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| Sicelo | i know this is possibly a bad question in this chan :p | 00:27 |
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| Sicelo | is there something similar to `patchage` for pulseaudio? which can make connections between audio sinks and sources for you? | 00:27 |
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| Linkandzelda | is python 2.5 the only version i can use for maemo dev? | 16:24 |
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| bencoh | we have some higher versions in extras-devel, but .... | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | random systemd bugreport: running a cronjob for user XY *creates* a stale symlink ~XY/.local/share/systemd/user | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now figure this cronjob was a rsync job doing a sync of the user's homedir, where the user is only owning this shared dir and not supposed to ever log in interactively | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF systemd??!! | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/48973407 | 17:03 |
| Sicelo | it would apppear that all distributions will go systemd eventually, except may be those designed particularly against it (e.g. Devuan) | 17:06 |
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| KotCzarny | or where maintainers arent 'everyone is doing it so we must do it too'-drones | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | but keeping to 'do one thing, but do it perfect' | 17:15 |
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| Sicelo | maybe someone has to make a fork that gets the best bits of systemd, and the best of sysv :) | 17:25 |
| KotCzarny | erm, and which are the 'best bits' ? | 17:30 |
| KotCzarny | remember, if you simply want your os to boot quick, then disable unneeded services and enable parallel booting, or just use tux-on-ice (also known as swsusp2) it's that simple | 17:31 |
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| KotCzarny | otherwise it's just overcomplicating things that are simple into abomination taking over your system | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aka Devuan | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-08 Sun 14:42:31] <nextime> it isn't us blocking systemd, is systemd blocking us to adopt it :) | 17:50 |
| kerio | how often are you booting your fucking computer that makes boot time such an issue | 17:51 |
| kerio | maybe you should work on the cause of your constant reboots | 17:51 |
| kerio | like the fact that you can't fucking restart dbus-daemon | 17:52 |
| kerio | because otherwise you need to restart everything that uses it | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | i reboot my n900 usually after every few battery empty messages | 17:52 |
| kerio | btw can someone explain to me why it's so hard to get a tarball of an installed linux system | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | because uboot? | 17:55 |
| kerio | no no, an amd64 install | 17:55 |
| KotCzarny | just grab longsleep bare image | 17:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at kerio and suspects he's talking to an invisible (to DocScrutinizer05) source | 17:57 | |
| kerio | i'm talking to myself | 17:57 |
| kerio | i've been spoiled by freebsd | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so lemme answer: *I* am booting my fscking computer maybe 2 to 3 times a year, and boot time is a total non-issue to me | 17:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: indeed | 17:58 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, amd64, not arm64. | 17:58 |
| kerio | like, i understand that maybe it's a bit more of an issue for embedded | 17:58 |
| kerio | but... | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually servers see reboots less frequently | 17:58 |
| kerio | servers aren't rebooted nearly often enough | 17:59 |
| kerio | uptime is a measure of how unsure you are that everything will start up properly :> | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm up 44 days 15:43 - seems I has a kernel update, the only legitimate reason for a reboot | 18:00 |
| kerio | but still, is sync boot really much slower than the sort of async crap that upstart/systemd do, especially on a single-core machine? | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: some startup scripts have sleep commands in them | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | thats why its so slow on sync boot | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, my sysv-init did async startup since ages | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least as option, which I never cared about | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I can't even tell if it been used or not | 18:01 |
| kerio | anyway, my question stands | 18:02 |
| kerio | why can't i just download "the debian tarball" and unpack it in a directory to have a complete rootfs | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | also, it seems that systemd is just a disease introduced as a cure-it-all pill | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, you're sort of doing this for maemo | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, because updates | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as a huge number of other embedded devices | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | and because netinstall | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | also because modularity | 18:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: freebsd does it for i386 and amd64 | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yast (Opensuse) basically also does it for a number of defined default configs, then applying deltas on top of that to exactly match your individual setup | 18:05 |
| kerio | "basically" is what upsets me | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically each .rpm and .deb is a tarball | 18:06 |
| kerio | debian is also "basically" doing that, if by "basically" you mean that the base system is a huge amount of udebs | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | kerio, but you are overcomplicating | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | just install one susyem | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | system | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | then tar and untar on another machine. done | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just about granularity of config you can have | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | but i prefer rsync over tar | 18:07 |
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| kerio | KotCzarny: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/10.3-RELEASE/ | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're asking for (A B B D E F), standard is (A) (B) (C) (D) (E) (F), and e.g. Suse does (ABCDE) (F) | 18:08 |
| kerio | base.txz is literally a tarball of the freebsd / | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/A B B/A B C/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: you're asking for (A B C D E F), standard is (A) (B) (C) (D) (E) (F), and e.g. Suse does (ABCDE) (F) | 18:08 |
| Sicelo | containing which packages? | 18:08 |
| kerio | base isn't packaged | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Suse even might do (ABCDEFG) - (G) | 18:09 |
| ceene | i've installed debian many times on a virtual machine just to tar the whole rootfs and install that on a slower machine, or a machine with bad connectivity | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | i do the same if i get new machine | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | just rsync os without /home | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | (regenerating keys etc later) | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think live DVDs do a simple copy instead of tarball extract | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you use the "install this Live system as permanent OS" feature | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, sorry | 18:12 |
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| kerio | also, why the hell doesn't linux ps support "d" | 18:17 |
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| KotCzarny | # ps d | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | error: unsupported option (BSD syntax) | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | it refuses to support it ;) | 18:20 |
| kerio | like | 18:21 |
| kerio | you've got a thing that outputs a list of processes | 18:21 |
| kerio | it doesn't seem farfetched to add a tree view to it | 18:21 |
| kerio | instead of requiring a separate program | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | To print a process tree: | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | ps -ejH | 18:21 |
| KotCzarny | ps axjf | 18:21 |
| ceene | ps faux | 18:22 |
| ceene | is the one i like | 18:23 |
| KotCzarny | i usually use: ps axwwu | 18:23 |
| kerio | ps auxwwdJ0 | 18:24 |
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| kerio | because otherwise there's way too much crap | 18:24 |
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| Vajb_ | question about jabber. In which server i should register? Newest or closest or totally irrelevant? | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | why not both? | 19:31 |
| Vajb_ | well it seems im not too familiar of how it works... | 19:32 |
| Vajb_ | i thought it is like facebook or something that there is only one place to register etc | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | i think its more like local server hubs talking to each other | 19:33 |
| KotCzarny | ie. kind of irc structure | 19:33 |
| Sicelo | you need only register on one server, and yes, irc is the best analogy | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | you can even have own server | 19:34 |
| Vajb_ | but they are all connected to each others? | 19:35 |
| Sicelo | you will be able to talk to people on other servers, unless one of the involved servers is private | 19:35 |
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| KotCzarny | you have id@domain right? | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | domain part is the id of the server | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | and they can connect users together if needed | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | pick the one you trust | 19:36 |
| Vajb_ | and how do i tell my whatsapp friends what to do if there is too many choices :p | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | see id@domain part | 19:36 |
| Vajb_ | ah that'll be "me" shown to them? | 19:37 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: if they are on completely different domain, Vajb_ can talk to them | 19:37 |
| Vajb_ | i guess i'll go by newest software | 19:37 |
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| Sicelo | jabber/xmpp is federated, unless someone has explicitylt decided to make their server private | 19:37 |
| Vajb_ | plus security grade | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, yes, that's what i meant 'servers talking to each other by domain' | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | also, google talk is also using xmpp/jabber network | 19:39 |
| Sicelo | not anymore. they went private | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, pity | 19:40 |
| Vajb_ | yes i was thinking of google talk as alternative | 19:40 |
| Vajb_ | but thought it wont work because google | 19:40 |
| Sicelo | facebook was also standard xmpp, decided to go proprietary too | 19:40 |
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| Sicelo | Vajb_: try google .. it works for some, but you have to ensure you add your friends, particularly if they are on android/hangouts | 19:41 |
| Vajb_ | well rather not | 19:41 |
| Vajb_ | im looking for alternative for longer time | 19:42 |
| Sicelo | IRC :) | 19:42 |
| Vajb_ | if it is owned by some big blahblah u never know... | 19:42 |
| Vajb_ | no irssi for android :( | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: not true | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | if you root your device you can ssh to it and run on screen | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:43 |
| Sicelo | lol? why irssi? | 19:43 |
| Vajb_ | well wasn't visible in galaxy apps when my gf checked | 19:43 |
| Sicelo | there are many irc clients for them | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | but it wont be battery friendly for sure | 19:43 |
| KotCzarny | your best bet is to use mosh + irssi on screen somehwere | 19:43 |
| Vajb_ | yeah i guess some im client is better | 19:44 |
| Sicelo | i don't even get why it has to be irssi? | 19:44 |
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| Vajb_ | well it is just something i trust :) | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | vajb, irssi, bitchx, epic | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | depends on your initial poison | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC has webchat :-) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so literally everybody can use it, as long as you got a browser that can do what the webchat needs | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also creating multiuser chats is as simple as it gets: just join a random channel of your choice | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | invite people: send http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ourleetechannel | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really convincing people never been simpler | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no strings attached | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 you're free to use a decen IRC client like xchat | 20:39 |
| kerio | "good" LUL | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O ? | 20:42 |
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| joga | shell irc: still Just Works, unlike any of the other so-called better IM solutions :p | 21:06 |
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| joga | if I had an android/iphone I'd try Signal perhaps | 21:07 |
| joga | with friends/family or so, but it's not the same anyway as irc | 21:07 |
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