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| freemangordon | Pali: https://github.com/freemangordon/linux-n900/tree/v4.7-rc5-n900 | 00:43 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: For entering numbers? :-P Seriously, the row of digits above the top row of letters is not always a substitute for the digits on the numeric keypad because some things specifically use the keys on the numeric keypad, such as entering a character by entering its code point while holding AltGr or selecting the camera in a simulation of a vehicle, such as in (the) Microsoft Flight Simulator, or the script I have to control the camera in the third- | 10:13 |
| brolin_empey | person view in Quake III: Arena, or to have greater control of direction of movement, such as in SkiFree. | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | what about wsad? :P | 10:13 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: WASD is a substitute for the inverted-T arrangement of arrow keys, not a substitute for the numeric keypad. WASD/inverted-T arrow keys allows only 90 degress of change of direction. The numeric keypad allows 45 degrees. | 10:18 |
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| KotCzarny | only if you dont map qezxc too | 10:23 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: A numeric keypad on a computer with an integrated hardware keyboard is kind of like rear side doors on a car: both things are useful but cannot easily be added later if you initially decide you do not need them. Would you question my choice to replace my car with only 2 side doors with a car with 4 side doors if you personally do not use the rear side doors? Yes, replacing the integrated keyboard on a notebook computer to add an integrated | 10:33 |
| brolin_empey | numeric keypad may technically be possible if you care enough but buying the product whose designer intentionally removed a useful integrated hardware feature sends the wrong message. | 10:33 |
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| KotCzarny | i only use it for gaming (roguelikes) and nothing else really | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | so its a matter of personal preference | 10:36 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Some applications use a hardwired keymap instead of loading keybindings from a file redd at runtime. | 10:37 |
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| KotCzarny | in linux you can map any key to anything | 10:39 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Anyway, you said that ThinkPads have an overlaid numeric keypad but I was discussing fanless notebook computers that have a proper integrated display. The ThinkPad model you proposed that can run without a fan (X40?) has a TN AMLCD panel, not a proper AMLCD panel such as IPS or VA. | 10:42 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah. but as i said, its a matter of personal preference, for me its just enough | 10:47 |
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| L29Ah | i love TN for its energy efficiency | 12:15 |
| L29Ah | too bad there aren't transflective displays for common laptops | 12:16 |
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| kerio | IPS \o/ | 12:38 |
| merlin1991 | IPS? | 12:41 |
| kerio | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPS_panel | 12:43 |
| kerio | the lcd panels that have colors that look good :3 | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | for a console, occassional googling i can live with tn | 12:55 |
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| Sicelo | re - battery issues. it did calibrate :) 12% gain. will see what happens in the current cycle | 13:23 |
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| KotCzarny | manual or re | 14:53 |
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| L29Ah | Oksana: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/alsa.pc | 15:24 |
| L29Ah | ? | 15:24 |
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| Oksanaa | L29Ah: Thank you! :-) It was a matter of installing libasound2-dev | 15:25 |
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| erlehmann | so my n900 does not recognize its modem anymore | 16:01 |
| erlehmann | what do | 16:01 |
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| erlehmann | so again | 16:06 |
| Oksanaa | hot air or something?.. not sure | 16:06 |
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| erlehmann | my n900 fails telephony forever ;_; | 16:06 |
| Oksanaa | well, if you have good enough wifi coverage, sip would be enough? | 16:06 |
| Oksanaa | or attack usb modem stick externally | 16:07 |
| L29Ah | i'd bake its motherboard in an oven, and bought a new one if it fails | 16:07 |
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| Oksanaa | do take battery out first! | 16:08 |
| L29Ah | i afraid the usb connector will die tho | 16:08 |
| erlehmann | the USB connector is fine. | 16:08 |
| Oksanaa | and I would not wish to microwave the camera | 16:08 |
| erlehmann | Oksana, i need 2G / 3G coverage and telephony | 16:08 |
| erlehmann | L29Ah, do i have to bake? how long? can you give instructions? | 16:09 |
| erlehmann | it seems like a mechanical issue. the phone started to act up weird when it was very hot during the last few days. | 16:09 |
| erlehmann | and lost connection repeatedly | 16:09 |
| erlehmann | i remember the n900 of my ex gf did not boot properly during chaos communication camp as it was too hot. | 16:09 |
| erlehmann | these phones really have a problem with temperatures | 16:09 |
| Oksanaa | Ouch... How much did bnf report? I have seen 46°C in the sun, and had no problems | 16:10 |
| erlehmann | bnf? | 16:11 |
| erlehmann | we found out later that my ex gf left her phone in the tent | 16:11 |
| erlehmann | if i recall correctly, DocScrutinizer05 flashed it repeatedly and it crashed minutes after booting several times | 16:12 |
| erlehmann | after the camp it worked again, lol | 16:12 |
| erlehmann | so, heat | 16:12 |
| erlehmann | but really it is temperature changes | 16:12 |
| Oksanaa | bnf is neat app, which reads battery temperature as part of displaying battery status | 16:13 |
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| erlehmann | L29Ah, why do you think usb will fail in oven? extrapolate your onions. | 16:15 |
| L29Ah | erlehmann: actually now i watched a couple of videos where ppl bake x86 motherboards and the plastic stuff stays intact | 16:16 |
| L29Ah | but it still feels kinda risky | 16:16 |
| erlehmann | why bake at all? | 16:17 |
| erlehmann | if it became unstuck, couldn't i just, like, fix it with glue or springs or so? | 16:17 |
| Oksanaa | Very long thread: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-36447.html | 16:18 |
| Oksanaa | Reboot, reflash, try different celltowers, insert lots of paper... | 16:19 |
| erlehmann | it is surely a hardware error | 16:19 |
| Oksanaa | Different solutions for different cases. And yes, insert lots of paper is spring-like "solution" for the problem | 16:20 |
| L29Ah | because baking can weld the cracks of the solder joints of varios smd components found on the motherboard | 16:21 |
| L29Ah | and afaik the modem is just a separate chip on the mb | 16:22 |
| erlehmann | ah | 16:23 |
| erlehmann | the point is it is not the sim card | 16:24 |
| erlehmann | because the error occurs even when the card is not in | 16:24 |
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| Oksanaa | The motherboard itself separated (partially) from modem-chip? Paper or hot air might help, either way | 16:29 |
| * Oksanaa wishes there was a side by side comparison of pros and cons of hot-air and microwave-oven | 16:30 | |
| bencoh | 16:24 < erlehmann> because the error occurs even when the card is not in | 16:30 |
| bencoh | what kind of "errors"? | 16:30 |
| bencoh | you mentioned telephony/connection thus far | 16:30 |
| erlehmann | error is that on boot a popup comes that all telephony is disabled even emergency services calls | 16:30 |
| erlehmann | and then on start of maemo desktop the same comes up | 16:31 |
| bencoh | then how is it not related to modem? | 16:31 |
| bencoh | (and/or sim) | 16:31 |
| erlehmann | it is related to the modem, but not to the sim card | 16:31 |
| erlehmann | you are supposed to be able to call emergency services even without a sim card | 16:31 |
| bencoh | ah, because even emergency calls are disabled, okay | 16:31 |
| bencoh | could still be the modem then | 16:31 |
| erlehmann | and i took it out and the error is the same | 16:31 |
| erlehmann | yes, that is what i assume | 16:32 |
| erlehmann | how can i diagnose? is there logfile somewhere? | 16:32 |
| bencoh | hmm .... with syslog installed and a reboot, maybe | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~springfix | 16:39 |
| infobot | rumour has it, springfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1243160#post1243160 and http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 16:39 |
| infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for baking you want to remove camera and domesheet | 16:40 |
| Oksanaa | NtEd build dependencies so far: g++(-4.2), gcc(-4.2), gettext, libasound2-dev, libpango1.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libgtk2.0-dev (versions are annoying) | 16:40 |
| Oksanaa | Camera is fragile /never tried it personally, though/ | 16:40 |
| erlehmann | thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 16:43 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, does it work reliably? | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | baking? no warranty of any kind. highly risky | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | springfix is reported to work for a few months usually | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forget paper and the like# | 16:45 |
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| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, a few months would be nice. | 17:26 |
| erlehmann | i do not have much money. looking for a job currently. | 17:26 |
| erlehmann | on the off chance someone here knows someone … http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/about/cv.html | 17:27 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, what would you suggest besides “source other n900 replacements from your friends who stopped using them” ? | 17:32 |
| erlehmann | in before neo900 | 17:32 |
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| erlehmann | it really is so nice to have apt-get and x11 and stuff :/ | 17:33 |
| _maniac_ | ~tabletsdev | 17:33 |
| infobot | from memory, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | used N900 in good condition on ebay are ~50EUR | 17:33 |
| _maniac_ | thank you kind infobot. | 17:34 |
| infobot | bitte, _maniac_ | 17:34 |
| erlehmann | ok | 17:34 |
| erlehmann | thx | 17:34 |
| _maniac_ | infobot: ~combined | 17:35 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: actually I still dont find those on ebay | 17:35 |
| _maniac_ | ~combined | 17:35 |
| infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 17:35 |
| bencoh | haven't checked for some time, but .... | 17:35 |
| erlehmann | my ex gf has one and my brother has one. | 17:35 |
| bencoh | in europe at least I dont see many for 50e | 17:35 |
| erlehmann | the one from my brother has some charging problems | 17:35 |
| bencoh | (I bought mine 2.5y ago for 75 iirc) | 17:36 |
| _maniac_ | well, rip. both links for latest 1.3.1 combined image are dead. | 17:36 |
| erlehmann | kek | 17:36 |
| bencoh | those are mirrored | 17:36 |
| erlehmann | _maniac_, wait | 17:36 |
| erlehmann | i have | 17:36 |
| _maniac_ | yeah, but mirrors that infobot gave me are dead. | 17:36 |
| bencoh | hmm, maybe not this specific image version but still | 17:36 |
| erlehmann | _maniac_, bencoh http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 17:37 |
| _maniac_ | I have RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin want to have 2011 one | 17:37 |
| _maniac_ | ok, thank you erlehmann | 17:37 |
| bencoh | _maniac_: I dont think there is any difference if you use CSSU in the end | 17:37 |
| erlehmann | i will save it in the wayback machine now | 17:38 |
| erlehmann | happy to help | 17:38 |
| _maniac_ | bought n900 again after using featurephones for a year. | 17:38 |
| _maniac_ | and I heard there are some certificate shenannigans that require that latest image. | 17:38 |
| _maniac_ | (yeah, I am aware about setting date back to 2009 to overcome some of them) | 17:39 |
| bencoh | _maniac_: iirc those changes were backported to CSSU | 17:39 |
| Sicelo | and actually were implemented in CSSU before Nokia released that image :) | 17:41 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, can you tell the bot that ~combined is at http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ ? | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal combined | 17:44 |
| infobot | "combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/" | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined is also http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 17:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal combined | 17:44 |
| infobot | "combined" is "the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/" | 17:44 |
| erlehmann | thanks obama! | 17:45 |
| erlehmann | :D | 17:45 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, why? because the web is a papyrus scroll of burning paper. we need to transcribe faster than it burns. | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I just did a rewrite on fireproof steel | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 17:46 |
| infobot | hmm... lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 17:47 |
| infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 17:47 |
| infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/, or http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, stll no truncation | 17:48 |
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| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05, thank you for all your work. if we ever meet again, let me invite you to a drink or something. :) | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | way more critical than the combined and vanilla files are mirrors of the Nikia base repos | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~muarf | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos | 18:13 |
| infobot | well, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm feeling a tad reluctant to set up a mirror for those | 18:13 |
| bencoh | there are a few other mirrors already :) | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but as said above, they are more critical than the fiasco files of which there must be 4 dozen copies available in the internets | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess eventually I have to learn how to set up a mirror | 18:17 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: it has been archived by archive.org | 18:21 |
| bencoh | there a few public mirrors | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the repo? hardly | 18:21 |
| bencoh | yes they have :) | 18:21 |
| bencoh | mirrors.muarf.org/maemo has been, actually :) | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | URL or it didn't happen | 18:22 |
| bencoh | http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Maemo#N900_.28Fremantle.29 | 18:22 |
| bencoh | https://web.archive.org/web/20141124063939/http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/ | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 18:29 |
| ceene | i try to maintain one myself too | 18:30 |
| ceene | http://maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ | 18:30 |
| ceene | i need to setup https for that thing | 18:31 |
| erlehmann | why? | 18:32 |
| erlehmann | packages are signed or not? | 18:32 |
| ceene | why not? | 18:32 |
| ceene | they are signed with an expired key | 18:33 |
| erlehmann | can you re-sign them? | 18:33 |
| ceene | i don't know | 18:33 |
| ceene | i don't see the point, though | 18:33 |
| bencoh | dont think we should | 18:35 |
| bencoh | actually I wonder if there would be a difference if it was signed by an unknown key | 18:35 |
| bencoh | if not then we have a real security issue | 18:35 |
| bencoh | I hope it actually checks the sig even if key expired | 18:36 |
| erlehmann | come on | 18:37 |
| erlehmann | if you would check a sig | 18:37 |
| erlehmann | would you bother checking further if it expired? | 18:37 |
| erlehmann | that's like efficiency 101 | 18:37 |
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| erlehmann | (i have not looked up if it did) | 18:37 |
| ceene | what's the point of expired keys, anyhow? | 18:37 |
| ceene | i mean | 18:37 |
| ceene | would you trust my mirror more or less if it were signed by me, who you don't know who i am with a valid signature? | 18:38 |
| bencoh | erlehmann: what's "wrong" with an expired key? | 18:38 |
| ceene | or would you trust it more being signed with nokia's expired key? | 18:38 |
| bencoh | ceene: the latter | 18:38 |
| ceene | so do i | 18:38 |
| bruce_lee | \(^_^)/ @all, trust? nokia is now part of microsoft... | 18:39 |
| bencoh | :)) | 18:39 |
| bencoh | indeed | 18:39 |
| erlehmann | hmm | 18:39 |
| erlehmann | microsoft, who embed telemetry into your applications via their compiler | 18:39 |
| bencoh | oh? that's funky | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:42 |
| KotCzarny | good times, community is more trusted than corpo ;) | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the key issue is a lost case, and nothing we could do | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, I think they signature is check(sum)ed even when the key is expired | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, set your system time to 1970 ;-) | 18:45 |
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| Sicelo | if while running `traceroute` command , the reply is "!C" .. what does this mean? | 19:50 |
| Sicelo | context : i have n900 connected via vpn, as well as my home computer. computer can ssh into N900 without issue. but N900 cannot contact computer at all. no incoming firewall at the computer. traceroute on N900 stops with the above info | 19:52 |
| xelo | Sicelo: from manpage: "!C (precedence cutoff in effect" | 19:55 |
| xelo | ) | 19:56 |
| Sicelo | i did check man apge .. didn't see that :) | 19:56 |
| Sicelo | anyway, what does that even mean, haha | 19:56 |
| xelo | I have not the slightest idea | 19:56 |
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| xelo | Precedence Cutoff In Effect Sent by a router when receiving a datagram whose Precedence value (priority) is lower than the minimum allowed for the network at that time. | 19:57 |
| xelo | Source: http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_ICMPv4DestinationUnreachableMessages-3.htm | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | getting more and more fancy :) | 19:58 |
| xelo | Are you sure you want to proceed? ;) | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | NO | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | :) | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | i wouldn't mind too much if computer couldn't reach N900. i presently really need N900 -> PC to work | 20:00 |
| xelo | do you require the vpn? | 20:08 |
| L29Ah | 16:30:01]* Oksanaa wishes there was a side by side comparison of pros and cons of hot-air and microwave-oven | 20:11 |
| L29Ah | i wasn't talking about a microwave oven | 20:11 |
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| L29Ah | and i'm quite sure it would kill the device | 20:11 |
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| KotCzarny | microwave oven? lol | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | that would be awesome ;) | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | dont forget to grab it on camera ;) | 20:15 |
| Sicelo | xelo: yes, i do | 20:17 |
| xelo | is some fancy ssh-reverse tunneling possible? | 20:19 |
| Sicelo | i might have to do that as a last resort (just there are a number of hosts/ports that i wished to access) | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | xelo: yes | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | -L and -R | 20:23 |
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| bencoh | Sicelo: missing route, most probably, I'd say? :) | 22:38 |
| bencoh | and/or mangled packet that pass through NAT when they shouldnt | 22:39 |
| Sicelo | route is there. ip route get IP shows that the networking is looking for it through the vpn interface | 22:40 |
| bencoh | routes both ways ? | 22:41 |
| Sicelo | not sure i understand you : PC => N900 works. N900 => PC doesn't | 22:42 |
| bencoh | isn't PC behind NAT? | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | both N900 and PC are behind NAT | 22:43 |
| bencoh | where does your vpn sits? | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | vpn is on a public server that i can access from both N900 & PC. the connection establishes perfectly on both | 22:43 |
| bencoh | ah | 22:44 |
| bencoh | openvpn? | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 22:44 |
| bencoh | PC running linux? | 22:44 |
| bencoh | (or any *nix) | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | :) | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | yes, of course | 22:45 |
| bencoh | then I'd check openvpn conf, then network/iptables conf on PC | 22:45 |
| bencoh | openvpn has a few fancy options | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | i use exactly the same config on N900 and PC | 22:45 |
| Sicelo | same openvpn version too | 22:45 |
| bencoh | server conf | 22:46 |
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| Sicelo | bencoh: yes, server config good too .. almost same as the clients | 22:52 |
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| bencoh | well there has to be something ... tcpdump on both sides ;) | 22:55 |
| bencoh | did you check iptables as well? | 22:55 |
| Sicelo | the iptables is confusing :p (server is not mine ... i just have root) | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | tcpdump does not 'see' any packets coming in | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | traceroute has that !C thing which doesn't really help | 23:03 |
| Sicelo | but with the iptables, there's nothing specific "against" the PC's IP. since PC=>N900 works, i would assume it's reasonable to assume iptables isn't my problem | 23:05 |
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| Sicelo | wut! just worked now .. nothing changed in config at all | 23:14 |
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| Sicelo | and traceroute doesn't have that !c thing anymore. | 23:16 |
| * Sicelo shrugs | 23:16 | |
| Oksanaa | L29Ah: Thank you, I must have been half-asleep to read "bake in an oven" as something related to microwave oven | 23:29 |
| * Oksanaa wonders what "Unknown EABI object attribute 34" means | 23:30 | |
| Oksanaa | NtEd is beautiful, but more broken than navit's gtk gui | 23:37 |
| * Oksanaa will have to get rid of functionality errors first, appearance second | 23:38 | |
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| Oksanaa | It seems that there is alsa module snd_seq_midi missing? | 23:44 |
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