KotCzarny(which even works over ssh)21:28
KotCzarnyi know21:29
KotCzarnyamazing what little change could do21:29
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KotCzarnywhat was the screenshot shortcut?21:37
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KotCzarnyhrm, tmo mangled the screenshot21:44
KotCzarnyhow do i attach png without resizing?21:44
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sixwheeledbeastI never needed to resize for TMO before22:29
KotCzarnyswb: maybe its settable in userprofile somewhere..22:31
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